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[DeaviL]

Rather: some of the "hardcore" crowd want the Wii U to fail, because they are still salty that a non-HD machine - the Wii won last generation hands down.

There is a sort of obvious small truth to this, just look for the posts in Wii U threads where people say that Nintendo deserves to be punished.

Punished for what? Servicing casuals of course.

Spoiler

There was a great joke post about this earlier in the thread.

Not to say that those few are causing the Wii U to fail everywhere, there's just no interest.
Maybe we'll see some decent numbers on Kart and Smash, but that's it.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I think it's less that it's non-HD and more that they went for the "casuals." It's understandable to see how that soured a few people, but to want to see a company actively fail for spending resources on a crowd that you're not a part of is just lunacy.

Yeah, and the motion control/bring in the casuals strategy failed in the long term so there's really no reason for people to want Nintendo to fail because of that. I'm glad that proved to be a fad, but I'd like to see Nintendo do well focusing on core games. And I say that as someone who is burnt out on there games and will probably never buy another Nintendo system. Variety is good for the market.

The other reason I think some hope they fail is that they like some of their games, but not enough to justify buying their hardware. So they'd like to seem them go third party. Also not me as I just don't care about their games anymore.

 

[FLAguy954]

Ok while the Wii U is flopping pretty horrendously, this is pretty nuts. It'll get to 12 million comfortably unless it's replaced in 2015. Smash and Mario Kart will carry it to that pitiful number, but i'm fairly confident it'll at least get there.

The way the Wii U console sales are trending, they are selling way less than 200,000 a month GLOBALLY. 12 million is a laughably impossible number.

 

[Jamix012]

The way the Wii U console sales are trending, they are selling way less than 200,000 a month GLOBALLY. 12 million is a laughably impossible number.

I'm obviously not talking about annuals, but if you really think 12 million is impossible LTD, then I don't know what to say.

 

[SaviorX]

I'm obviously not talking about annuals, but if you really think 12 million is impossible LTD, then I don't know what to say.

12m is lowball, but I don't really expect more than 15 million.
Nintendo has managed to lose ~85% of their userbase in one generation flat with the Wii U....think about that for a sec.

The console has literally no appeal, and the "AAA" games it does have don't do anything that hasn't already been done by the Wii, at a cheaper price.

 

[Jamix012]

12m is lowball, but I don't really expect more than 15 million.
Nintendo has managed to lose ~85% of their userbase in one generation flat with the Wii U....think about that for a sec.

The console has literally no appeal, and the "AAA" games it does have don't do anything that hasn't already been done by the Wii, at a cheaper price.

What is there to think about? I realise this already. I'm not here to defend the Wii U like some people seem to think I am. I predicted 14m in the other thread.

 

[AstroNut325]

It is exactly because Nintendo isn't competitive that their console is failing.

They don't compete on price, both hardware and software.
They don't compete on functionality, both in system OS nor Online functionality.
They don't compete on third party support.

Not only that, but they have some batshit ideas when it comes to region locking, online purchases and with the way generally they treat their customers.

To reduce it to "People want Nintendo to fail" is nothing more than a childish persecution complex. Nobody has a problem with a competitive Nintendo as the SNES era showed.



Ridiculous tripe.

This. Brand loyalty is clouding people's judgment.

 

[domlolz]

the wii u has more games worth playing than either of the other two next gen consoles(combined?) but has probably been outsold by both by now or will be soon. its a shame. guess nintendo really messed up with marketing

 

[Anth0ny]

It is exactly because Nintendo isn't competitive that their console is failing.

They don't compete on price, both hardware and software.
They don't compete on functionality, both in system OS nor Online functionality.
They don't compete on third party support.

Not only that, but they have some batshit ideas when it comes to region locking, online purchases and with the way generally they treat their customers.

To reduce it to "People want Nintendo to fail" is nothing more than a childish persecution complex. Nobody has a problem with a competitive Nintendo as the SNES era showed.



Ridiculous tripe.

This is a great post that describes exactly how I feel.

 

[theprodigy]

wow, there sure are a lot of deluded people that think gamers at large are out to get Nintendo or something
lol

 

[Hoo-doo]

It is exactly because Nintendo isn't competitive that their console is failing.

They don't compete on price, both hardware and software.
They don't compete on functionality, both in system OS nor Online functionality.
They don't compete on third party support.

Not only that, but they have some batshit ideas when it comes to region locking, online purchases and with the way generally they treat their customers.

To reduce it to "People want Nintendo to fail" is nothing more than a childish persecution complex. Nobody has a problem with a competitive Nintendo as the SNES era showed.



Ridiculous tripe.

Thank you. Great post.

If there are some people out there that want Nintendo to fail, it's because they feel Nintendo needs a swift kick in the rear to start actually competing again. What they are currently offering is not good enough and the market seems to agree.

 

[Lernaean]

No matter what, the WiiU is my most played console for 2013 and 2014.
And anyway, aren't you tired posting to the same thread with a different title week after week for years now? The WiiU sells like crap, we get it, now let's make a thread when/if it starts selling ok, just for a change.

I also got news for you, XBOX One hasn't even sold 5 mil to customers worldwide yet and it's sales are falling by the week. PS4 sells abysmal in Japan, so does Vita everywhere.
Where are the weekly threads for all those? I only see WiiU threads, oh! and those 'Vita Godmode' threads when it sells more than 20k in Japan.

GAF is a gaming forum. We should be celebrating the fact that Nintendo, no matter how much they screwed up regarding hardware and account system, have brought us the past 2-3 years more top quality games than any other publisher in any console. Nintendo is in a very weird point of it's history, when they are maybe in their worst situation financially since many years ago, but at the same time releasing one great game after another.

This is not the WSJ forums, a lot of us don't care how much something sells as long as you can run it and it plays good, yet there are more sales threads than game appreciation threads.

Really guys, ask to have a 'WiiU sells like crap' thread, make it a sticky, make sure it stays open and shoot all your vitriol there. At least we'll know which thread to avoid and we won't have one with a different title every 4 days. Conspiracy theories aside, it seems like some of you actually enjoy watching Nintendo having a hard time.

 

[RobFox64tm]

I love my Wii U, so this is heartbreaking to say the least, but Nintendo needs this right now to show them where they need to improve.

I really think they should re-purpose Wii U hardware into an infrastructure that spans both their next portable and console lines, shares the same games and is dirt cheap for consumers. Nintendo is beyond the point where they can share the same space as Sony and Microsoft, so they need to offer a significantly better value, especially with their staunch refusal to compete on a technical level.

 

[Neff]

People on NeoGAF are really, really weird about Wii U.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

No matter what, the WiiU is my most played console for 2013 and 2014.
And anyway, aren't you tired posting to the same thread with a different title week after week for years now? The WiiU sells like crap, we get it, now let's make a thread when/if it starts selling ok, just for a change.

I also got news for you, XBOX One hasn't even sold 5 mil to customers worldwide yet and it's sales are falling by the week. PS4 sells abysmal in Japan, so does Vita everywhere.
Where are the weekly threads for all those? I only see WiiU threads, oh! and those 'Vita Godmode' threads when it sells more than 20k in Japan.

GAF is a gaming forum. We should be celebrating the fact that Nintendo, no matter how much they screwed up regarding hardware and account system, have brought us the past 2-3 years more top quality games than any other publisher in any console. Nintendo is in a very weird point of it's history, when they are maybe in their worst situation financially since many years ago, but at the same time releasing one great game after another.

This is not the WSJ forums, a lot of us don't care how much something sells as long as you can run it and it plays good, yet there are more sales threads than game appreciation threads.

Really guys, ask to have a 'WiiU sells like crap' thread, make it a sticky, make sure it stays open and shoot all your vitriol there. At least we'll know which thread to avoid and we won't have one with a different title every 4 days. Conspiracy theories aside, it seems like some of you actually enjoy watching Nintendo having a hard time.

You do not need to enter these threads if you having this reaction. Don't do this to yourself buddy.

 

[Lernaean]

You do not need to enter these threads if you having this reaction. Don't do this to yourself buddy.

This reaction? Please point any part of my post where i was being hyperbolic. The WiiU has great games, it sells really bad, we have 1-2 threads about it's sales per week ever since it was released and people forget to post doom threads about the other consoles that are struggling. How was my reaction and what did i got wrong?

 

[mo60]

wow, there sure are a lot of deluded people that think gamers at large are out to get Nintendo or something
lol

I don;t want to name people, but this general doom and gloom stuff has probably scared people from the WiiU. I don't think it's possible to fix the negative momentum trend the WiiU is in right now and nintendo will be fine in the long run.At least I can enjoy the console before nintendo decides to release a new one.

 

[mo60]

This reaction? Please point any part of my post where i was being hyperbolic. The WiiU has great games, it sells really bad, we have 1-2 threads about it's sales per week ever since it was released and people forget to post doom threads about the other consoles that are struggling. How was my reaction and what did i got wrong?

The PS4 is only struggling in Japan and it will stay that way until next year most likely, but the PS4's situation won't improve like crazy in that country The xbox one is struggling mostly in the europe, but it is doing well elsewere.

 

[Wickerbasket]

This reaction? Please point any part of my post where i was being hyperbolic. The WiiU has great games, it sells really bad, we have 1-2 threads about it's sales per week ever since it was released and people forget to post doom threads about the other consoles that are struggling. How was my reaction and what did i got wrong?

Are you serious? There's a post called "Why Playstation Vita isn't a success" on the front page.

We're a hardcore gaming forum filled with people who like to discuss gaming; we're going to talk about everything gaming related, including how well and how bad certain gaming systems are selling.

If you don't want to read about your favourite system selling worse than the Gamecube then don't click on those threads.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Uh why should they hold back from moving on for a fanbase that isn't significant enough to keep the console afloat. Its time to let go.

Burning bridges like that sure worked out for Sega.

What's the point of cutting the cord and resorting to a new console if they don't address their biggest issue? (marketing.)

WiiU is an appealing console, but branding and incompetent marketing have hurt it tremendously.

 

[Miles X]

Burning bridges like that sure worked out for Sega.

What's the point of cutting the cord and resorting to a new console if they don't address their biggest issue? (marketing.)

WiiU is an appealing console, but branding and incompetent marketing have hurt it tremendously.

But that isn't WiiU's problem, gees consoles don't sell this bad because of marketing ...

It's been said a thousand times before and it's the only logical explanation but if you wanna go over it again, the WiiU's problem is it doesn't appeal to core/gamers for obvious reasons and it doesn't appeal to casuals because a myriad of reasons, most of all not being the unique, accessible, fresh new it thing the Wii was.

 

[Version 3.0]

This reaction? Please point any part of my post where i was being hyperbolic. The WiiU has great games, it sells really bad, we have 1-2 threads about it's sales per week ever since it was released and people forget to post doom threads about the other consoles that are struggling. How was my reaction and what did i got wrong?

The quality of games is subjective. Personally, I'm not impressed. I think Nintendo's output, though still good, is probably the worst it's ever been. I buy most of their games, as I always have, but I just don't get that "Nintendo magic" feeling much these days.

Wii U's reception is not subjective. They screwed up in just about every way possible with the Wii U.

 

[daxgame]

I think it's less that it's non-HD and more that they went for the "casuals." It's understandable to see how that soured a few people, but to want to see a company actively fail for spending resources on a crowd that you're not a part of is just lunacy.

Not really, actually. If it it weren't for the Wii, my wife wouldn't give a fuck about gaming.
Today, thanks to that, she plays her Smash Brothers just as fine as her Wii Fit.

So I don't really find anything understandable, and I guess "salty" is the right word here.
Salty that their private elitist garden has been intruded and devs dedicated resources to stuff like Just Dance, probably.

 

[Lernaean]

The PS4 is only struggling in Japan and it will stay that way until next year most likely, but the PS4's situation won't improve like crazy in that country The xbox one is struggling mostly in the europe, but it is doing well elsewere.

That's what i said too 'in Japan' and actually the X1 struggles everywhere that isn't USA or (partly) UK, except ofc if what you call 'elsewhere' is only USA.

Let's not hide behind our finger here. The PS4 doesn't do well in Japan because there are no games that interest that market yet and also because that market cares little about console gaming anyway compared to the past. The PS4 has won this gen already, there's little to say about that.

The X1 sold to it's primary market, from now on it's gonna be very slow for it. People in the USA preferred it for obvious reasons and the rest will go with the more powerful multiplatform machine, it's simple as that.

The WiiU doesn't sell because the market does not care about Nintendo games anymore. Nintendo games are now a niche market and i think it will stay that way. The times when gaming meant Mario vs Sonic and Street Fighter vs KoF is over, now it is CoD vs BF, and Nintendo will never again sell to the same piece of the market pie it used to. The sooner we and Nintendo and the journos get it, the better it will be for all of us.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

But that isn't WiiU's problem, gees consoles don't sell this bad because of marketing ...

It's been said a thousand times before and it's the only logical explanation but if you wanna go over it again, the WiiU's problem is it doesn't appeal to core/gamers for obvious reasons and it doesn't appeal to casuals because a myriad of reasons, most of all not being the unique, accessible, fresh new it thing the Wii was.

I do think they would have appealed to other groups aside from the Nintendo fanbase (parents, children) if they had better marketing. It's the cheapest next-gen, HD console on the market, and only one with BC currently. They should have aggressively played this up during Xmas, along with its TV features. Instead it's in a situation now where people don't even know it exists, or think it's a Wii add-on.

I can't imagine this not playing a huge role in its lackluster numbers.

 

[eighty(one)]

No matter what, the WiiU is my most played console for 2013 and 2014.
And anyway, aren't you tired posting to the same thread with a different title week after week for years now? The WiiU sells like crap, we get it, now let's make a thread when/if it starts selling ok, just for a change.

I also got news for you, XBOX One hasn't even sold 5 mil to customers worldwide yet and it's sales are falling by the week. PS4 sells abysmal in Japan, so does Vita everywhere.
Where are the weekly threads for all those? I only see WiiU threads, oh! and those 'Vita Godmode' threads when it sells more than 20k in Japan.

GAF is a gaming forum. We should be celebrating the fact that Nintendo, no matter how much they screwed up regarding hardware and account system, have brought us the past 2-3 years more top quality games than any other publisher in any console. Nintendo is in a very weird point of it's history, when they are maybe in their worst situation financially since many years ago, but at the same time releasing one great game after another.

This is not the WSJ forums, a lot of us don't care how much something sells as long as you can run it and it plays good, yet there are more sales threads than game appreciation threads.

Really guys, ask to have a 'WiiU sells like crap' thread, make it a sticky, make sure it stays open and shoot all your vitriol there. At least we'll know which thread to avoid and we won't have one with a different title every 4 days. Conspiracy theories aside, it seems like some of you actually enjoy watching Nintendo having a hard time.

 

[AstroNut325]

Burning bridges like that sure worked out for Sega.

What's the point of cutting the cord and resorting to a new console if they don't address their biggest issue? (marketing.)

WiiU is an appealing console, but branding and incompetent marketing have hurt it tremendously.

No it isn't. Like ThoughtsOfSpeaking posted... Nintendo doesn't compete in the console industry with hardware, OS, online or multimedia features. And they are not making games that are desired by the masses of casuals or the masses of hardcore gamers. So why am I being forced to purchase hardware for a few worthwhile exclusives? No amount of marketing is going to solve this issue.

 

[Version 3.0]

WiiU is an appealing console, but branding and incompetent marketing have hurt it tremendously.

No, it isn't. It's a trainwreck of a console. Branding and incompetent marketing I agree with, but the main problem is that the Wii U is an awful product, designed to appeal to no one. Developers hate it, for the most part, and its support from that community is abysmal. The Wii audience doesn't get it, if they notice it at all. The bulk of the "gaming" audience sees no value in a machine that's roughly equivalent to 7- and 8-year-old consoles. Its gimmick isn't worth the added price it carries.

It's a mess. If I were going to specifically design a console to fail in the marketplace, it would be very similar to the Wii U.

 

[Grief.exe]

PS4 sells abysmal in Japan, so does Vita everywhere.
Where are the weekly threads for all those? I only see WiiU threads, oh! and those 'Vita Godmode' threads when it sells more than 20k in Japan.

I will say, the Japanese tend to be a very hit oriented market.

Currently, both the XBO and PS4 really don't have any compelling titles available. The Japanese will hop on once something compelling is released.

 

[LegendofLex]

Yeah, and the motion control/bring in the casuals strategy failed in the long term

More like it was aborted before it reached the long term. Wii was doing fine until the end of 2010, when they stopped making games for it and announced Wii U. (Even before that, the motion control/expanded audience strategy was never advanced beyond Wii Sports Resort/Fit Plus in 2009.)

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

No it isn't. Like ThoughtsOfSpeaking posted... Nintendo doesn't compete in the console industry with hardware, OS, online or multimedia features. And they are not making games that are desired by the masses of casuals or the masses of hardcore gamers. So why am I being forced to purchase hardware for a few worthwhile exclusives? No amount of marketing is going to solve this issue.

Because they make hardware from the ground up for their games and the experience just wouldn't be the same if they put their software on other hardware.

As for casuals, yes there is more competition, but the WiiU should still fill the family console niche nicely. Provided parents knew of it and kids saw the ads.

 

[Tookay]

Please point any part of my post where i was being hyperbolic.

Okay:

No matter what, the WiiU is my most played console for 2013 and 2014.
And anyway, aren't you tired posting to the same thread with a different title week after week for years now? The WiiU sells like crap, we get it, now let's make a thread when/if it starts selling ok, just for a change.

I also got news for you, XBOX One hasn't even sold 5 mil to customers worldwide yet and it's sales are falling by the week. PS4 sells abysmal in Japan, so does Vita everywhere.
Where are the weekly threads for all those? I only see WiiU threads, oh! and those 'Vita Godmode' threads when it sells more than 20k in Japan.

GAF is a gaming forum. We should be celebrating the fact that Nintendo, no matter how much they screwed up regarding hardware and account system, have brought us the past 2-3 years more top quality games than any other publisher in any console. Nintendo is in a very weird point of it's history, when they are maybe in their worst situation financially since many years ago, but at the same time releasing one great game after another.

This is not the WSJ forums, a lot of us don't care how much something sells as long as you can run it and it plays good, yet there are more sales threads than game appreciation threads.

Really guys, ask to have a 'WiiU sells like crap' thread, make it a sticky, make sure it stays open and shoot all your vitriol there. At least we'll know which thread to avoid and we won't have one with a different title every 4 days. Conspiracy theories aside, it seems like some of you actually enjoy watching Nintendo having a hard time.

 

[Lernaean]

I'm not salty, i actually own an army of consoles so i can play all the games i like, including the beautiful Tearaway you have as an avatar.
What annoys me though is fanboys talking about sales all the time because their precious publishers are incapable of creating games as good as Nintendo's first party.
For your information i have stated a lot of times that i hated the Wii and i fail to understand it's sales numbers as well.

 

[Glorified G]

That's what i said too 'in Japan' and actually the X1 struggles everywhere that isn't USA or (partly) UK, except ofc if what you call 'elsewhere' is only USA.

Let's not hide behind our finger here. The PS4 doesn't do well in Japan because there are no games that interest that market yet and also because that market cares little about console gaming anyway compared to the past. The PS4 has won this gen already, there's little to say about that.

Nothing is doing well in Japan if you actually followed the MC threads right now. Every piece of hardware is below 20K this past week. The lowest software YTD in over 4 years. It seems you're desperate for parity on 'doomed' threads because your upset your favorite piece of plastic is not selling. Stop being so emotionally attached to a videogame system or don't bother click on the threads if all this affects you that much

 

[LegendofLex]

Because they make hardware from the ground up for their games and the experience just wouldn't be the same if they put their software on other hardware.

As for casuals, yes there is more competition, but the WiiU should still fill the family console niche nicely. Provided parents knew of it and kids saw the ads.

Provided the games were at all "cool" and what kids actually want to play.

 

[moltonasty]

I can see why the Wii U is failing so horribly, but to me it is a very appealing console.

Since the Dreamcast days I thought a screen in a controller was awesome, and added to the experience and immersion.

The exclusives on the console are excellent, and even when Nintendo is making the millionth Mario or Zelda title, it still feels fresher to me than almost anything else on the market.

With the games that have been announced, I'll be personally satisfied with the system in the end. I already have more than 20 games on the console, plus some eshop titles, so it's already worth it for me, even now.

The next Nintendo console is either going to be freaking amazing and will be more appealing to more people, or it will be the last Nintendo home console. I don't think there is any middle ground for them going forward.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Provided the games were at all "cool" and what kids actually want to play.

It's not like kids suddenly start playing stuff like CoD, soon as they begin gaming. Stuff like Mario, Sonic, Skylanders, Disney Infinity should appeal to a huge chunk of kids.

 

[boclfon479]

Its definitely a 2 part problem for the wii u IMO.

I have one, got it day 1, and i LOVE it, ive bought quite a few games for it and spent lots of time with it. Unfortunately, because 3rd party mostly seems to care about pushing graphics to the max, which is not possible on Wii U unless you dedicate the game engine/ development to it, and making multiplat games.

it really is a shame because if there were more games to take advantage of the asymmetrical gameplay options available through use of gamepad + other controllers, people would see it truly is a good system, just misunderstood.

In fact, one of the only games that showcase this in my opinion is Zombiu, which was an amazing game that got shit reviews because it was compared to other faster paced zombie games. my friend tried zombiu multiplayer the other day at my house and said he wanted to buy one when he got his tax money just so he can play the multiplayer with his brother and sister.

if more people take advantage of the asymmetrical aspect of it, there could be some truly amazing games this gen.


and also, for the people comparing sales to Wii sales, there really isnt much of a reason to compare it, the Wii was a completely different monster. The wii was the first game console to completely "revolutionize" how games are played, focusing on the motion controls first and foremost, and also it was cheaper than the competitors and came with a game to showcase how motion controls work. THATS why it was a hit with the casual crowd, the same people who probably saw it and went "wow, I can play motion controlled sports games in my living room with people, thats amazing!"

thinking that all of those people would come and buy a Wii U is like catching lightning in a bottle, it simply doesnt happen.

and before people think of this as a pro-nintendo fanboy rant, I have a Wii U, a PS4 and a PS3. I used X360 most last gen, and i have a gaming PC (albeit out of date). I play games to play games, not for the companies.

I just dont get the hate for the Wii u :/

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

I'm not salty, i actually own an army of consoles so i can play all the games i like, including the beautiful Tearaway you have as an avatar.
What annoys me though is fanboys talking about sales all the time because their precious publishers are incapable of creating games as good as Nintendo's first party.
For your information i have stated a lot of times that i hated the Wii and i fail to understand it's sales numbers as well.

Yes, that's exactly what's happening. Oh man...

 

[AzaK]

Maybe Nintendo appears to be doing absolutely nothing about this because they KNOW they can do absolutely nothing to reverse its fortunes. So why even waste the money?

Sound business sense i think.

This is exactly what they are doing. Their effort is now on QoL. If we're looking to a 2015 release I imagine they will use that to keep revenues for a few more years until they release the Wii U successor (if they do one at all). Expect Wii U support to get less and less over time. It already suffered to keep the 3DS afloat.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

... Expect Wii U support to get less and less over time. It already suffered to keep the 3DS afloat.

This right here is what makes me think they should have one hybrid handled/console next time.

Why put out 2 pieces of hardware if you throw one to the back burner to support the other?

 

[LegendofLex]

It's not like kids suddenly start playing stuff like CoD, soon as they begin gaming. Stuff like Mario, Sonic, Skylanders, Disney Infinity should appeal to a huge chunk of kids.

It's not like you need to buy a Wii U to play stuff like Mario, Sonic, Skylanders, or Disney Infinity. You probably already have/had a DS/Wii/3DS for that.

Yes, that's exactly what's happening. Oh man...

Absolutely no reason to believe this is currently happening. Nintendo was supporting plenty of non-QOL games at the same time they were putting out Brain Age/Wii Sports/Wii Fit. No reason to think that would cease to be the case now.

 

[Schnozberry]

WhIle I love my Wii U and it's games, it isn't hard to see that Nintendo missed the boat on marketing. It all flows out from them taking for granted that the market was still engaged with the Wii, and they've been backpedaling from that error ever since.

Make an HD handheld that docks with a TV and uses something akin to a Wii U Pro Controller. Put dual analogs on the handheld, and support that one platform with a shit ton of games. It's probably their only shot at relevance.

 

[Lernaean]

Nothing is doing well in Japan if you actually followed the MC threads right now. Every piece of hardware is below 20K this past week. The lowest software YTD in over 4 years. It seems you're desperate for parity on 'doomed' threads because your upset your favorite piece of plastic is not selling. Stop being so emotionally attached to a videogame system or don't bother click on the threads if all this affects you that much

I don't collect plastic boxes, my hobby is playing games, and the WiiU plays good games.
I always see the game i want to play and then will get the box it plays on. That's why i have many boxes. The box is irrelevant, i have no affection or hate for the box, i simply don't care. It's others that don't play good games because they are turned off by the box, not me.

Yes, that's exactly what's happening. Oh man...

It's obvious that you, and others not you specifically, don't want to hear the other opinion, you only care to say the same things you did in last week's Nintendoomed thread and gang on anyone having a different opinion. This is ofc not exclusive to this doomthread but also to every one before it.
I tried to express my opinion pointing continuously that i care only for software and that i am a multiplatform owner with varied tastes in games, that Nintendo covers only a part of my tastes and that's all, and all i got is jokes, pictures and ridicule but not even one post quoting mine and pointing their disagreement for each one of my paragraphs.

If there is no conversation going on but only ganging and joking i'll just have to bail from one yet Nintendoomed thread and also make a mental note to completely avoid further exposure to them. Have fun.

 

[RobFox64tm]

Its definitely a 2 part problem for the wii u IMO.

I have one, got it day 1, and i LOVE it, ive bought quite a few games for it and spent lots of time with it. Unfortunately, because 3rd party mostly seems to care about pushing graphics to the max, which is not possible on Wii U unless you dedicate the game engine/ development to it, and making multiplat games.

it really is a shame because if there were more games to take advantage of the asymmetrical gameplay options available through use of gamepad + other controllers, people would see it truly is a good system, just misunderstood.

In fact, one of the only games that showcase this in my opinion is Zombiu, which was an amazing game that got shit reviews because it was compared to other faster paced zombie games. my friend tried zombiu multiplayer the other day at my house and said he wanted to buy one when he got his tax money just so he can play the multiplayer with his brother and sister.

if more people take advantage of the asymmetrical aspect of it, there could be some truly amazing games this gen.


and also, for the people comparing sales to Wii sales, there really isnt much of a reason to compare it, the Wii was a completely different monster. The wii was the first game console to completely "revolutionize" how games are played, focusing on the motion controls first and foremost, and also it was cheaper than the competitors and came with a game to showcase how motion controls work. THATS why it was a hit with the casual crowd, the same people who probably saw it and went "wow, I can play motion controlled sports games in my living room with people, thats amazing!"

thinking that all of those people would come and buy a Wii U is like catching lightning in a bottle, it simply doesnt happen.

and before people think of this as a pro-nintendo fanboy rant, I have a Wii U, a PS4 and a PS3. I used X360 most last gen, and i have a gaming PC (albeit out of date). I play games to play games, not for the companies.

I just dont get the hate for the Wii u :/

It's just fun for some people to pick on the weak kid. I think it's childish myself, but at least the kid is getting straight A's (in the form of highly reviewed software; albeit, sparingly released software). Much of the criticism is valid of course, but there is a lot of hyperbole thrown into the mix too. Combine that with irrational loyalty to opposing hardware manufacturers and you have a the perfect storm of moronic comments and ill informed opinions.

 

[batman2million]

Nintendo does have a huge blame in this.

I love the WiiU and have love all the games I've played for it so far. I'm glad it's in the market. It add some variety to the console space.

 

[lantus]

Really disheartening when you compare the sales together like that, especially compared to the GameCube. The platform is becoming less and less viable the longer Nintendo waits to really bring in new customers. I'll still probably get one one day when it's relatively cheap, but really I can't see myself actively supporting this console if I were to get one. Nintendo may still produce great games, but consoles in this day and age are supposed to be more than just that, and Nintendo fails miserably in that regard.

 

[joecanada]

I'm not salty, i actually own an army of consoles so i can play all the games i like, including the beautiful Tearaway you have as an avatar.
What annoys me though is fanboys talking about sales all the time because their precious publishers are incapable of creating games as good as Nintendo's first party.
For your information i have stated a lot of times that i hated the Wii and i fail to understand it's sales numbers as well.

Ya know what? Nintendo first party games just aren't that good. Sorry. They are decent for sequels, but as you can plainly see, they don't automatically sell consoles.
Kids play minecraft and many other games now.

 

[StevieP]

Ya know what? Nintendo first party games just aren't that good. Sorry. They are decent for sequels, but as you can plainly see, they don't automatically sell consoles.
Kids play minecraft and many other games now.

That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with

 

[LegendofLex]

Ya know what? Nintendo first party games just aren't that good. Sorry. They are decent for sequels, but as you can plainly see, they don't automatically sell consoles.
Kids play minecraft and many other games now.

We have a winner. People are more than willing to buy games and consoles that they perceive to be good. That they aren't buying Nintendo's current ones is the surest indicator we can have of their quality.