Prophet Steve
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Preview is usually not a complete build though, you can't make a review of a small portion of a game.
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Angry Joe gets called out by IGNs review editor for misquoting their Titanfall review
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Preview is usually not a complete build though, you can't make a review of a small portion of a game.
DrGonzo615
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It is a legitimate gripe, but not one to start a Twitter beef about for sure.
So yes, Joe is in the wrong but its such a tiny moot point that IGN looks like asshats for making such a huge deal about it.
So yes, Joe is in the wrong but its such a tiny moot point that IGN looks like asshats for making such a huge deal about it.
I'm not, by any means, a fan of IGN, but I agree with this.
This is how I feel about it. Angry Joe was wrong in the first place, but it was completely ridiculous of Stapleton to jump in there out of nowhere and start some shit.
Exactly!
Or a review score I heard on a gaming podcast before, you should get the game in this order from worst to best:
ignore it
rental
bargain bin
used copy
new copy
YianGaruga
Banned
As I said, the 1-10 scale is stupid and unnecessary. I prefer the 1-5 scale, but a lot of sites use 1-10 for whatever reason. It's pretty much the same if you know how to interpret it.
While a 7/10 isn't a good score, it definitely sounds better to a publisher than a 2/5. I guess that's the reason for it.
Not to defend IGN, because they deserve a lot of criticism on their own (and haggling over .1 is pretty dumb), but no they aren't.
And this Joe dude comes across pretty badly. He turns into name calling/personal attack guy pretty quickly.
I'm not sure about that.
With pre-orders being such a huge deal in gaming circles, previews also help decide whether or not readers buy the games. Writing an insane preview where you basically fall down and worship the unfinished game needs to be called out as well.
I don't give a shit about IGN, not in positive nor in negative. I don't need to hate IGN to realize that Dan guy acted like a whiny brat on twitter for something minuscule and absolutely debatable.
Its usually closer to first impressions than a review, though.
Teletraan1
Banned
Name calling on twitter is fine. It is not a forum with rules. If some asshole wants to engage you on twitter with some redic nonsense. Put them on blast. If IGN, an actual company had issue with Angry Joe a Youtube personality who imo does not have to be professional at all they should have contacted him privately rather than go after him on twitter expecting some cordial exchange. At the end of the day IGNs review editor's actions reflect on IGN. Angry Joe's actions reflect on Angry Joe. How he conducts himself on twitter is his own business, if he wants to weaken or strengthen his own brand then whatever. Not so much when you work for someone else.
chickdigger802
Banned
id agree with most games, but titanfall is definitely one of those games that playing 1 match at a preview kinda pretty much sums up the whole gameplay for better or worse.
The amount of blind hate in this thread is really sad. Neither of them handled this particularly well, but Angry Joe is still in the wrong here.
InfiniteUnrest
Member
I don't hate IGN. I visit their site almost daily. I like it, I don't love it, but I like it. That said, they are clearly in the wrong. They are the professionals in this situation, and acted most unprofessionally over something they are not even right about.
The "preview" in question is a preview of their review. It's published as a work in progress towards their final review, and that makes it fair game here.
I hate IGN.
Then again, I like Stapleton from his earlier PC Gamer days (I have a soft spot for all the PCG employees from the EIC Whitta days).
In the long run, if you take this as a warning that the archaic point system is damn near useless then you have a null argument because the point system has always been useless (although, I side more with Stapleton that the delineation has to occur somewhere regardless of how arbitrarily it's located). If you take this as an analysis of discourse over the internet, then clearly Angry Joe is in the wrong with his needless name calling and repeated manchild shouts of "FAIL." If you take this as a lesson in journalistic integrity, then Ryan McCaffrey looks bad for writing such a hyperbolic preview AND Joe looks bad for misquoting.
Then again, I like Stapleton from his earlier PC Gamer days (I have a soft spot for all the PCG employees from the EIC Whitta days).
In the long run, if you take this as a warning that the archaic point system is damn near useless then you have a null argument because the point system has always been useless (although, I side more with Stapleton that the delineation has to occur somewhere regardless of how arbitrarily it's located). If you take this as an analysis of discourse over the internet, then clearly Angry Joe is in the wrong with his needless name calling and repeated manchild shouts of "FAIL." If you take this as a lesson in journalistic integrity, then Ryan McCaffrey looks bad for writing such a hyperbolic preview AND Joe looks bad for misquoting.
AmethystEnd
Member
I prefer 10 point scales to 5 point scales, but to fucking call someone out on the difference between 8.9 and 9.0?
I'm with Joe here. I know it's not the only thing he's being called out on, but dear fucking christ.
I'm with Joe here. I know it's not the only thing he's being called out on, but dear fucking christ.
But the general opinion is that Titanfall gameplay is exceptional, but overall lacking on content.
So, it would makes complete sense why the preview is hyperbolic and explosive, while the final review is slightly more subdued.
What's the difference in quality between 8.7 and 8.5? Please do tell me.
"It has slightly better particle effects than the other game, I'll give it a 0.1 more!" Really?
How in the Nine Hells could you judge a game on a 1-100 scale putting it perfectly in its place, especially when even the most objective reviews involve a degree of subjectivness in themselves.
As I said previously, both acted childish. But the name calling was just too much.
This.
Regardless of what the reviewing scale standards are in IGN and in the industry, Joe is either being ignorant or disingenuous of how the 10.0 scale is used by reviewers and perceived by readers. Dan here is right in that the .1 matters here, since it's a cutoff grade in IGN's grading scale, and .9 or .0 grades are intentionally made by reviewers to make that distinction. Whether or not Joe disagrees with that process, if he doesn't understand how review scales work on a big site like IGN, then perhaps he should do that first before talking about it in his videos.
Still a review for that bit though. A review is an evaluation so even if it isn't the final build you are still evaluating the bit you got to play. That's why I can technically it could be classed as one even though we've come to accept that reviews only cover the final build.
Thanks I was trying to dig up the preview
The difference been an 8.7 and an 8.5 is that one makes your website's name show up sooner when scrolling down a Metacritic page
LSauchelli
Member
I don't think the issue is with the score. Joe claimed that the other reviews don't criticize the campaing, and this is false. So, that's false representation right there.
It was funny that he thought that by 'campaing' the IGN editor meant the ads and stuff, especially considering it was his main point in his own review.
It was funny that he thought that by 'campaing' the IGN editor meant the ads and stuff, especially considering it was his main point in his own review.
DragonSworne
Banned
Excellent .point
Playing the final version of Titanfall isn't going to be a different experience then what they played during their preview. That's just the nature of games like Titanfall.
Wishmaster92
Member
Aww hiss
Motha
Fuckin
0.1 decimal
Gj ign, gj.
Motha
Fuckin
0.1 decimal
Gj ign, gj.
Semantics at this point, but even your argument there acknowledges each are different.
Fox Mulder
Member
I'm for anything that highlights how stupid a 10 point scale with decimal points is.
arguing over .1 in a review score is a joke.
Holy shit IGN, calling out Joe for highlighting your score as part of the other 9s and 10s when it's a .1 difference is... astounding. What world am I living in?
As much as I think Joe shouldn't have resorted to name calling, Stapleton certainly seemed to deserve it for being so passive aggressive and making this public in the first place. Way to be unprofessional on behalf of your company, Stapleton. Fantastic image you've painted of your company.
As much as I think Joe shouldn't have resorted to name calling, Stapleton certainly seemed to deserve it for being so passive aggressive and making this public in the first place. Way to be unprofessional on behalf of your company, Stapleton. Fantastic image you've painted of your company.
What it really comes down to is Angry Joe is upset that other game reviewers don't value a game's worth in the same way as he does.
Joe's review of Titanfall was pretty embarrassing overall. It's perfectly fine for him to think that the game doesn't really give you a lot of shit for your $60, but his rant about other reviewers not sharing his same values was poor form.
prag16
Banned
The argument on twitter was idiotic all around. There isn't one idiot.
Joe clearly showed the 8.9 from IGN on the screen; the "9s and 10s" comment was general. What Joe said was slightly misleading, (regarding preview/review), sure, and some of his ranting was over the top, however the IGN reaction was childish and passive aggressive as fuck.
Devilgunman
Member
Agree. It doesn't fucking matter what the definition is, 8.9 and 9.0 is still only 0.1 different and it shouldn't have any significant meaning out of it. Dan is clearly making a fool of himself and possibly embarrassing his entire organization.
crazygambit
Member
I agree he shouldn't have used the word review and instead should have just say IGN's coverage of the game, since the point here is that they're trying to distance themselves from their previous comments and it's absolutely fair not to let them and call them on it.
If you say stuff like "believe the hype" when covering a game, even if it does not represent a game's final judgement (and I'd say especially in that case), you don't get to say that you've been critical of the game because you only gave it 8.9.
I'm really sick and tired of these wonderful previews full of praise that don't translate to the full game (and I'm not talking about Titanfall here). It's almost as if there were something fishy going on behind the scenes.
As someone who actually watched angry's video, when he said believe the hype, and then talked about the review scores I didnt automatically associate it with the review, but with the simple fact that it was said. IGN should be less concerned that someone might think IGN said it in their review, but should be concerned how they said it and that they actually said it. Saying it in a preview is actually worse then saying it in a review, so I dont see the benefit from actually arguing this, it just makes IGN look even worse. As for angry, he has never been good in confrontation, so it isnt a shock to me that he responded like he did, unless angry is prepared he gets quite flustered. I actually like Titanfall but the IGN preview stuff was sickening, and reminding us that they were doing that before they even reviewed the game is quite frankly something they need to shut the fuck up about, and not remind everyone.
Imbarkus
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Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Thread title should be changed to IGN Splits Hairs between 8.9 and 9.0
Suddenly there are so many purchases I regret, a 7.9 must mean it's an average game. My god, what have I done?
prag16
Banned
This is the bigger takeaway here for me. Heaps of glowing prerelease coverage followed up by meh scores... it's a phenomenon that happens way too often. In the case of titanfall, at least the final scores were good (even if not living up to the prerelease hype machine).
