Is it better now?
That hairstyle though....better give him a mullet just to be safe.
Is it better now?
Just because you're offended doesn't mean it's offensive. Those two things are not always equal.
OP, that guy you quoted; Veerender Jubbal, just wrote this via Twitter:
"You cannot be racist to white people."
This guy is a real piece of work.
Best possible solution: Cut the guy's head out, replace it with a mirror. Now it's not even not racist/homophobic anymore but also has a deep meaning and is art.
If you are talking about the overreaction, it is already a big thing, to the point that some people on very specific websites are doing it like it is the cool thing to do: being offended and feeling oppresed by absolutely everything.
Needs scars to be honest. Must be more manly, or I'll be offended.Is it better now?
Antagonist is a bad gay stereotype (which sure some people might be that way IRL), OP doesn't like stereotypes and hopes that this isn't a character based on one.
Im starting to think its impossible to create any interesting character trait that wont offend someone. Cant have a bad guy that dresses eccentrically, because he might be gay, cant have a bad guy doing something evil, because...racism?
I would love to create a thread where neogaf designs an interesting cast of characters in which it is impossible for someone to find something offensive about it.
Antagonist is a bad gay stereotype (which sure some people might be that way IRL), OP doesn't like stereotypes and hopes that this isn't a character based on one.
So based on the artwork and a statement of an author regarding gay protagonists you assume the villain is gay, gotcha.
OP is a hypocrite in the best case or the actual homophobe, for basing his assumption on a judgemental and outdated image of gay people in his mind, in the worst case
Forgot that being homosexual means you can only be gay (happy) and not evil. If he is gay I think he could be a really interesting villain. Any one who has a problem with it is fundamentally hypocritical, as we have straight generic villains all the time, are only straight males capable of crime.
Today I learned:
You just made the box art even more racist by giving them yellow skin. I hope you're proud of yourself.
The uproar is stupid because the message it unintentionally sends is that publishers should just be safe, avoid characters of color, avoid controversial subjects. Never portray the third world.
Edit: Those of you that are personally attacking people that I've quoted here are disgusting. You really think being racist and homophobic towards someone makes them less sensitive to these issues? It must be a miserable life spending all your time hating people online.
I mean, this might just me, but I'm pretty sure it's intended to evoke racism. We don't know much about the game yet but I'm pretty positive the box art isn't the way it is by chance or ignorance. It's pretty blatant.
Antagonist is a bad gay stereotype (which sure some people might be that way IRL), OP doesn't like stereotypes and hopes that this isn't a character based on one.
If this gets any traction, they will. They never ever frame it as cutting or altering or removing content because then that would bring up the dreaded c-word. But the implication is absolutely there. When someone chooses not to buy a game or their purchasing decision is predicated upon a change being made -- they are absolutely forcing their will. And say Ubisoft does change something, then they'll play the "well, they are the creators, let them change it or not card" as if "you racist, homophobes!" is as powerful a call for change as "leave it."That's not the point at all. It's saying what a fictional character represents and criticizing it. Nowhere do either the OP or the tweeters suggest they have to change it, or are trying to force their will onto the creators.
That's actually your camp's problem. The game does not exist yet. No member of this forum has played it. This is not criticism because there is no artifact to criticize. There is no context because the argument is inferring from a box art (which are noted for how narrow and lacking nuance they are) the details and actions of a character. This is a game of how offended will I be today.It's called critique, yet the gaming community has shown time and time again that they are not actually ready for their favorite medium to be seen as art. You can't just claim games constitute freedom of speech and art, and violently protest when they're treated as such
Some stereotypes of gay men are: Fashionable / Style (check), limp wrist (check), and the color pink (check), which at least in America, is often considered an effeminate color.
My issue is if this character is gay, thus far he is portrayed as a gay stereotype in this piece of art, and that alone is problematic. Let alone if he is the whole "gay people are bad guys or punchlines" trope.
So where am I being a hypocrite or judgemental here?
You keep saying that he has a limp wrist, but all I see is one resting on the guys head and one resting on his chin.Some stereotypes of gay men are: Fashionable / Style (check), limp wrist (check), and the color pink (check), which at least in America, is often considered an effeminate color.
My issue is if this character is gay, thus far he is portrayed as a gay stereotype in this piece of art, and that alone is problematic. Let alone if he is the whole "gay people are bad guys or punchlines" trope.
So where am I being a hypocrite or judgemental here?
Some stereotypes of gay men are: Fashionable / Style (check), limp wrist (check), and the color pink (check), which at least in America, is often considered an effeminate color.
Can't that dichotomy be drawn about any group of people?
Antagonist is a bad gay stereotype (which sure some people might be that way IRL), OP doesn't like stereotypes and hopes that this isn't a character based on one.
Some stereotypes of gay men are: Fashionable / Style (check), limp wrist (check), and the color pink (check), which at least in America, is often considered an effeminate color.
My issue is if this character is gay, thus far he is portrayed as a gay stereotype in this piece of art, and that alone is problematic. Let alone if he is the whole "gay people are bad guys or punchlines" trope.
So where am I being a hypocrite or judgemental here?
I'm not white and I hate when people do false equivalences about "If it was a minority they would not..." but lets no pretend that you cannot discriminate a white person.
Also remember, white persons can also be racist with white persons.
Edit: Those of you that are personally attacking people that I've quoted here are disgusting. You really think being racist and homophobic towards someone makes them less sensitive to these issues? It must be a miserable life spending all your time hating people online.
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It just reminds me of Saints Row.
You could've told me this was the cover of the next SR game, and I would've believed you.Seriously though my first thought was they got Saints Row in my Far Cry.
Apparently Noctis is gay tooDon't be racist, man.
OP talking about himself in the third person?
He's being portrayed as being gay or as being full of fucking swag?
Where's the limp wrist? Straight men can't be stylish? And I see it more as purple than pink, and purple is fucking regal.
" you cannot be racist to white people "
Proves his an idiot, As tell that to redheads who get just as victimized on a daily basis and are being described by a color.
This is what I dont like about gay people who stress over everything.
ITS A SEXUAL ORIENTATION !!!!!!
wait, let me explain it better...
ITS THE WAY YOU LIKE TO HAVE SEX !!!!
ITS NOT PERSONALITY, ITS NOT A STYLE OR A HAIRCUT, ITS NOT HOW YOU TALK AND WALK !!!!!
For fucks sake, "if done right" ?!?!?!?!! ITS A PERSONALITY OF A CHARACTER, BEING THE CHARACTER GAY OR NOT, CHANGES NOTHING !!!
Do you guys really get offended on this ?! Just cuz they make a character who looks slightly more feminine ? If all you want is equal rights, then Shut it already !
You could've told me this was the cover of the next SR game, and I would've believed you.
Some stereotypes of gay men are: Fashionable / Style (check), limp wrist (check), and the color pink (check), which at least in America, is often considered an effeminate color.
My issue is if this character is gay, thus far he is portrayed as a gay stereotype in this piece of art, and that alone is problematic. Let alone if he is the whole "gay people are bad guys or punchlines" trope.
Just because you're offended doesn't mean it's offensive. Those two things are not always equal.