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Resident Evil HD Remaster confirmed for PS3/PS4/360/XB1/PC
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I meant shadows caused by the environment. IE a chair casting a shadow on the ground, but I think you answered that question as well.
The Praiseworthy
Member
This jumped to be my "MOST" anticipated close release game.
I never owned GC or Wii and I finished the game only ONE time a decade ago and ever since the beginning of the HD era I kept dreaming for an HD remaster... and with each passing year I lose more hope till I've lost it completely and given up.
Till last week I kept dreaming for this to come true some day and it suddenly did
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So... this is my most anticipated game for the upcoming releases and all what I can think about these days.
The first trailer will hit me so hard like no other trailer in a very long time... will probably watch it over and over again for many times.
I never owned GC or Wii and I finished the game only ONE time a decade ago and ever since the beginning of the HD era I kept dreaming for an HD remaster... and with each passing year I lose more hope till I've lost it completely and given up.
Till last week I kept dreaming for this to come true some day and it suddenly did
"So... this is my most anticipated game for the upcoming releases and all what I can think about these days.
The first trailer will hit me so hard like no other trailer in a very long time... will probably watch it over and over again for many times.
Most of those shadows are also pre-rendered, if im thinking of the same thing you are.
I doubt this will do well though, the current RE fans expect non tank controls and shooter mechanics, so it will either do well because people expected something else or it won't because they know what it is.
I would be ok with this though.
Opening scene
I would much prefer the remakes to render the game in 3D with fixed camera angles like Code Veronica.
You guys were just too lazy to unlock the true Jessica.
i like that costume somewhat but also think it's really weird because she's supposed to be part of a bioterrorism unit and she's wearing like an air stewardess outfit
in comparison the other characters are wearing this
yeah i get it she's supposed to be a femme fatale to some degree and the scenario those outfits exist in is like a surprise 'we're under attack oh shit!' scenario but it's so weird. at least put on a vest, lady! even the other shitty appeal character in RE1 (rebecca) was wearing a dang vest
she's easily the worst part of revelations though character-wise despite also being the most hilarious because of chris continually brushing her off nonstop
Probably, but one of the trailer for the game was a visit of the mansion in full 3d. So these environements at least were fully created in 3d. I don't know about the rest of the game though.
Nemesis_
Member
If you read my post you would know I was talking about RE1 not RE5. I didn't say series, I said game.
ZombiU was one of the most frightening games I've ever played because of the way it leveraged your attention between the GamePad and the screen.
RE5 was just a completely different ball park because the game outfitted you with so much shit there was barely any tension, if any. And I say this as an egregious fan of Resident Evil 5.
REmake on the other hand is actually tense and scary.
Neff
Member
Well RE-REmake isn't going to be a retail game for one thing, at least not outside of Japan, which means that the cost of manufacturing, shipping and store promoting is removed. So if it's being sold digitally, budget versus install base becomes the bottom line. But like I said, I think this is going to be more expensive than the average port since asset creation and amendment is involved, in addition to the usual task of attempting to get the engine running optimally on new hardware. If there's a legit reason why there's no Wii U version, it's because the figures don't add up yet, but hopefully that may change.
I'm buying it on PS4 anyway.
They are upscaling the backgrounds and porting the game to MT Framework, something Capcom has done multiple times in the past see: CV, RE4. I think you are consistently overestimating the cost of this release.
Not bad for a bit of an upgrade actually.Just found a picture of the upgraded Jill.... besides the updated rpd logo patches
Original
Remaster
Looks like some sort of cel-shading effect...definitely not a fan of this filter.
Hoping there will be more upgrades with the current gen versions.
RE4 was never ported to MT Framework, and Capcom has not confirmed if they're updating the old engine or using another engine for REmaster.
Besides, I don't imagine porting any game over to another engine is an easy task.
carbonbased
Member
I am going to play the shit out of this
Physical PS3 release in Japan is the only physical release. All other releases will be digital-only. Unless they change their mind before release.
I think the upscaling technique of Capcom is very good. The best I could get from this image at 2x is worse than what Capcom got.
See,
Original from GC:
2x upscaling using my own Jinc2 implementation:
Capcom's technique (3x and cropped horizontally):
I'm a bit amazed how they scaled the very steep straight lines in this example image (look at the spears), and got no halos or jaggies at all. It's clear they have used some kind of selective bloom (just see around the bright spots, sculpture, for example) and changed the color temperature. I think they have used some advanced algorithm based on splines or neural nets to get those lines perfectly straight, because I can't think of any known linear technique which can keep that.
See,
Original from GC:
2x upscaling using my own Jinc2 implementation:
Capcom's technique (3x and cropped horizontally):
I'm a bit amazed how they scaled the very steep straight lines in this example image (look at the spears), and got no halos or jaggies at all. It's clear they have used some kind of selective bloom (just see around the bright spots, sculpture, for example) and changed the color temperature. I think they have used some advanced algorithm based on splines or neural nets to get those lines perfectly straight, because I can't think of any known linear technique which can keep that.
Right on. Thanks.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Our only hope is that the PS3 SKU in JP surpasses expectations and Capcom decides to localise it.
Fancy Clown
Member
Yeah fuck those spiders. I just run by them every single time. Luckily you never face them in a really cramped hallway like in 3 and REmake.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
I liked Revelations for what it was >_>
A $10 3DS game that I got when there was nothing else.
FairXchange
Member
Count me in for day one, and bring on more remasters. By the end of this new gen I hope my Ps4 and Xbox One will be home to a diverse and deep gaming library.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think the upscaling technique of Capcom is very good. The best I could get from this image at 2x is worse than what Capcom got.
See,
Original from GC:
2x upscaling using my own Jinc2 implementation:
Capcom's technique (3x and cropped horizontally):
I'm a bit amazed how they scaled the very steep straight lines in this example image (look at the spears), and got no halos or jaggies at all. It's clear they have used some kind of selective bloom (just see around the bright spots, sculpture, for example) and changed the color temperature. I think they have used some advanced algorithm based on splines or neural nets to get those lines perfectly straight, because I can't think of any known linear technique which can keep that.
Thank you.
Finally someone who's actually appreciating the effort being put to clear up 480p pre-rendered backgrounds into 720p and retaining as much quality (and improving lighting etc) as possible.
Re-rendering the entire backgrounds, like a lot of folk here want, would make this a Re-REMake instead of a Remaster, and that would take way too long of a time.
PensivePen
Member
Yeah, the more I see other attempts to upscale these backgrounds the clearer it becomes that Capcom has made a real attempt to make them look good themselves. It's very unfortunate there aren't any better files for them to work with, but that seems like a problem that plagued the whole Japanese industry at the time.
The Praiseworthy
Member
I think the upscaling technique of Capcom is very good. The best I could get from this image at 2x is worse than what Capcom got.
See,
Original from GC:
2x upscaling using my own Jinc2 implementation:
Capcom's technique (3x and cropped horizontally):
I'm a bit amazed how they scaled the very steep straight lines in this example image (look at the spears), and got no halos or jaggies at all. It's clear they have used some kind of selective bloom (just see around the bright spots, sculpture, for example) and changed the color temperature. I think they have used some advanced algorithm based on splines or neural nets to get those lines perfectly straight, because I can't think of any known linear technique which can keep that.
See... From the start I've been saying that they are really making the best out of they got.
I'm very sure the game will end up looking decent in the end.
I hope they show a gameplay footage in the upcoming days at gamescom and don't make us wait till TGS.
There are pretty impressive algorithms for offline upsampling these days:
http://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~vision/SingleImageSR.html
For me that was 'not REORC' and 'not RE6'.
Yes, I knew about these new SR techniques from Israel (Glasner, Fattal, etc), and they're non linear. Based on the images available for this Remake HD, it's clear they're using multiple techniques (bloom, color tweak, etc) and a non-linear upscaling technique. Probably this Glasner's technique isn't available for free and Capcom is using some own technique. What amazes me is how the lines are kept straight independent of the angle and no halos or jaggies are introduced (Maybe do they indeed have a bit bigger resolution assets than the GC ones?)
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
WTF, there's literally no increase in detail whatsoever. They just increased the contrast.
If Final Fantasy X HD could go back and re-render those pre-rendered assets, then they can do it here too. The whole point of a re-master is to go back to master files and get better quality - that's literally the definition of the word.
Who cares how great they managed to upscale? It still doesn't change the fact that the title of the game is a lie. This is neither HD nor a remaster.
JonathanPower
Member
I think the upscaling technique of Capcom is very good. The best I could get from this image at 2x is worse than what Capcom got.
See,
Original from GC:
2x upscaling using my own Jinc2 implementation:
Capcom's technique (3x and cropped horizontally):
I'm a bit amazed how they scaled the very steep straight lines in this example image (look at the spears), and got no halos or jaggies at all. It's clear they have used some kind of selective bloom (just see around the bright spots, sculpture, for example) and changed the color temperature. I think they have used some advanced algorithm based on splines or neural nets to get those lines perfectly straight, because I can't think of any known linear technique which can keep that.
Of course they are not upscaling low resolution images as you did.
I'm a bit lost here. Which part in FFX that is pre-render background? Isn't the whole game full 3D ?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Final Fantasy X had areas that were pre-rendered (mostly house interiors, some exterior parts).
EDIT: Though to be fair I think Square had a higher quality assets to start with than Capcom does. Another example would be Nintendo, who re-created every pre-rendered scene in Ocarina of Time over to normal 3D for the 3DS release. I don't expect that level of effort here, but something comparable to make this worth the 4000 yen they're charging in Japan.
I have this doubt. I'm not so sure as you are. Some parts of the image looks indeed upscaled, and others looks like they were high res patches taken from other source and pasted over the image (hence the no halo or no jaggy introduced). Maybe they're only working hard on the relevant edges of the images? It would reduce most of the work load.
Hours Left
Member
Throwaway123456789
Member
It sure looks that way. They might have some very slightly larger images to work with, but it seems like they are basing everything on the original GCN backgrounds.
Which means they've lost the rendered assets. Which sucks.
Oh right. Just google it and see some of the screenshots. It's long enough for me to forget that game also has some pre-rendered bgs. Do we ever have the comparison shots for those bgs? I wanna see how it looks like if people claim Square Enix re-render it. Try to search for it but couldn't find any.
I don't want to imagine how messy all of these stuffs were maintained, seeing the original Studio 4 was re-structured and part of the staff go to Clover which later closed and gone. Actually losing asset in IT company is more common than you expect.
Still prefer Capcom to re-render the whole thing if they can. But not expecting that to happen with limit budget and time like this. Will wait and see how the scaling approach turns out.
BTW, they don't annouce price in the west yet. Not sure why people jump the gun with JP price (which normally a lot more expensive than US). But I guess at this rate, people will still find the way to complain even if they give it for free. It's Capcom after all.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
That's a very ridiculous way of looking at things. People have very specific and well-informed issues with this release. This isn't blind hate against Capcom. They're framing this release as something it isn't, at least according to the evidence shown.
Neff
Member
I think such improvement is only possible by scaling the image generally, then retouching areas your eye will be drawn to (contrasting edges, ornate or decorative elements) by hand. This and the graveyard shot I posted earlier with the redrawn tree branches leads me to believe that quite a bit of artistic work is being put into this port.
When people start claiming Capcom could re-render the whole game within a month? Im not sure who is more ridiculous sir.
I dont care whats it called. I dont even know if i will buy this game. But i dont see the reason why I should hate this game (or Capcom in general). I am reasonable enough to understand if they really cant actually re-master as it should. Or even if they choose not to do it it is their choice. And it is also my choice not to buy if it doesnt look good enough. But im not going to get mad at them. That is real ridiculius. You must be really blind if you dont see the side effect of Crapcom reputation affect on people attitude in this community.
it doesn't look scary though and there's hardly any atmosphere plus not having any fixed angles changes it too much for me anyways
I think they just bought a decent resizing tool. There are many commercially available (e.g. Photozoom Pro, Perfect Resize), and they cost a (relative) pittance for a purpose like this.
you gotta consider that the thing is a fan project, haha
imagine it with proper lighting, set props, sound design etc. the kind of atmosphere setting tone you'd imagine in a polished, proper game rather than a quick concept thrown together
though in regards to 'scary': i think re2's tone a lot more 'action'-esque rather than the really creepy re1 atmosphere. the kinda sequel act of upping the ante and increasing the action definitely applied to that game and frankly i seriously think re2 and 3 share more with 4 than 1 in the core game progression/design and more 'action-y' tone (based around that engine and concept)
and honestly i think if this fails (i really don't think it will either!) it'll be due to capcom's bad reputation rather than anything related to series expectations. pretty much every single person purchasing a resident evil game has some idea of RE1/REmake i think
Looking at other shots, like this:
I think you're right. The overall blob artifacts and posterize are very Photozoom-ish. Photozoom uses some proprietary spline technique. I would prefer a jinc upscale technique (also known as sinc-windowed sinc or EWA-lanczos in other apps), which gives a more natural look, though a little bit more blurred, jagged and 'haloed'.
Fancy Clown
Member
Gonna have to disagree with all of this, haha. 2 definitely keeps a creepy atmosphere, from the desolate abandoned streets of raccoon city to the abandoned police station that has zombie hands popping out of boarded up windows while creepy ass music plays. It certainly has more action than 1, and you could argue its less creepy overall, but it still has very much the same designe philosophy. RE3 as well. They have the same level progression, slower pace, emphasis on puzzles/exploration, and resource management. The only difference between 1 and 2/3 is that 2&3 throw more enemies at you and give more ammo to compensate.