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Nintendo not having an E3 press conference for the second year in a row

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get2sammyb

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RPG_Fanatic said:
Out of curiosity, anyone know what the costs of setting up an E3 conference are?
I guess there would be renting the room, shipping in the screen, props, creating the script, etc.
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I imagine it's far from cheap, but I suspect the companies that have them hope that the 'splash' that they create makes up for the expense. E3 is just about the only gaming convention that gets major mainstream media attention, after all.
 
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Allforce

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They really should be trying to be as visible as possible and pushing the WiiU as a secondary/alternative console. Especially while MS is somewhat struggling in the US and Europe, and at an extraordinarily high price point comparatively. They're not going to catch Sony but they could put a big dent into the market and sell a lot of folks on the appeal of a 2nd machine for their home.

A direct-to-YouTube video doesn't really expand their visibility past the hardcore fans who already have bought in
 
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BraXzy

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I think a proper presentation on stage would be much better, more people see it, they can reiterate that the Wii U is new and exciting and it helps hype meters. Plus is a new Zelda title is shown, peeps will go crazy. Sure the same will happen from a direct/event but it isn't the same.

I think people underestimate how the main presentations make reveals all the more exciting and cause a bigger ripple. When I'm watching it live with my buddies on Steam and something amazing drops we all go crazy, regardless of who is making it.

The biggest issue I see is the fact that, like they put it, their fans will come and find the news. "..to communicate news directly to its key audiences, including fans.."

That's all well and good but that'll happen anyway, joe blogs won't go out of their way to watch a seperate thing elsewhere. They need to get themselves infront of people who have otherwise shrugged them off.
 
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qizah

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Slate Soda said:
It's a non-issue.
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This.

Either way you're getting the same information, it's just in a different format.

People care way too much. I'm sure gaming media is going to blow this up as something bigger than it actually is too. Just a matter of time.
 
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking

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At this point, a live conference would of been a show of strength and commitment by Nintendo towards rescuing the WiiU brand and Preventing further damage to the 3DS one.

Not having a conference in my view shows that they are giving up catering to anyone but the NIntendo faithful.

Its not about whether or not you personally like the directs or not. A E3 conference is a sales tool, not only to gamers, but to the press, developers, publishers, general technology enthusiasts and investors.

A very bad move in my view. Nintendo should of been coming to E3 with all guns blazing.
 
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789shadow

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The gaming community at large will continue to see this as Nintendo admitting defeat to Microsoft and Sony. Terrible decision.
 
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Nightengale

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RPG_Fanatic said:
Out of curiosity, anyone know what the costs of setting up an E3 conference are?
I guess there would be renting the room, shipping in the screen, props, creating the script, etc.
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I don't know about E3, but even the set-up of a small conference event + booths are really, really bloody expensive.

There's a ton of custom made booth materials, set-up of highly advanced electronics, hiring people to manage all the electronics backstage, and people to tend to the booths. The companies hired to manage the set-up of these kind of events are also very expensive.

When I was part of a corporate event that was basically doing something like an E3 set-up, but at 10x smaller scale, it still cost somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.
 
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Cade

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Oh, good. I love Nintendo but I can't see any reason to defend this stupidity, especially for the second time. E3 just gets worse and worse.
 
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dude819

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Slate Soda said:
It's a non-issue.
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THIS.... is totally wrong.

Whether it is true or not (I happen to believe it is), it makes them seem like they have given up and know that they cannot, in any way, compete.

Yes. I get it. The hardcore Nintendo fans will add in "but.. but.. (insert 20+ year old Nintendo franchise)" but it doesn't matter. They may as well not show up since this will just be a let down or straight up embarrassment.
 
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Coolwhip

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It's also bad news for E3 in general. Why do this digital event at E3? Might aswell do it another time when gaming news isn't as crowded.
 
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HeelPower

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I think the no E3 live conference hurt them the most last year as it could have helped create true momentum for Wii U.

Now....It wouldn't help much ,but it still sad to a major player drift away like that.

And no ,uploading a video on youtube doesn't have the same impact even if the content is identical.
 
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Aostia

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TheMaidenInBlack said:
Awful decision.

Possibly a sign they don't have much coming up, unfortunately...
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this to me seems, not specifically for you, but for those who criticize so much this approach, a self-fulfilling prophecy: it seems that not having a live event, but a video (and note: the live event is seen by us in the same way: a video on pc) means automatically that they'll show nothing interesting. and that will somehow determine that what will be shown will not be interesting, not matter what they'll show.
 
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thecouncil

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McDougles said:
I don't care if they don't have a physical conference. I do care that they don't have only 41 minutes worth of content again.

Compare that with Sony's 1:47:54 and Microsoft's 1:30:50.
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but also compare that with the fact that Sony and Microsoft don't do anything like Nintendo Direct every other month and also with the fact that Sony and Microsoft conferences are full of garbage like celebrity appearances, excessively long demos, and nonsense talk.
 
LiquidMetal14

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
If it's disappointing like last years even (especially for non die hard Nintendo fans) then it will definitely matter.

thecouncil said:
but also compare that with the fact that Sony and Microsoft don't do anything like Nintendo Direct every other month and also with the fact that Sony and Microsoft conferences are full of garbage like celebrity appearances, excessively long demos, and nonsense talk.
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Better than Nintendo still. And don't kid yourself if you don't think E3 isn't also about the spectacle. It's disappointing to not have an actual conference.
 
Acquiescence

Acquiescence

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Big mistake. They'll severely downplay their presence at E3 by neglecting to have a live conference, yet again. Then again, maybe it's a good thing. Maybe they don't have the big announcements to justify a press conference, which is a problem in itself, but it's best to avoid another case of ridicule like that E3 '12 shitshow they subjected themselves to.
 
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Impeccable

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Gonzo The Great said:
It's not about whether it gets out, it's about how it gets out. The PS4 is dominating in sales based on hype alone. A prerecorded video of Iwata mumbling in broken English isn't going to get people excited.
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This is it - yeah, I'll still hear about a new Mario game or the new Zelda. There just won't be any of the "OMG HOLY SHIT" about it if it's not delivered in that traditional E3 sense - the roar of the crowd, the pause before the video footage.

It's about hype and it'll never quite be the same, to me, without the normal delivery. That's okay though.
 
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MarkusRJR

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I think only doing a stream event is a bad thing for getting news out to actual consumers. They aren't going to be streamed on other sites beyond probably YouTube/Ustream and aren't going to be on TV like the other big conferences. My friends who play on Xbox and PS didn't even know Nintendo did anything beyond demos at E3. I literally had to load up the Nintendo Direct for them to believe me. Just from anecdotal experience I can imagine a large majority of viewers are going to be Nintendo fans, gaming journalists, and hardcore gamers. All of which probably already own a Wii U or already understand what it is. By not being a part of the regular E3 program they really aren't going to get the message (new games, console, etc) out to people who aren't currently interested in the Wii U or people who don't even know what it is. Any hype that it will help build won't spread out like MS or PS E3 news would have.
 
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dmr87

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I guess they want us to

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We used to get Miyamoto on stage, hyped crowds and excitement. Now it's just bland and terrible.
 
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Tregard

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Oh yay, Best Buy demos again.

I'm aware there are reasons they don't put the demos on the eShop (they should do that anyway, however) but the fact the Best Buy demo stuff didn't make in to the UK last year is rather annoying.
 
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StuBurns

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I really don't believe it makes any difference. I'd rather watch a slickly produced presentation than a live shambolic mess with cheering.
 
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qizah

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dude819 said:
THIS.... is totally wrong.

Whether it is true or not (I happen to believe it is), it makes them seem like they have given up and know that they cannot, in any way, compete.

Yes. I get it. The hardcore Nintendo fans will add in "but.. but.. (insert 20+ year old Nintendo franchise)" but it doesn't matter. They may as well not show up since this will just be a let down or straight up embarrassment.
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Nintendo not having a conference at E3, but still presenting new game announcements means Nintendo cannot compete against Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo having games on the show floor shows that Nintendo is not able to compete against Sony and Microsoft, because Sony and Microsoft also have games on the show floor.

I hope you realize how utterly stupid the above sounds. Pls stahp.
 
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level44

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KojiKnight said:
They learned that they saved a bunch of money and that the lack of a "proper" conference means absolutely nothing...
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But couldn't you say that having a bigger exposure at E3 would have made them more money by having a good medium to market the Wii U and 3DS. I don't agree with your statement at all. Sorry. I barely even caught last years fiasco and most of my friends thought that Nintendo didn't have any type of conference or direct at all.
 
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friskykillface

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so if they have a live conference next year at E3, would that be a good indicator that new Nintendo systems would be announced D:

I don't really have a problem with digital Nintendo direct, just add a disable comments since those kill the stream along with 64765 people
 
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Aiii

So not worth it
Bad choice imo. An E3 press conference is fan service. Sure, you don't really need to do it, let alone broadcast it online. But it's a lot of fun and helps get the hardcore gaming audience hyped for your upcoming products. Not doing the press conference was a mistake last year, and it's a mistake this year.
 
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alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
Think of it this way (if you don't think a PC is important), Sony is still riding on that momentum from when Jack dropped the mic. It's all about being visible, and a live stream on a website is the opposite of that.
 
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oxidax

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I can see what they're doing and like others have said, a live conference means nothing specially when we all already know that the Wii U is doing terribly and it lacks third party support. There is no need to go out and say "we know our console is bleeding out. we know that the Wii U is lacking 3rd party support, we know that we still can't give u a proper party chat..but we will do better! Please understand!" NO..

They will do the direct, which i loved, show us actual gameplay and not talk about numbers. Im fine with that.
Unfortunately i don't think they'll show a lot. Im hyped they'll finally show Zelda
(believe)
, more X, more bayo and who knows.. 1 or 2 unannounced games for 2015.

EDIT: I forgot to say that all i want to know is what games are coming out and how the games under development are going. Im pretty sure that's the same thing they would say on a big stage only that this time (like last time) they're doing it on a recorded presentation. Whatever.
 
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Renzoku

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The conference acts as a focal point to their overall presentation. It's a show in the literal sense. It's good advertising, it's good PR, and it's something you can build excitement around.

They're failing to realize all of this. That being said, if they bring enough serious content to E3, it won't matter as much. Last year they made the mistake of essentially doing a direct without dropping bombs and properly making a case for the Wii U for that upcoming fall.

They have to bring it twice as hard if they're not going to put effort into the PR festivities.
 
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samurai1226

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After that awful Wii U presentation with Nintendoland and other unimpressive stuff, maybe its good the focus on their direct customers with Nintendo Direct instead of trying to use a big stage when you have nothing big to show
 
McHuj

McHuj

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Might not matter to the fans, but I think it terms of getting media coverage it's better for Nintendo to be there on stage.
 
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Bishop89

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Haziq said:
This.

Either way you're getting the same information, it's just in a different format.

People care way too much. I'm sure gaming media is going to blow this up as something bigger than it actually is too. Just a matter of time.
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its a non issue for us, but to the general public probably not.

Mainstream news covers it, reaching FAR more people who wouldnt find new news on sites like IGN,
 
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AzerPhire

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I actually prefer the pre-recorded video. That way I don't have to watch some bumbling developer stumble through a fake live demo of their game for 10-20 minutes. Those are the worst parts of Sony and Microsoft's conferences.

Nintendo will still have all of their new games playable at e3 they just won't have the live conference. That is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
 
LiquidMetal14

LiquidMetal14

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StuBurns said:
It really don't believe it makes any difference. I'd rather watch a slickly produced presentation than a live shambolic mess with cheering.
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The only main example we have of the non "shambolic mess" is last years Nintendo stream and it was less than stellar. E3 is about the conferences and the hype/spectacle. Give me conferences any day.
 
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KojiKnight

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Gonzo The Great said:
It's not about whether it gets out, it's about how it gets out. The PS4 is dominating in sales based on hype alone. A prerecorded video of Iwata mumbling in broken English isn't going to get people excited.
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Actually, it DOESN'T matter how the information gets out... The people covering E3 will continue to cover Nintendo. The only people who benefit from a live show are the couple thousand of press that end up at the event themselves... Everyone else is just watching a video one way or the other, the only difference is that one will have a lot of cheering in it (and if Microsoft has taught us anything, it's that cheering/clapping is often fake anyways).
 
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