I'm a Nintendo fan at heart, so no.
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Nintendo FY14 Q1: 0.82M 3DS, 0.51M Wii U, MK8 2.82M shipped, 10 billion yen loss
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I'm a Nintendo fan at heart, so no.
Not quite. What Nintendo do best is comingling hardware and software successfully. It's not just "Oh Nintendo make great games". They make great hardware, too. It's just the industry has shifted to be all about the specs, the frames per second, the native resolution etc. over games and so forth.
Basileus777
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Yet the 2DS was a failure. It shows that price alone isn't everything.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Everyone is in the end. Nintendo Playstation
Haven't read every comment, but no one seems to understand how these numbers work. They are Nintendo's *guesses* about what the channel needs. If there is a lot of inventory in the channel, they don't need to ship much new product. As far as I can tell, Nintendo sold every single MK8 bundle they shipped. So either they guessed a bit low, or they hoped folks would settle for some of the older inventory once the MK8 bundles were gone. But whatever the story, shipped numbers really don't tell you anything if you don't know the inventory situation.
No they don't. They haven't for years. The 3DS is one of the worst pieces of hardware they've ever released.
Of course it is.
I actually completely disagree, but yeah, you keep going with your narrative
No, they don't. Unless you get your kicks from 'efficiency' or 'suitably rugged for small children'.
They make shit hardware and their services are years behind their competition. I think that's why so many wish they'd just go third party.
Of course the price isn't everything. 2DS, like Vita 2000 is just a cheaper version of the same thing launched later. It's a price cut that doesn't reduce too much the hardware's profitability, but it doesn't bring that much on the consumer's side. Plus the 3ds was already priced reasonably and sold quite a lot meanwhile, so 2DS was mostly for impulse buyers.
My point was more towards the fact that Nintendo hardware seems to have a price ceiling for the typical Nintendo consumer and anything launched above that is prone to fail.
Broken Hope
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How can you class outdated and overpriced hardware as great? Take the Wii U for example, if they are going to release a console that is barely more powerful than the PS3/360 they can't then release it at a price that at the time was only £50 less expensive than a PS4 at launch, when the Wii U is vastly inferior.
Nobody would mind Nintendo's instance on releasing outdated hardware if it was priced accordingly.
Eolz
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No Q&A I think.
Zeyphersan
Banned
So when's the next Nintendo Direct?
Hopefully/probably August.
Of course it is.
I actually completely disagree, but yeah, you keep going with your narrative
I'm not talking out of my ass. I've owned every major Nintendo handheld and revision from the first Gameboy to the DSi XL. The 3DS was the first I didn't purchase, and justifiably so. I used a friends and hated it. When I finally bought a 3DS XL, I returned it two weeks later. It's uncomfortable, poorly made, and the screen tech is unforgivable.
That combined with their painful inability to sort out their services means they've lost a lifelong customer.
McHuj
Member
Spot on.
I picked up a WiiU this summer and every tier I turn it on, I wish I could play Mario on my PS4 instead. Like the games but hate the hardware.
Outdated is relative. In specs, sure, it's underpowered compared to its competitors. However, what it does it does far more efficiently than the 360/PS3. The GamePad is also modern technology with no latency. People need to stop using spec numbers as evidence of being "outdated".
In price, it's not overpriced, which is why it was being sold at a loss until very recently.
What actual difference does it make to you as a consumer when you have both? Why do you wish you could play it on the PS4 instead when it's running really well, locked 60fps and looks fantastic. What would make it better on the PS4?
I don't know about the former, but regarding the latter, Fatal Frame 5 doesn't show up on any list, not even the japanese one... so that means there's still hope!
jk...ButHopefully!
As I recall, there is typically no IR event other than PDFs being posted for the first quarter of the fiscal year.
Correct, again by my recollection.
flatearthpandas
Member
There is more to the console than raw power. It takes a PS4 + Vita to get a worse version of the Wii U experience from a control, IQ, and FPS perspective, with variable results in range depending on internet speed and router.
Just because it turns out almost no one gives a shit about this functionality doesn't make the hardware bad. Just ill conceived for the mass market.
Realistic shot. In the software listings today, it still says Holiday 2014 for NA while January 2015 for EU
BriareosGAF
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The numbers are weak?! You're weak!
Sorry. But yeah these are tepid, just enough to make you not conclude they're completely screwed and it's over, but not enough to think things are long-term positive. It's almost as bad as a 125GeV Higgs boson, so indecisive.
McHuj
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I find the experience of the Nintendo OS to be terrible and incredibly slow.
I don't know why we should expect it at this point, if they were really going to delay it, the list would have already reflected it.
With Quick Start now, though, it takes all of 15 seconds to go from pressing the power button to being in Super Mario 3D World...
It's not as slow as people make it out to be.
Conversely, I have played many PS4 games that take forever to load, upwards of a minute. Guess it's just differing experiences, though.
Can you link the software chart? Don't see it in the pdf in the OP.
But how efficient it is has absolutely no bearing on anything but an almost imperceptible blip on my electricity bill. And if we're talking efficiency, they could have done a whole lot better going ARM and ditching IBM and their dead-end Power architecture.
And it is overpriced. The fact they paid nearly Xbox One APU pricing for Xbox 360 tech, albeit with utterly pointless Wii compatibility and the ability to put it in a tiny box doesn't mean anything to consumers. At all.
Bluemercury
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Gamecube was always better built than ps2 so yeah you're wrong....i do wish the Gamepad was of the same materials as the gamecube pad.
Well the update allowed you to boot right into the game. It isn't perfect but there it is. Skip the whole OS.
Broken Hope
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Part of the GamePad is modern technology, that part being the communication protocol, everything else about the GamePad is years old, low res shitty screen, no multi-touch etc.
If the Wii U was being sold at a loss then Nintendo really needs to get better contracts for purchasing parts since the PS4 isn't making a loss as far as I'm aware and includes much more modern tech, with more and more expensive memory, an included HDD etc.
ShadowElliot
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Captain Toad will have a shot of releasing in NA during this holiday. I believe!
Of course it is.
I actually completely disagree, but yeah, you keep going with your narrative
The screen is horribly low-res and the systems has one of the worst designed operating systems I've seen in a modern technology product. Praising Nintendo for their current hardware or even their pricing decisions related to hardware is like congratulating Microsoft to their customer orientation with their original X1 plans. In other words, it makes you look like a maniac
Backwards compatibility is utterly pointless now? Really? That's what you think as a consumer?
Spieler Eins
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The screen is horribly low-res and the systems has one of the worst designed operating systems I've seen in a modern technology product. Praising Nintendo for their current hardware or even their pricing decisions related to hardware is like congratulating Microsoft to their customer orientation with their original X1 plans. In other words, it makes you look like a maniac
Just wait for the WiiU OS if you should ever see it. Literally a (strikingly) worse version of what you have on the 3DS.
Broken Hope
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When backwards compatibility holds back the entire system, means it can't have a better processor and actually have a chance of decent third party support then I can' t see how it's a good thing?
Does your average consumer care more about having a decent stream of games coming out on their console of choice, or being able to play games from a console they still currently own?
The screen is horribly low-res and the systems has one of the worst designed operating systems I've seen in a modern technology product. Praising Nintendo for their current hardware or even their pricing decisions related to hardware is like congratulating Microsoft to their customer orientation with their original X1 plans. In other words, it makes you look like a maniac
What is so bad about it?
You're using specs as classification for tech. Efficiency is important. Just chasing the raw figures number is getting ridiculous. Look at all the Xbox One VS PS4 stuff that's going on.
Efficiency is also important for the company. Nintendo go with what Gunpei Yokoi & Nintendo called the "lateral thinking with withered technology" strategy. Going with older tech and using it in new, cost effective, ways. It's what they did with the GameBoy. If Nintendo went the way MS and Sony have been doing, they'd be bankrupt and dead now. Look at all the losses of the PS3 and Xbox 360. That level of loss-leading damaged the industry, and it's continuing, albeit to a lesser extent thanks to off-the-shelf parts in the PS4 and Xbox One.
Going this route also helps with the overly inflating budgets of game development these days. The budgets are getting higher and higher with less returns. Look how many developers folded last gen, and how many are commenting on increasing budgets this gen. We're bound to have loads more closures, mark my words.
Wii and Wii U are sort of counter to that, but developers ignore it because, at least in the west, they're following the "more power philosophy". To me, it seems like Nintendo are trying to stave off and redirect a coming crash in the industry.
But I digress, that's just how I see it.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/140730_2e.pdf
Both are just as important, As a consumer, I don't have any reason to want to make choices.
Backwards compatibility is a consumer friendly feature, which is something I would never call "utterly pointless", so don't even try to spin that.
an expensive underpowered console bundled with a pad of limited range, awful screen, obsolete touchscreen and slow os is a great product?
Using hardware compellingly in their games is part of what makes them great in making games.
holy shit! that's good stuff
Awful screen and limited range is relative. I get great range from my GamePad and the screen is fine.
How is the touchscreen obsolete? Because it's not capacitive? Capacitive is so inaccurate.
The OS also isn't slow anymore...
I'm not sure whether you have used any modern OS in the past few years, but here are some reasons:
- It's damn slow (Miiverse, web browser, eShop)
- Only one app can be used at a time
- Lacks standard features for online contacts (heck, you can't even contact the people in your friends list)
- In the music player, finding songs isn't made easy at all
- I better don't even start to talk about the camera ugh
Broken Hope
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Efficiency is important yes, which is why the PS4 doesn't use much more power than the PS3 and yet is much more capable.
What gain is there for the Wii U only using 40 Watts of power? They could have doubled that to 80 Watts, still have been the console that used the least amount of power and yet could have been much more powerful.
The OS is still slow, have they sped it up? Sure, but it still takes over 10 seconds to enter and exit something as simple as the settings menu, something that is instant on the PS4, the PS3 too for that matter.
GregLombardi
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So just with cash alone, they could survive 32 quarters of this same performance.
They are a company that dislikes taking losses, and has shown in the past that they will avoid them at all costs.
They have smash bros. this year.
They have also launched Mario Kart 8.
They're still near their 10 year low in stock price.
They have some of the most powerful brands in the world.
So we're supposed to expect this to continue, though?
They are a company that dislikes taking losses, and has shown in the past that they will avoid them at all costs.
They have smash bros. this year.
They have also launched Mario Kart 8.
They're still near their 10 year low in stock price.
They have some of the most powerful brands in the world.
So we're supposed to expect this to continue, though?