I like how Xbox One is supposedly struggling when people are counting places that hardly even register as legitimate countries. What's the LTD for PS4 and Xbox One in the US? A few hundred thousand units difference, that's all. That's quite competitive, no? Xbox is still in the game in the only place that matters.
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Microsoft Earnings: 1.2 million Xbox One's shipped in Jan-Mar, 5.1M total (3.9+1.2)
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Haha, well. I knew my analogy wasn't really thought out through, but I didn't know that the sales actually picked up after the Kinect was sold.
gundamkyoukai
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I don't think the PSP ever lead the DS WW .
Checking google i don't see anything that says that .
MS is going to run into problems when there sales from last year can no longer cover them .
SwiftDeath
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Doesn't matter mate. Worldwide figures are worldwide figures. Microsoft could end up having problems getting third party support in the future, it won't be long before the PS4 has twice the installed userbase of the One and it could be years before it overtakes the Wii U in terms of worldwide sales given Nintendo's far superior stable of system selling IPs.
If third party titles start to sell twice as much on the PS4 it could end up doing the Wii U a few favours, we might see third parties introducing a Wii U SKU to spread the cost of development...either that or we may see Xbox One SKUs getting canned.
These next couple of years are certainly going to be interesting, this year's E3 is probably the most important one Microsoft have had since they joined the console race.
MisterXDTV
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Yeah you are right, US is the only place that matters....
lol
Sony is in fear because the rest of the world doesn't count....
Fox Mulder
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Just having to use the sold in spin says enough.
still looking forward to what they bring this year.
still looking forward to what they bring this year.
Your last sentence leads me to think you're not serious.
Oh you!
Anyway, I didn't subscribe to the earlier notion of MS panicking around launch but at this point they should be hella nervous. Would love to see them try and fight with compelling software though.
SwiftDeath
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It's verendus, he's about as serious as a UK consumer contemplating a Wii U purchase
Yeah the PS3 would have overtaken the 360 long ago had Kinect 1.0 not been made for it. When it released it was like Wii 2.0 with how consoles were selling with it.
MS's mistake wasn't Kinect in and of itself. It was that they mistakenly thought that people still wanted it after it was neglected from a software standpoint for half a decade and that people would be willing to pay an extra $100 for it.
God I hope so. As a Bone owner, I can only benefit from their desire to gather more sales through the allure of more software.
Pound_lb003
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800K or 700K sitting on shelves in places is pretty abysmal...
I think it's hilarious for you to be a shareholder of MS and be selling your shares over their video game division, one of their most irrelevant divisions profit wise in the whole company...
It would make my eventual jump-in sweeter for sure.
Care to back any of this up? You were talking about how Sony's 7M number was suspicious without backing it up, so I doubt you will here.
MisterXDTV
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This
Add the fact that some stores are returning the green launch boxes to get the Titanfall bundle. Microsoft will never tell you that, of course....
It took years of the Wii practically selling nothing for that to happen, and Sony is notorius for being a seasoned marathoner.
Mass Effect
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Wait, where are people getting the 4.2 million sold (to consumers) numbers? Are you guys adding the 3 million reported sold to consumers at the end of 2013 plus the 1.2 shipped reported for Q1 2014?
anexanhume
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All the launches it's beating were severely supply constrained. Even PS4 is going to fall behind Wii and PS2 LTD in similar timeframes this year because those consoles finally ramped supply and demand was insatiable.
Version 3.0
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Can't argue with that: the US is, indeed, the only place that matters (to the Xbox division).
How do they price it though? $449 gets you the system + Kinect + Titanfall right now.
And people say they don't like this guy
Why would you sell because Xbox One is not doing as well as expected? The entire Xbox division even at its best wasn't the thing driving the stock price. If tomorrow, all businesses suddenly switched to Amazon and boycotted MS for cloud servers, THEN I would consider selling.
BabyFaceKillah
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I'm seriously wondering if people would still be acting like this is bad if Sony wasn't doing as well as it is.
SwiftDeath
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Some might be but that would be a mistake
Others are using their best guess which is usually around 4.2M based on sales to this point
ReturnOfTheRAT
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It all makes sense with the deep discounts desperately trying to move stock off shelves.
StarBlazers1
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Wow! Talk about jumping to conclusions.
First, it does matter as Microsoft hasn't launched in Japan yet(not that it will amount to much) but I'm very sure a much larger % of Wii U's sales came from there.
Second, your idea that 3rd parties won't support the XB1 is pretty far out there. First the architectures are so close that it wouldn't make sense NOT to port over the games. With development costs rising, it is not practical anymore to make a third party exclusive. Ask the third parties that developed Wii exclusives. 100 million consoles sold didn't make much difference to the lack of sales.
What really matters is Tie ratio. Right now XB1 holds a very slim lead.
This notion that these companies won't develop is nonsense. Both Sony and Microsoft are making it very easy to develop for each of the systems.
Sony has gotten very good response from the developers and got an early start with them.
MS has started the ID@Xbox. Given their developers free Unity licenses. Universal Windows API's will make development much easier and on top of that Direct X12 will hopefully have an effect on making things much easier.
LOL, people still thinking that America = The World.
Kazuma Kiryu
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There can only be one champion, and that's the vita.
MisterXDTV
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I think it's an estimation based on this:
- 3M sold in 2013
- 0.7M sold in 2014 (US)
- 0.9M unsold in 2013
- 0.5M unsold in 2014 (?)
= 3.7M Sold + a small percentage of 1.4M= 4.2M Estimated
Imperfected
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The five million number is an assumed number that comes from the fact major publishers stated an expectation of 10,000,000 Gen 8 consoles in the hands of consumers by the end of the fiscal year. The follow-on assumption is that Microsoft expected to have at least half of that market share.
There have been no internal memos leaked that I've seen referring to internal expectations for units shipped. Nor should there have been, honestly, since it's almost a foregone conclusion that your units shipped during first quarter of sales will be equivalent to your units manufactured, which should be a comfortably known quality. (Though, impressively, Microsoft seems to have had to stuff channels to even reach a five million shipped number, so from now on I suppose we have to question the ability of console manufacturers to meet their shipment numbers for the first quarter of a console's release, too. Go team!)
There is no scenario where Microsoft is happy with the numbers they are looking at. There is no scenario where investors are happy with the numbers they are looking at. They did not want to have to start offering retail price cuts this early just to get them to take on more stock. They did not want to see a dip in average daily console sales during the month Titanfall released. They do not want to be in the position of looking at either cutting the price and taking a significant loss on hardware or letting it languish and watching the XBL Gold subscription income dry up as PSN absorbs their users.
I have no idea why you are trying to pretend that Microsoft is popping champagne corks and dancing in the streets. I can dip over to Redmond and check, if you like; I'm pretty sure the mood is going to be somewhere between fervent and dour.
I really have no idea why you're linking me to a three-page GAF thread where almost no one even makes a substantiated estimate. Like most of the similar fart-on-the-wind threads from the same period of time, it's basically just a bunch of people making blind ratio guesses based on internet straw polls and Amazon pre-order "data".
The major publishers predicted a ten million install base, and considering they're the ones who have to do cost-benefit assessments on these multi-million dollar projects to determine whether or not they're going to be viable, I'm inclined to think they probably did quite a bit of homework before arriving at that estimate. (An estimate that has turned out to be fairly accurate, I would add.)
Now, they didn't specify ratios, but I'm going to go ahead and make the safe guess that most of them expected at least five million of that ten million to be XB1's. If not, it certainly begs the question of why EA would have gone so deep into their partnership.
What?
well the competition has out sold them nearly 3:1 Q1 worldwide, so it's quite poor.
SwiftDeath
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LOL people still taking Verendus seriously
...Scatter...
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I think this is a bit of hyperbole. Sorry mate.
So the time between when Sega (a major player in the console market) discountinued their console and Xbox and Gamecube laumched is enough to erase Dreamcast as a competitive force to the Playstation altogether?
Yeah I think 0.5M sold in the other 12 launch countries when the US alone has sold 0.7M for 2014 is not out of the question. 4.2M is probably a pretty good estimate.
Not sure if you're getting Verendus' sarcasm.
Sorry about that, I just couldn't tell.
Dat friendly fire.
1st Course
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Supply chain has gone a long way since the PS1/PS2 days, back then companies had very limited manufacturing capacity. Some countries didn't get the PS2 until 2003/2004 at time for example. Now there are companies like Foxconn that can handle millions of orders quit easily.