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Kingdom Hearts Community Thread: Now everybody can be a Keyblade Wielder!
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Sora isn't Yen Sid's apprentice.
Napalm_Frank
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My old speculation what Yen Sid's keyblade could possibly look like was something similar to Stroke of Midnight keyblade with blue/light blue colour scheme and it would have the classic Disney castle implemented to it. The handle would be the stylished ''D'' from the Walt Disney logo. Keychain would be Yen Sids hat.
Something tells me that Yen Sid is more of Aqua/Donald's type (primary magic user) so even if he has the keyblade he's not going to be doing much crazy Yoda combat.
badcrumble
Member
Oh I know, but it's still something essentially given by him.
Pretty much. I don't see Yen Sid suddenly jumping all around, though, like Master Xehanort, he could definitlty flashstep or teleport. If Xehanort can do this as an old geezer, I don't see why Yen Sid couldn't.
I see Yen Sid having more of a Palpatine fighting-style. That robe probably wouldn't make for fluid movement and Yen Sid would look ridiculous in anything other than a light blue robe with a pointy hat.
Well, he could get rid of said robe when the fighting begins, revealing his naked and muscled upper torso, and beating up his enemies with his fists alone.
... *snikers* Yeah, I can't keep a straight face while writing this.
Yeah, I agree, I don't really see him moving a lot, though he could use a flying platform, like Maleficent did in KH1.
badcrumble
Member
Sora's Final Form in KH2 was all about what was apparently telepathic control of Keyblades. I'd honestly expect Yen Sid to be all about that instead of doing it with his hands.
Dante Morgan
Banned
So... he's basically Yamamoto?
Do you think he has badass scars all over his body too? And a sixpack?
You know what, I should probably stop right there. I believe I'll be seeing the mental image I just gave myself in my nightmares.
They did the timeline ages ago...
badcrumble
Member
Wasn't that video pre-DDD? I mean, as I understand it, the actual events that *happened* weren't so much changed by the time travel (in the sense that you're not allowed to change the past and you become amnesiac upon returning to your original timeline). DDD sort of implies that it's MX himself who places the unconscious desire to explore past Destiny Islands into YX's heart, though, which is kind of interesting in that [if that's the case] he's basically his own corrupting influence.
Anyway, at the very least, DDD *does* fill out some pre-BBS events as far as Master Xehanort's youth is concerned.
It'll be Nicolas Cage Yen Sid (yes I know his name wasn't Yen Sid in that movie but he still plays Yen Sid's part).
The Last One
Member
I'm think they did that video knowing about the KH III announcement at E3, it got released about a month before E3.
I swear I missed it lol.
badcrumble
Member
I'm sorry, Napalm_Frank, but I think we're definitely at that point where it looks like we're unlikely to get any KH 2.5 HD Remix news until E3 - little chance remains of an event or announcement before then, I think.
Any keyblades that you'd like to see return or any new ones that have been shown but aren't usable in-game?
Oathkeeper, Oblivion, and Ultima Weapon should be the obvious returning. I'd like to see the return of Pumpkinhead
Erm, no, not that one.
Wouldn't mind Dual Disc coming back too. And I'd like to see that keyblade that Sora and Riku use in reality shift become somehow usable.
Oathkeeper, Oblivion, and Ultima Weapon should be the obvious returning. I'd like to see the return of Pumpkinhead
Erm, no, not that one.
Wouldn't mind Dual Disc coming back too. And I'd like to see that keyblade that Sora and Riku use in reality shift become somehow usable.
I used to think so too before DDD.
I'm fond of the Zero-One. Don't know how they'd bring it back and why over other keyblades, but it would make me quite happy if they did.
EDIT: oh, and for plot reasons we might see the return of the Keyblade of Heart or whatever we're supposed to call it in KH3. Maybe Kairi will get to wield it.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Oh well, E3 is like 4 weeks away anyway. At this point I'm thinking if it is even possible that we get it before the holidays.
It was cool for them to have the title announcements at D23 but they certainly did reveal it a bit too early concidering the total silence. We got the last ENGLISH trailer like 6 months ago. At this point they already should have opened up if it will be a Fall or Winter release.
badcrumble
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I think I was thinking of that giant Google Doc tongue-in-cheek summary.
I used to think so too before DDD.
I'm fond of the Zero-One. Don't know how they'd bring it back and why over other keyblades, but it would make me quite happy if they did.
EDIT: oh, and for plot reasons we might see the return of the Keyblade of Heart or whatever we're supposed to call it in KH3. Maybe Kairi will get to wield it.
Kairi already has the one that Riku gave her doesn't she?
Do people just carry extra's or does riku have some weird " keyblades are drawn to me because reasons " power
I have to say that Riku giving a keyblade to Kairi like that, out of the blue, was... ankward, to say the least. Especially since it wasn't established yet that there were tons of keyblades already in the existence. IIRC, in KH2, we still believed that both Sora and Mickey were the only ones to possess keyblades.
That's a fake keyblade and it would be completely impossible for Kairi to wield it.
Keyblades can be found and lost. Aqua is wielding Eraqus's Master Keeper and her Stormfall is in the Chamber of Repose. Destiny's Embrace is for all intents and purposes Kairi's. Aqua got it from her memories of Kairi after all.
No, because Roxas had two in the trailers.
The keyblades weren't there in the very beginning. There's only one original one, and it's the X-Blade. The others were created by the people who would become the first keyblade wielders, and could be passed down or taken. Sora is wielding the same keyblade through his entire journey and it changes appearance and stats with the use of keychains. I think there's something special about the two kingdom key forms though because they bear the strongest similarity to the X-blade(which is literally two kingdom keys with a sword sticking out of them).
Well if you want to get technical the χ-blade is the only true keyblade, everything else is artificial in nature and man-made. The keyblade of heart might have a different origin but it's still a keyblade, it can still be used as a weapon and has a secondary function that's unique to it.
You're going to have to explain to me on why it would be impossible for Kairi to wield a weapon that's forged when the Princesses join together. It's not like she has to give up her heart to create it, seemingly they just have to be near each other and will it into existence.
Protagonist Jake
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Everyone thought that was Sora at the time from what I remember. Which I guess it technically was but yeah.
Plus it was a concept trailer to begin with so we cant really take it at face value in the the first place... Well we can NOW because it ended up being a thing but... you know what I mean.
I still love how they pretty much COMPLETELY ditched the "Keyblades chose their master" shtick. Which still makes no sense that they ditched it because Sora's keyblade is Riku's old one which DITCHED Riku because he was being a shit...
Freaking Kingdom Hearts.
Nah he was too cool for that keyblade
Keyblade couldn't handle it.
It was like " oh no, he's such a cool-guy, I can't I can't I 'll take the dumb kid instead " Then he got a new keyblade that could handle his coolness
Its totally canon shut up.
badcrumble
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I think BBS complicated that by having both Riku and Kairi given a Keyblade Inheritance (one by accident) and Sora's still got a hefty fragment of Ventus' heart inside of him.
As for the chi-blade and the appearance of Kingdom Keys within it, that's an interesting thing for sure. I wonder whether we'll get a sense of what (if anything) makes the Kingdom Key qualitatively different from other keyblades, or find out further reasons why it was important for Mickey to get the Kingdom Key D (beyond the fact that it was necessary in order to close the Door to Darkness).
And yeah, I don't see it as being impossible that the Keyblade of Heart might show up in KH3, especially since it briefly got mentioned again in DDD (if I recall correctly).
I like them pushing that narrative.
He is the one with the heart, he may not be the strong cool guy or the cool girl , but he has his friends, and thats where is power comes from. His friends help.
And thats why him getting a handme down remnant keyblades are great. Its a nice over all lesson.
He is the one with the heart, he may not be the strong cool guy or the cool girl , but he has his friends, and thats where is power comes from. His friends help.
And thats why him getting a handme down remnant keyblades are great. Its a nice over all lesson.
They may be artificial, but they're still magic. They represent a connection to Kingdom Hearts, and technically you're still being chosen when you inherit the ability: the keyblade that comes to you is your complement, the one keyblade out of thousands of potential candidates that best suits the wielder. That is, of course, if we're to believe that keyblades aren't just magically forged from thin air but already exist in some tangible state somewhere, and completely inert until their chosen wielder finally appears.
Which sounds ludicrous but what doesn't in Kingdom Hearts? The truth is we don't know where these keyblades are coming from. There's a lot about Keyblades we still don't know.
Well, he *is* the one who will open the door to light. Though KH2 fulfilling this prophecy by making the door of light be just an exit from the Dark Margin doesn't seem all that great. Sounds like it should have been something much more grand.
The keyblades were built because the only info that the original wielders had to go on for Kingdom Hearts is "Well you need a big-ass key." There are probably a finite amount of keyblades, and most of them are powerless and can't be used again, and those are the ones in the Keyblade Graveyard. The remaining ones with power have probably been handed down so that they are artificial, but a new keyblade doesn't appear every time there's a new wielder, the existing keyblades just travel to that wielder.
As for the Door to light, I assumed that there should be a "the" in there somewhere. Door to light suggests that the door leads to the realm of light, but technically the the realm of light is where most of Kingdom Hearts takes place. True Kingdom Hearts is in the realm of darkness somewhere, and the door has always served as an easier entrance to the realm of darkness since most people can't just go there whenever they want.
Hoo, boy.
No, you're confusing KH2 teaser with the KH2 trailers. We knew Roxas != Sora as of the ending of Reverse Rebirth, and we had seen him wielding two keys before we saw his face.
Except that that was never a thing. People incorrectly assumed that the Keyblade chooses its master, when really Sora is the exception to the rule. The only qualification to have a keyblade is "a strong heart". If your heart is strong enough, you can wield it. The reason Sora is unusual is that he never got a KIC; the keyblade quite literally chose him to wield it. That's why he's referred to as "The Keyblade's Chosen One".
Tetsuya Nomura: "The Keyblade constructed from the Seven Princesses' hearts that Riku obtained in [Kingdom Hearts] allowed for the Keyhole in Hollow Bastion to appear. For the plan to cause darkness to overflow from hearts, the special hearts held be the Princesses were used to artificially make this Keyblade. So it is different from a proper Keyblade. There are further suggestions that this Keyblade is artificial as well."
Plus extracting the hearts again to make it is unbelievably lazy writing. Why in the world would anyone from team Hero want that weapon?
Alright so about keyblades. Are there a finite number of them? Nope. The forging of them is unclear, as they are mystical weapons, but we've twice seen them be forged: Riku's Soul Eater sword becoming Way to Dawn and Lea's Chakrams becoming whatever the fuck it's going to be called. I would say that considering that we've twice seen Keys that explicitly call to the wielders that they are in fact on the spot created and not drawn from other realms. That being said, there are instances of characters wielding a blade that doesn't belong to them. Aqua has Master Keeper, Roxas uses Oathkeeper and Oblivion, and Sora duel wields with Way to Dawn. However, the initial blade is one reflective of the wielder's own heart.
Is everything but the χ-blade artificial? Not really? The χblade is the original, but that doesn't make the ones forged in its image fake. However, Nomura has called the Key of Hearts artificial directly, so...
No, you're confusing KH2 teaser with the KH2 trailers. We knew Roxas != Sora as of the ending of Reverse Rebirth, and we had seen him wielding two keys before we saw his face.
Except that that was never a thing. People incorrectly assumed that the Keyblade chooses its master, when really Sora is the exception to the rule. The only qualification to have a keyblade is "a strong heart". If your heart is strong enough, you can wield it. The reason Sora is unusual is that he never got a KIC; the keyblade quite literally chose him to wield it. That's why he's referred to as "The Keyblade's Chosen One".
Tetsuya Nomura: "The Keyblade constructed from the Seven Princesses' hearts that Riku obtained in [Kingdom Hearts] allowed for the Keyhole in Hollow Bastion to appear. For the plan to cause darkness to overflow from hearts, the special hearts held be the Princesses were used to artificially make this Keyblade. So it is different from a proper Keyblade. There are further suggestions that this Keyblade is artificial as well."
Plus extracting the hearts again to make it is unbelievably lazy writing. Why in the world would anyone from team Hero want that weapon?
Alright so about keyblades. Are there a finite number of them? Nope. The forging of them is unclear, as they are mystical weapons, but we've twice seen them be forged: Riku's Soul Eater sword becoming Way to Dawn and Lea's Chakrams becoming whatever the fuck it's going to be called. I would say that considering that we've twice seen Keys that explicitly call to the wielders that they are in fact on the spot created and not drawn from other realms. That being said, there are instances of characters wielding a blade that doesn't belong to them. Aqua has Master Keeper, Roxas uses Oathkeeper and Oblivion, and Sora duel wields with Way to Dawn. However, the initial blade is one reflective of the wielder's own heart.
Is everything but the χ-blade artificial? Not really? The χblade is the original, but that doesn't make the ones forged in its image fake. However, Nomura has called the Key of Hearts artificial directly, so...
WeaponKnight
Member
I always assumed that Ventus' heart being inside Sora counted as initiation.
badcrumble
Member
I think the only circumstances under which it'd reappear would be Kairi wielding it through some sort of new-to-the-lore mumbo-jumbo that says that she can do so as a Princess of Heart without any of the Princesses needing their hearts removed because they're already linked and so on and so forth.
Likewise. They use that as the explanation for why Roxas has one to begin with, IIRC.
Again, this is why people call Sora the Keyblade's Chosen. The keyblade chose to allow him to wield; it usually doesn't do that.
Roxas can wield because he's the Nobody of a wielder. Xemnas could wield too, but he chose not to for reasons unknown.
I 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% am against that development.
badcrumble
Member
I agree that it'd likely be pretty dumb (though in the correct context it might be neat if there were some actual necessity for it - Kairi being disarmed of her normal Keyblade or something). But, to be fair, you don't want KH3 to add much of anything new to the lore and you want to be able to deduce the story of the game based solely on what we've been given so far.
Didn't Xemnas also
Have Terra's Heart? Or was it Xehanort's? Either way both of the "parents" were housing multiple hearts. You're probably right, since it wasn't established that Xehanort had control of Terra's heart when that interview was made, but it's an interesting coincidence.
I didn't think Xemnas didn't have a heart at all, at least not before his body replaced it. Xehnort's heart went into making Ansem, Seeker of Darkness and was the disembodied robe floating around Destiny Islands. And while Xemnas doesn't use the Keyblade, he does use the armor.
U FUCKING WOT M8?
I want KH to add light based enemies. I want Xehanort to be a Lordgenome. I want Oswald to be Mickey's brother and hate him. I want a ton of new things in the game and I'd be fucking livid if it was nothing but the old lore and concepts. That's an empirically false assertion and I would appreciate not being misrepresented so.
badcrumble
Member
>;-D
MistaBowaa
Member
I assumed that Kairi was accidentally "initiated" by Aqua. Either that, or she was initiated by Riku when he hands her the keyblade in KH2.
OR: Perhaps she is initiated by Yen Sid in a ceremony we have yet to see.
OR: Perhaps she is initiated by Yen Sid in a ceremony we have yet to see.
I want light based enemies.
Also I do not want oslwald to hate mickey, I want oswald and mickey to be friendly and brotherely. I want oswald to be abit of a cocky guy. And I want everyone else to hate oswald.Mickey and oswald hanging out. Mickey a bit mischievous and msyterious and oswald abit more strait forward and cocky.And else everyone is like " oh shit is oswald... its THAT guy "And I want him to be like the virgil, and he has a keyblade and he is super good at it. But he is a duchey duke.
Every D bad they deal with is always a bad guy, I would like for there to be a d bad they have to deal with that is not only helpful,is also the kings brother and a very powerful keyblade wielder. I would like Oswalds character to be used for levity more than any serious kind of thing. He often uses peoples things with out asking or way too often takes credit for things that he didn't do, or is way blunter than donald is in some situations. I feel like his character and his limbo status for some many years allow for a more non caring character.
I actually want him in KH3, but not in an active role until KH4. Basically, Sora, Mickey, and co are getting their collective asses beat by Xehanort's darknesses when suddenly out of nowhere Oswald has a Big Damn Heroes moment and saves the day. Mickey is dumbstruck and Oswald tosses a "This doesn't mean I've forgiven you" as a parting line. When asked who it is, Mickey replies "My older brother". And that's the only time we see Oswald in KH3.
Protagonist Jake
Member
Except no one incorrectly assumed anything
Literally
Right at the begging of KH1
"I never asked for this".
"The Keyblade chooses its master and it chose you"
"So, tough luck"
You cant interpret that anyway other way. Unless you just say Yuffie and Leon didnt fully understand that, in which case, that entire dialogue section is absolutely pointless and shouldnt have been on the game. Why would they say that if they were just making it up anyway.
Normura first started writing this and clearly didnt finish in the first place (Yes, its confirmed he didnt plan out the series. he's said this in many interviews). So you have to accept that shit has just been retconned in this series.
Napalm_Frank
Member
You know who needs to make an appearance? Magica De Spell. My favourite antagonist from the duck universe, especially comics. While I know it is asking for too much they could go for some fun gameplay elements with her as a boss if we went full Don Rosa with her. Bring on the gravity changing levels.
I was almost gonna say we didn't have any of the duck universe antagonists even as cameos but then I remembered that we actually did have the Beagle Boys in DDD so that's pretty cool.
There also is other great cameo characters you could have. Like Gyro Gearloose is a natural addition to the Gummi team of Cid/Chip+Dale.
I was almost gonna say we didn't have any of the duck universe antagonists even as cameos but then I remembered that we actually did have the Beagle Boys in DDD so that's pretty cool.
There also is other great cameo characters you could have. Like Gyro Gearloose is a natural addition to the Gummi team of Cid/Chip+Dale.
badcrumble
Member
This stuff is much more heavily emphasized in the old Italian Paperino comics (which were much more popular than any comic-book form of Donald Duck in the US).