Support NeoGAF

[Santar]

Really? That makes no sense. Why would online play matter in the least when talking about a non mobile platform? Do you ever even take your console offline?

I'd much rather be online (my PC is online 24/7 anyway) than suffer hacking and duping issues.

I just prefer to fully own my games and be able to play them on my own terms when and where I want.
And I don't care if somebody I don't know wants to hack in their own game, it doesn't affect me at all. Let them cheat, they're only ruining the game for themselves.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Is't it a different version of the game anyway? Would patched even address similar things?

 

[velociraptor]

On console there isn't the same number of enemies on screen as PC. To make up for that, they give the ones that do show up more health. Obviously another difference is the inability to pinpoint target enemies, so on console it's quite forgiving when you aim at or near an enemy and use an ability.

I guess the PS4 version should address the enemy count?

 

[Fusilli Craig]

I can sympathize with developers having extra hoops to jump through when facing patches on console environments but if you're going to release a title on a platform I don't think parity in support is too much to ask.

As someone who has been burned by both Awesomenauts and Arkham Origins on consoles these PC-first developers can keep their ball if they're not willing to play the same game on consoles.

 

[KojiKnight]

It's rare when the console gamers are the ones being screwed on this kind of thing (delayed patches, dropped support, etc) compared to PC ports of console games... But it happens. Every game has lead platforms that end up with the better product, and many games don't get post-release support or require people to buy DLC for additional content...

Does it suck? Yep, but welcome to the industry.

 

[Kelsey]

I guess the PS4 version should address the enemy count?

I believe part of the reason for enemy count beyond the obvious framerate concerns is having to factor in the controller. But that reasoning was given last year before the PS3/360 versions came out. It might have changed for PS4/XB1.

 

[Resilient]

Honestly, just don't buy the console version. Any decent PC/Laptop could run D3:RoS. Just buy it there and be the end of it..

 

[kevin1025]

I'm hoping what they mean is more they feel confident the game is in perfect condition rather than "we don't see the benefit in updating the game for you stinking console gamers!" If there are major unbalanced issues they did not take into account or glitches that pop up in the wider world, and they just shrug, then that's not good business. But if it's because the game is content and feature rich and we're all good, I'm okay with that!

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

ultimate evil indeed

Great post

 

[Resilient]

I'm hoping what they mean is more they feel confident the game is in perfect condition rather than "we don't see the benefit in updating the game for you stinking console gamers!" If there are major unbalanced issues they did not take into account or glitches that pop up in the wider world, and they just shrug, then that's not good business. But if it's because the game is content and feature rich and we're all good, I'm okay with that!

The content is feature rich right now, richer than it's ever been on console. It includes the base D3, the expansion and any changes as yet.

People are up in arms because it's not gonna include content that is coming to PC free in a few months time, that will extend the life of the game on the lead platform, where most hardcore players are already playing.

As it stands, UEE is still massive content wise.

 

[NullPointer]

Honestly, just don't buy the console version. Any decent PC/Laptop could run D3:RoS. Just buy it there and be the end of it..

Always a good choice if people have even decent machines, want strong anti-hack measures and don't mind an always online game, even for single-player.

But now that I've had direct control there's no going back. I prefer the console version in every way.

 

[kevin1025]

The content is feature rich right now, richer than it's ever been on console. It includes the base D3, the expansion and any changes as yet.

People are up in arms because it's not gonna include content that is coming to PC free in a few months time, that will extend the life of the game on the lead platform, where most hardcore players are already playing.

As it stands, UEE is still massive content wise.

That makes sense, then. For me personally, I will be happy with the game as it stands. But for those wishing to have the content parity between console and PC, I definitely understand the pitfall of Blizzard saying this.

 

[aeolist]

if nothing else this shows that the console manufacturers are probably still imposing fees and/or cert requirements onerous enough to make continuous patching not worthwhile

 

[bidguy]

Honestly, just don't buy the console version. Any decent PC/Laptop could run D3:RoS. Just buy it there and be the end of it..

id love to but i just cant game on pc for longer periods of time. shame since i got a pretty nice setup.

ill get this on console if they finally get their heads outta their asses and up the mob density.

 

[LCGeek]

The content is feature rich right now, richer than it's ever been on console. It includes the base D3, the expansion and any changes as yet.

People are up in arms because it's not gonna include content that is coming to PC free in a few months time, that will extend the life of the game on the lead platform, where most hardcore players are already playing.

As it stands, UEE is still massive content wise.

You can test it out already if you have ROS. The problem is the balance or glitches. I doubt console players want some of the new stuff being glitchy can't say how many rift runs I've seen that are bad cause you can't finish at times and this really sucks with the greater ones.

At the very least console players are getting a more balanced version of ROS which is a lot better than at launch especially for crusaders.

Unless blizzard is working super hard on pc and console I don't see them making the deadline with the content in or not being glitchy.

 

[Darknight]

That sure makes my decision of whether to buy this at full price a lot easier. Might as well wait for it to hit the bargain bin.

Same here. Was thinking of buying this. I havent played Diablo since D2. This news kills any hype I had for it. Might as well wait for a 50% sale. If you are gonna have free updates done, work with Sony/MS to let you post free content for free. That gives customers a reason to buy the game and support DLC etc.

 

[Brazil]

Thanks Blizzard. Just decided to skip UEE

 

[Skele7on]

See I was worried about this, ROS was from what my buddies said, "fucking broken at launch"

I hope to god that this Ultimate Evil edition is so Evil because it's fucked.

Also if they're not planning on re visiting and patching, I'm not sure if I can really be bothered to go back to it. Hopefully they have a PS3 Upgrade to PS4 option, otherwise I really see myself not wanting anything to do with it at full price at least.

Also Blizzard, Secret Cow Level?

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

Thanks for letting me know, Blizzard. I'll just buy the PS4 version used eventually

 

[velociraptor]

Honestly, just don't buy the console version. Any decent PC/Laptop could run D3:RoS. Just buy it there and be the end of it..

Console version seems quite attractive, especially since it has 4 player local co op. I played the demo on the PS3 and the controls felt much better than 'clicking' with the mouse over and over and over and over again.

 

[Angelus Errare]

See I was worried about this, ROS was from what my buddies said, "fucking broken at launch"

I hope to god that this Ultimate Evil edition is so Evil because it's fucked.

Also if they're not planning on re visiting and patching, I'm not sure if I can really be bothered to go back to it. Hopefully they have a PS3 Upgrade to PS4 option, otherwise I really see myself not wanting anything to do with it at full price at least.

Also Blizzard, Secret Cow Level?

2.0.6 isn't launch ROS so yea...

 

[LCGeek]

Console version seems quite attractive, especially since it has 4 player local co op. I played the demo on the PS3 and the controls felt much better than 'clicking' with the mouse over and over and over and over again.

Vs what button jamming with no kiting and ability to aim in the back, yeah so much better..

Also there are more skills related to your keyboard than your mouse by default.

I like console version and local coop but decreased resolution and fps drops (game is bad enough as is) are not something I want all the time.

2.0.6 isn't launch ROS so yea...

Wow if this is true more people should be nailing blizzard for a very blantant rip off. Straight up thought ROS was in this game if it's not neogaf and other places should form a boycott or get the word out.

 

[CrowdChant]

Disappointing to say the least if it doesn't get post-launch support. I had planned to double dip; not so sure now.

I have to credit Blizzard for being upfront about this though, especially before release. A lot of developers or publishers would avoid addressing something like that until after release or just give a very vague answer.

 

[Fleshfeast]

2.0.6 isn't launch ROS so yea...

Wow if this is true more people should be nailing blizzard for a very blantant rip off. Straight up thought ROS was in this game if it's not neogaf and other places should form a boycott or get the word out.

Angelus meant 2.0.6 is RoS + a few updates. There's changes in 2.0.6 that were not in when RoS launched on PC, thus there are fixes and balances that the PC version didn't have at RoS launch. The base game and RoS are included in the new Ultimate Evil Edition.

 

[Santar]

I wonder how long it will take before Blizzard actually comes out and state what they will do with patch support.

 

[TTUVAPOR]

It's a complete game in and of itself. Post launch support with free significant updates and balance changes is mostly a PC thing.

That needs to change. Platform shouldn't matter these days. Whether it's PC or console, the game should be exactly the same on all the platforms it's available on.

To say that PC is going to continue to get post-launch support with added content, bug fixes, etc...and console only gets bug fixes is flat out stupid.

I have a feeling there's still something going on behind the scenes of Xbox One title updates...where developers are still hesitant to update the console versions of their games due to some kind of back-end cost being charged by MSFT.

If Diablo 3 for Xbox One isn't going to stay up to date with the PC version, why bother buying it?

 

[Boogdud]

Just to be clear, the version that the console is shipping (2.05) is actually the current PC version. The game isn't shipping with the 'launch' RoS that came out on the PC. It's significantly updated.

Launch version on the pc was something like 2.0.0.19561

Hopefully they will include the new tiered rifts, etc. post launch



edit: saw 2.05 was the current pc version... had to fix.

 

[Santar]

Just to be clear, the version that the console is shipping (2.05) is actually the current PC version. The game isn't shipping with the 'launch' RoS that came out on the PC. It's significantly updated.

Launch version on the pc was something like 2.0.0.19561

Hopefully they will include the new tiered rifts, etc. post launch



edit: saw 2.05 was the current pc version... had to fix.

According to the official website the current version of the PC game is 2.06, which the Ultimate Evil Edition MAY get in a day 1 patch according to Blizz.

Patch 2.1 with all the new content, Tiered Rifts, Legendary Games etc is currently on the test realm on PC.

 

[Kintaro]

PC developer treats console gamers like console developers treat PC gamers: Cash grab release. Film at 11.

Not surprised by this. It'll still sell millions but console gamers aren't where Blizzard's focus lies. Similar to Valve, they use consoles for some extra money while cater to their real audience.

 

[Jimrpg]

I just don't understand why they wouldn't support it? Consoles gamers don't want anything extra, just the same content and fixes as PC gamers.

Obviously if there's no support, why would I even buy it.... Craziness.

Also, I didn't know there was gimped enemy count on d3 last gen consoles. One reason I didn't like dark alliance and champions of north series as much on the ps2. Basically 3 enemies coming up to attack time and time again.... Snore!

So I suppose I will wait for final word on this but seriously, I think they are breaking it to the gamers slowly, and even if they say they are going to support it, I remain sceptical that they are thinking this way. The other thing is, I thought at least for the current gen console versions, they can run their own servers, this would help with a lot of the hacking issues wouldn't it?

 

[velociraptor]

Vs what button jamming with no kiting and ability to aim in the back, yeah so much better..

Also there are more skills related to your keyboard than your mouse by default.

I like console version and local coop but decreased resolution and fps drops (game is bad enough as is) are not something I want all the time.



Wow if this is true more people should be nailing blizzard for a very blantant rip off. Straight up thought ROS was in this game if it's not neogaf and other places should form a boycott or get the word out.

1080p60 on the PS4 seems pretty good to me. Sure the PC controls may be more refined, but for the casual player, I don't think any of that matters.

There aren't too many local co-op games but Diablo 3 looks like it could be a blast.

 

[BPoole]

Makes no sense to buy this on console when this game runs on anything. M+KB is the superior control method for a game like this anyway

 

[Jacksinthe]

Bilzerd, pls.

 

[Alcoholikaust]

Makes no sense to buy this on console when this game runs on anything. M+KB is the superior control method for a game like this anyway

so says someone who hasn't played the console versions

give it a try-it kills the monotony of "click click click die"

 

[Flachmatuch]

I've put hundreds of hours into the console version (well, still playing it a lot). It was the best version of D3 vanilla according to many people who played both. I want UEE to be the same, or almost the same - it should be a great game as it comes, on the disc (or with the day one patch at the latest). If I wanted a constantly patched and rebalanced game, I'd buy it on the PC. Of course I'll miss the new content, but they can just release a new edition and I'll get it then. It should just be balanced for console, with console-like drop rates (which I think are still higher in D3v console than PC ROS even after the bonus was made permanent), higher item stats etc, just like console vanilla. The "real" game is on the PC and people who want to play it should play it on PC. I want a "casualised" console version. I absolutely do NOT want the mess the PC version seems to be in all the time.

Makes no sense to buy this on console when this game runs on anything. M+KB is the superior control method for a game like this anyway

D3 was designed for PC controls, no doubt about that, but the console version is more than playable (although tbh I have no idea how anyone would play an SNS wizard on console eg).

 

[lyrick]

The console versions don't run on Battle.net 2.0, they're on PSN & XBL backbones so not having the upcoming 2.1 content should be obvious.

Outside of the PS3 version of Portal 2 and paid MMOs are there any games that operate entirely on separate server ecosystems/3rd party networks?

 

[Nethaniah]

I absolutely do NOT want the mess the PC version seems to be in all the time.

wat

 

[Boogdud]

Makes no sense to buy this on console when this game runs on anything. M+KB is the superior control method for a game like this anyway

As a player with multiple T6 capable characters and hundreds of hours on the PC version of RoS, the console version is no joke. Controller play is fantastic. Local co-op play + controller play makes double dipping (even with an absurdly overpowered PC) a very easy decision.

 

[Flachmatuch]

wat

I mean the balance issues and that possible playstyles are defined through item bonuses - and stuff that's "not allowed" is simply taken out (like prep/punishment or CM). Maybe it's necessary for the more hardcore PC version, but I don't really like that. They should ship a version of RoS that's as good as the console version of vanilla was. New content is always great but I'd really prefer a game that's awesome immediately, as it is on the disc, and I'm willing to pay for more content.

 

[turnbuckle]

Guess I'm not gonna buy it. Can't game extensively with mouse and keyboard anymore because it wreaks havoc on my hands/wrists. So controller is my only option, but not wasting my time and money if support isn't going to continue after launch

 

[velociraptor]

Guess I'm not gonna buy it. Can't game extensively with mouse and keyboard anymore because it wreaks havoc on my hands/wrists. So controller is my only option, but not wasting my time and money if support isn't going to continue after launch

That is another thing - I use a computer almost all day. I just prefer laying back with a controller in my hand. A controller simply feels much more comfortable.

 

[Nethaniah]

I mean the balance issues and that possible playstyles are defined through item bonuses - and stuff that's "not allowed" is simply taken out (like prep/punishment or CM).

But the problem the console version would have is that it's forever stuck with the balance changes in the latest patch that the game would be shipping with (assuming blizzard doesn't patch) so any positive things that might come afterwards on pc would not be on console.

Knowing Blizzard they are gonna patch the hell out of this game on pc, to not have all that stuff would really make the console not worthwile imo.

 

[Flachmatuch]

But the problem the console version would have is that it's forever stuck with the balance changes in the latest patch that the game would be shipping with (assuming blizzard doesn't patch) so any positive things that might come afterwards on pc would not be on console.

True, and that's why it should be balanced more "casually" imo. There aren't balance issues in the console version because drop rates are higher and items stats are significantly higher than they were on PC.

Knowing Blizzard they are gonna patch the hell out of this game on pc, to not have all that stuff would really make the console not worthwile imo.

I disagree. Why should I care what they do with the PC version in the future as long as they give me a great (awesome, in fact, with the current version) game on console now? That I know is stable and balanced "well enough" and fun? I'm still playing the vanilla version because it's so good, but there's not a single version of D3v on PC that I'd like to play.

 

[Lrrr]

Has there been any PS4/XB1 footage of this game released? I've seen one off-screen gameplay bit, but that's it.

 

[Nethaniah]

True, and that's why it should be balanced more "casually" imo. There aren't balance issues in the console version because drop rates are higher and items stats are significantly higher than they were on PC.



I disagree. Why should I care what they do with the PC version in the future as long as they give me a great (awesome, in fact, with the current version) game on console now? That I know is stable and balanced "well enough" and fun? I'm still playing the vanilla version because it's so good, but there's not a single version of D3v on PC that I'd like to play.

That's fair but i doubt (just looking at this thread) that many share your view on this and i have to say that even if there is something to be said about having a stable version of the game that can't be fucked by updates it is still a terrible move on their part for not even considering to patch stuff and leave it....well, dead in the water.

 

[V_Arnold]

I wonder why this ever turned into "dead on arrival" discussion.
The console versions face an unfortunate reality where Blizzard actually expands on the game with 2.1 with SOCIAL features. Those are not going to be implemented in hacking-paradise, aka offline mode.

So 2.0.6 is as far as the similarities will go. They can eventually ugrade the game with the new drops (when a season ends, new legendaries roll back into the maingame), but if that is the way they are continuing onwards, it is obvious that content patches wont fit on consoles where the main game is so radically different.

MMO's released on consoles are different beasts. Why? Cause they lack offline mode.

My point being: of course they will fix the issues with the game. Content patches and bugfixes are different. The game is in a more proper state with 2.0.5 than the likes of Battlefield 4 will ever be. So do not be afraid.

 

[Flachmatuch]

That's fair but i doubt (just looking at this thread) that many share your view on this and i have to say that even if there is something to be said about having a stable version of the game that can't be fucked by updates it is still a terrible move on their part for not even considering to patch stuff and leave it....well, dead in the water.

I'm pretty sure GAF is not really a representative sample of Diablo players

In any case, I don't think my expectations about a stable version are realistic. My fear is that they're going to release a snapshot of the PC version, add some console-specific changes and leave it in an unbalanced and frankly messy state forever - and I'd definitely prefer PC-style patching to that. The vanilla version on console is really, really, really awesome, one of the best games I've played last gen, so my expectations for UEE are probably way too high. My first preference is to get a version of RoS on PS4 that's as good as the console version of vanilla, in which case, I wouldn't care about patches at all.

 

[mindsale]

Have they discussed how they'll import characters from last gen versions of the game? I have mine saved on the PSN cloud, but I no longer own the PS3 disc.

 

[Spacecowboy77]

I wonder why this ever turned into "dead on arrival" discussion.
The console versions face an unfortunate reality where Blizzard actually expands on the game with 2.1 with SOCIAL features. Those are not going to be implemented in hacking-paradise, aka offline mode.

Finally someone gets it.

The features in 2.1 just would not work right in offline environment. I really don't understand the backlash here. You wouldn't want a ladder system on console if 90% of the players will run around with duped/hacked weapons.

 

[Recall]

At least they are upfront about it, makes for an educated purchase which is always nice.