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(Jul 8-21) The International 2014 DOTA 2 Championships: $10.5 million prize pool

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Nzyme32

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Spookie said:
Where is my DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDU?
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It apparently will be streamed on twitch. I assume also on the mainsite too.

Not gonna be happy with it unless Gabe is dressed as Sand King in a costume that he made himself... and it looks like a 5 year old could do a better job. Then he can comment on it and claim that without Valve time, it wasn't possible for him to make a good product
 
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Schryver

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Darryl said:
i don't think the whole tournament would be faked but you know it isn't crazy to imagine the final 2 teams just agreeing to divide the pot. i've heard stories in esports of people agreeing to stuff like this for far less money. i don't actually play dota2 (i play LoL) so i don't know how unrealistic these matches are, but i've been watching for years and the lack of effort shown here is eerie
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Yeah. The only thing I don't get is why rig it at all? How about the teams just agree to split the money and then the best team earns the title? Or even better, take from poker and secretly (or even make it public) agree that the winner will win 60% and the loser 40% or something. That way they can pick fun heroes and the games would be a lot less crappy than what we just watched
 
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Sothpaw

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The finals were about as bad for Valve as they could have been. First there was no western team in the finals (yes I realize that doesn't matter to most of us but it does matter to Valve because it creates more drama). Second the finals were the most boring TI finals yet.
 
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Dahbomb

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Skittles said:
Yeah, but mid played a fair bigger role in the game instead of just sending a farming carry there. That's where most of the big plays came from. Instead of just rotating supports(those played a role in the last meta, but it is their prime directive in this one).
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I do agree that the strat of sending safe lane carries mid is pretty damn lame (it's even worse sending like a Lycan there) but hey we did get to see Puck in that GF doing some insane work.

The final two games of the Dota 2 grand championship were won without even one single T3 tower going down, let alone rax. WTF is this shit.
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That's because they got stomped hard body.
 
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StarlordDial

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as Wyk said on twitter..

the "dream team" back then when they were making rumors of roster full of stars from other teams teaming up and etc....turns out it wasn't and lot of people were kinda disappointed and etc



now they won ti4.....probably a lot of crow to be eaten it seems
 
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Schryver

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ElyrionX said:
Anyway, forget the corruption argument. That's not what I'm even pissed about. I just think it's a possibility and I acknowledge that slight chance of probability, that's all. I wasn't even the one who brought it up in the first place and I didn't want to be. However, people who think that something like that is utterly and absolutely impossible for whatever reason are just naive and obviously haven't seen much of what goes on in the real world.

My pet peeve from this finals has nothing to do with the stompy games or the "boring" meta. I just think it's a huge disgrace for a professional team to call GG twice in a row before one rax is even down. These guys are supposed to be role models. How many times have you played a pub game and have some idiot on your team call GG early because of some deaths? They're watching this shit and thinking that pros give up early so they should do the same in pubs and not waste their own time. It's fucking infuriating when that happens and this shit happens in the grand fucking final of the showcase competition for the sport. It just reflects very poorly on the players and on the sport.

Think about it. The final two games of the Dota 2 grand championship were won without even one single T3 tower going down, let alone rax. WTF is this shit.
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Did they even kill a T2 in the final game? lol
 
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call_kotaku

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Dreams-Visions said:
Maybe EG gets 3-0'd, but they don't tap out in the Grand Finals in 15 minutes like bitches.
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No, they tap out in 15 minutes in the losers finals Kappa

ElyrionX said:
Anyway, forget the corruption argument. That's not what I'm even pissed about. I just think it's a possibility and I acknowledge that slight chance of probability, that's all. I wasn't even the one who brought it up in the first place and I didn't want to be. However, people who think that something like that is utterly and absolutely impossible for whatever reason are just naive and obviously haven't seen much of what goes on in the real world.
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So you were just arguing for the sake of arguing
 
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FACE

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Dreams-Visions said:
Personally, I can't agree at all. TI4 showed viability for all strats. We saw late game slug fests succeed. We say hard push strats succeed. We saw some split pushing strats succeed too.

Teams just had answers for certain strats that they didn't have last year. In the end, VG just didn't seem to be able to make any gameplay adjustments. They literally rode their style until the wheels fell off.

All I can really say at this point is that I'm truly sad that EG couldn't beat that team. Maybe EG gets 3-0'd, but they don't tap out in the Grand Finals in 15 minutes like bitches. I felt like I was watching a StarCraft finals instead of a Dota 2 International finals.

I'm super-glad I stayed my ass at home this year. I had a bad feeling it would come to this.
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I think EG could've beaten them if not for their greed.
 
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Sgt.Pepper

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Nzyme32 said:
It apparently will be streamed on twitch. I assume also on the mainsite too.

Not gonna be happy with it unless Gabe is dressed as Sand King in a costume that he made himself... and it looks like a 5 year old could do a better job. Then he can comment on it and claim that without Valve time, it wasn't possible for him to make a good product
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Strangely, Sand King IS Gabe's favorite hero.


Well, now I can play other videogames and forget about this shitty finals. I hope.
 
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Radec

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StarlordDial said:
as Wyk said on twitter..

the "dream team" back then when they were making rumors of roster full of stars from other teams teaming up and etc....turns out it wasn't and lot of people were kinda disappointed and etc



now they won ti4.....probably a lot of crow to be eaten it seems
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Newbee is the real Dream Team that gets the job done.

Unlike that fake Dota Kings team.
 
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Deadly

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ElyrionX said:
Anyway, forget the corruption argument. That's not what I'm even pissed about. I just think it's a possibility and I acknowledge that slight chance of probability, that's all. I wasn't even the one who brought it up in the first place and I didn't want to be. However, people who think that something like that is utterly and absolutely impossible for whatever reason are just naive and obviously haven't seen much of what goes on in the real world.

My pet peeve from this finals has nothing to do with the stompy games or the "boring" meta. I just think it's a huge disgrace for a professional team to call GG twice in a row before one rax is even down. These guys are supposed to be role models. How many times have you played a pub game and have some idiot on your team call GG early because of some deaths? They're watching this shit and thinking that pros give up early so they should do the same in pubs and not waste their own time. It's fucking infuriating when that happens and this shit happens in the grand fucking final of the showcase competition for the sport. It just reflects very poorly on the players and on the sport.

Think about it. The final two games of the Dota 2 grand championship were won without even one single T3 tower going down, let alone rax. WTF is this shit.
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1 guy calling gg early in pubs = team of 5 agreeing they loss early and calling gg? Right....
 
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StarlordDial

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Radec said:
Newbee is the real Dream Team that gets the job done.

Unlike that fake Dota Kings team.
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goddamn

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Omotesando

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Cutebrute said:
Even if VG wins most games using a single main strat, if they completely and utterly fall apart to the one team that can counter that strat on two separate occasions, then do they really deserve the win? Also, Newbee came back and won how many Bo3s in a row? I was rooting for VG since the group stages, but Newbee deserved that without question.
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Ooh Newbee definitely deserves the win.

TI4: Newbee >> VG >>>>> the rest.
 
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Lucumo

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Wok said:
Cross-posting since it is so good:
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Yep, I used livestreamer as well. Some guys recommended it back when TI4 started because Twitch stream was rather unstable and there wasn't a single one with 360p available in general.
Also, I use a .bat file to start the stream. It's much faster.
 
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ElyrionX

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call_kotaku said:
So you were just arguing for the sake of arguing
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I just didn't think it should be so easily dismissed outright by anyone. Anything can happen, especially when large sums of money is involved. Maybe it's a professional hazard because I deal with probabilities and tail-risk scenarios in my line of work and many things can happen. Dismissing something highly improbable as outright impossible just promotes lazy thinking and it irks me.
 
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PsychoSoldier

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I feel like part of the issue in any esport, especially of this style, is that the more people look at it and the more money is involved the faster what works best is going to be figured out.

There is always going to be a degree of mechanical skill and game knowledge involved but if something is really really good and effective, it's going to be found out quick, and in the case of Newbee vs VG will be countered quick.
 
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Suzushiiro

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megalowho said:
Yeah.. I enjoyed the group stages and the build up but the main event was a letdown. Only 6 teams, knowing one of the finalists on the first day, finals on Monday early afternoon (couldn't watch). Felt like they ended early each day and could have fit more games in. Compared to EVO the hype paled in comparison, and there were plenty of upsets there too this year for USFIV. Great production value by Valve but I hope they make some changes to the format next time.
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I feel like that's an issue with most tournaments that reserve a separate day just for the grand final match (GSL, LCS)- if the games are a few quick curbstomps then all that hype built up to basically nothing. If the grand final happens on the same day as the games building up to it then while it's still anticlimactic it feels less shitty because at least some the preceding games were probably interesting.

It's an understandable issue when dealing with games like MOBAs and RTSes with such a large variance in length, though- had they scheduled the GFs for Sunday night they'd have risked running way too late due to every Sunday game going to three rounds and dragging on for over an hour.
 
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LiQuid!

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march carax said:
What a fucking embarrassing final. I am actually pissed I contributed to the prize pool for this. Meh.
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Hopefully that'll teach you not to support a game you enjoy in the future. FUCK that!
 
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neurosisxeno

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Sothpaw said:
The finals were about as bad for Valve as they could have been. First there was no western team in the finals (yes I realize that doesn't matter to most of us but it does matter to Valve because it creates more drama). Second the finals were the most boring TI finals yet.
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Valve got a deal with ESPN, and having a bunch of interviews with Chinese players/teams does not play into their core audience very well. Audiences in the West are more likely to watch a tournament finals that involves Western Teams. It's similar to how World Cup viewership in the US dropped like a rock after the US was eliminated. People are more inclined to watch televised events that they can relate to. This isn't all American's being racist or xenophobic, it's the fact that it's easier mentally to root for someone who grew up in a place you know of an have potentially even walked through, then someone who grew up on the other side of the planet. On top of all that, watching post game interviews done through translators is not enjoyable for most audiences. I don't expect players from all around the world to know English, but I'm looking at the situation objectively, and it's a major turnoff for the average viewer.

The finals was very anti-climactic. Everyone knew Newbee had the game from the first set of picks. How do you lose 2 straight games with Sylar on a NP and pick almost the exact same lineup while giving up almost the exact same lineup? Not to mention for the core audience of DotA fans we had TI3 last year, which had an amazing finish. This year? We had a 15th minute GG in game 4. I understand the stakes are high and Newbee was playing for a lot of money, but as a spectator 5 man deathball is not fun to watch. You know by the 8-10 minute mark who's going to win. There was more coverage of TI this year than any previous year, and it all built up to a finals game that was depressingly uneventful and filled with horrible misplays and bad decisions.
 
Haunted

Haunted

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Reading the last couple pages I do feel vindicated in my decision to not watch the finals. :lol


So, on a happier note - what was everyone's favourite game of the tournament?
 
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