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Is Hideo Kojima Hollywood now?

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JP

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"Hollywood" is no measure of quality when it comes to entertainment. It's the same as judging good restraunts by comparing them to the food at McDonalds, it's worthless.
 
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Glass Rebel

Member
Not even close. Yes, he's very much influenced by Hollywood and movies in general. but anyone who has played his games will tell you that he still puts a heavy emphasis on gameplay and "silly" stuff. Look at all the cardboard box stuff and the fulton. He's still a game director first.
 
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the_batman

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JP said:
"Hollywood" is no measure of quality when it comes to entertainment. It's the same as judging good restraunts by comparing them to the food at McDonalds, it's worthless.
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i don't think he's talking about quality, he means mainstream.
 
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Akiller

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As Kojima said during an interview, he always try to bring into his games what he feels from watching movies. That's his ability, adapt movie features to the videogame medium without slaying them each other. (hope i explained it well xD)
 
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Nightengale

Member
Callibretto said:
Kojima also happen to be genius game designer, his movie obsession just add on top of his already great game.

That said, I think Cage are also great in what he does, the emotion he can pull out of me in his game like Heavy Rain are still very powerful to me.
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Pretty much.

Even outside of cutscenes and codecs, Kojima makes effing awesome games. Stellar game mechanics, amazing level design and masterful boss fights/set-pieces. And his obsessiveness over details creates a level of polish and depth into his game world and interactiveness that can only be found in Kojima's games.

It's a pity that Kojima is sometimes seen as just 'hurr movies cutscenes.' It couldn't be further from the truth.
 
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Discotheque

Banned
Acrylic7 said:
Was talking with my friend about something similar a month ago.
Its obvious this guy wants to make movies Imo. Well thats the impression I get from watching his long ass trailers and the "directed by Kojima" stamp on most of them.
Its only a matter of time before he throws out one of his screenplays (Yes I believe he has secretly written some stuff) at Hollywood.
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i love mgs 1-3. but good lord, this man's hollywood screenplay would be kurt wimmer levels of dogshit and lack of self-awareness.
 
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UltraGunner

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TransientDreamer said:
Always found it interesting how Kojima talks about how much he's influenced by films, and you can see that influence in his games, and we praise him.

David Cage is very much in the same boat, though his games aren't as good (however, I wouldn't call them bad), and he gets absolutely shit on.
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That's because Kojima never forgot he was making a game and always made sure his gameplay was top notch.
 
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Discotheque

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TransientDreamer said:
Always found it interesting how Kojima talks about how much he's influenced by films, and you can see that influence in his games, and we praise him.

David Cage is very much in the same boat, though his games aren't as good (however, I wouldn't call them bad), and he gets absolutely shit on.
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they both have pretty cornball "drama" scenes. but at least kojima's games have a pretty fun backbone of gameplay behind them.

all david cage has is interactive movies, and very poor ones at that. his studio is even worse than ninja theory.

last of us is probably the only game in the last few years that really impressed me with it's presentation.
 
C

ComputerMKII

Banned
He's just following David Cage's steps.

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Protagonist Jake

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funkypie said:
his hollywood obsession is what turned him into a hack.

He can stay there for all I care.
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A hack who makes some of the best gameplay experiences out there, while near flawlessly intograting them with his sometimes admittedly too stupid stories.
That's much more than you can say about actual hacks like The Order guys who literally just want to make a movie but are just for it "gameplay" on their cause, and I quote "it's a game, so we have to".

Then again it's not like he ever really wanted to work on these stories past 3 on the first place so... Yeah.
Maybe if people didn't find the need to send the man DEATH threats because they weren't getting their precious continuation to MGS2, completing missing the damn point of that game btw...

This world's stupid.
 
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funkypie

Banned
Protagonist Jake said:
A hack who makes some of the best gameplay experiences out there, while near flawlessly intograting them with his sometimes admittedly too stupid stories.
That's much more than you can say about actual hacks like The Order guys who literally just want to make a movie but are just for it "gameplay" on their cause, and I quote "it's a game, so we have to".

Then again it's not like he ever really wanted to work on these stories past 3 on the first place so... Yeah.
Maybe if people didn't find the need to send the man DEATH threats because they weren't getting their precious continuation to MGS2, completing missing the damn point of that game btw...

This world's stupid.
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you're calling the order guys hacks when the game isn't even out yet, ok.

MGS2 was a good game but lets be honest, the story was jokes.

regardless of mgs 4 awful story, it was an actual movie (horrible one at that) lacking any good gameplay.
 
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CosmicGroinPull

Member
Protagonist Jake said:
A hack who makes some of the best gameplay experiences out there, while near flawlessly intograting them with his sometimes admittedly too stupid stories.
That's much more than you can say about actual hacks like The Order guys who literally just want to make a movie but are just for it "gameplay" on their cause, and I quote "it's a game, so we have to".

Then again it's not like he ever really wanted to work on these stories past 3 on the first place so... Yeah.
Maybe if people didn't find the need to send the man DEATH threats because they weren't getting their precious continuation to MGS2, completing missing the damn point of that game btw...

This world's stupid.
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I agree wholeheartedly with you about Kojima, but how bout you give the 'hacks like The Order guys' a chance and wait for their game to come out before judging? Says the man who laments the state of the world... *sob*

Also, can't wait for the day Kojima body-scans *insert famous actress of choice*
 
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Empty

Member
kojima is too weird to be hollywood, really. nicolas winding refn really likes him and i think they're on a similar level.
 
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Ratrat

Member
Discotheque said:
they both have pretty cornball "drama" scenes. but at least kojima's games have a pretty fun backbone of gameplay behind them.

all david cage has is interactive movies, and very poor ones at that. his studio is even worse than ninja theory.

last of us is probably the only game in the last few years that really impressed me with it's presentation.
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Have you played Spec Ops? Red Dead Redemption? I'm not even sure the Last of us is a huge step from Bioshock.
 
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Death Metalist

Member
" So close no matter how far
Couldn't be much more from the heart
Forever trusting who we are
And nothing else matters "

He's close but still far at the same time. It certainly is better than nothing though. Still salty about DH but i'm team A so we'll see.
 
Vigilant Walrus

Vigilant Walrus

Member
Hideo Kojima Speaks About The Matrix
Is Hideo Kojima's next game going to be based on The Matrix? Nope. Find out the details inside.
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by Yukiyoshi Ike Sato on October 5, 1999


The latest issue of Famitsu featured a special interview with Hideo Kojima (director of Konami's Metal Gear Solid) and the Wachowski brothers (directors of the film The Matrix). Apparently, Kojima has been exchanging letters with the Wachowskis for quite some time, but he finally met them in person during the interview. The Wachowski Brothers, who play video games, said that after directing The Matrix, the first game they played was Metal Gear Solid.

Kojima and the Wachowski brothers talked about how their work shared some similarities. Kojima made a very interesting comment: "I have seen the movie four times (laughs). I like this type of work. What I was planning to do in my next project, they pretty much made into a motion picture. We were planning on certain things like characters running on walls and such, but they've beat me to it (laughs)."

Sorry folks, it's not what you have been thinking. It would be a great project if Hideo Kojima were to work on The Matrix video game, but we'll have to wait and see what his real next project is. Stay tuned.
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Link; http://www.gamespot.com/articles/hideo-kojima-speaks-about-the-matrix/1100-2448486/




Also according to his imdb biography;

Approached by the Watchowski Brothers to work in the production team of "The Matrix Reloaded" and "The Matrix Revolutions"
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His 5 favorite movies include Blade Runner, Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior, Heaven and Hell, Taxi Driver and 2001: A Space Oddesey. Heaven and Hell is the only film in his list that is Japanese.
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Chance Hale

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Cow Mengde said:
Well, he's not very good at making games, so might as well make some movies.
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His games have the most intricate mechanics in any third person game out and there and have almost single handily kept the stealth genre alive. Even if you think the MGS's cinematic ambitions are silly or poorly handled they're incredibly games with an attention to detail and open ended nature in regards to the combat(or non) options unmatched by any other series.
 
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Chance Hale

Member
RiggyRob said:
Y'know, I've always wondered how the double standard for Kojima and for example David Cage came about.
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I don't think it's really a double standard. I am a fan of Cage and enjoy his games a lot but at the end of the day if you remove Metal Gear Solid's cinematics you have very mechanic focused games. On the other hand in Cage's games the gameplay has much more in common with adventure games(although they're very much their own thing) and is very intimately tied to the story. If you think MGS is stupid you can always ignore the story but you can't do that with any of Cage's games.
 
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diamount

Banned
RiggyRob said:
Y'know, I've always wondered how the double standard for Kojima and for example David Cage came about.
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Because Kojima's games while generally having crappy stories make up for it in the fun department. David Cage games have been lessening in quality with each iteration.
 
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thunder_snail

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RiggyRob said:
Y'know, I've always wondered how the double standard for Kojima and for example David Cage came about.
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Play his games. Therre are just so many things to do. Also he's not only about MGS. Play ZOE2 and see how well he can make action games. There are no other mech games that play as well as ZOE2.
 
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dragonbane

Member
ricochetguro said:
I don't think it's really a double standard. I am a fan of Cage and enjoy his games a lot but at the end of the day if you remove Metal Gear Solid's cinematics you have very mechanic focused games. On the other hand in Cage's games the gameplay has much more in common with adventure games(although they're very much their own thing) and is very intimately tied to the story. If you think MGS is stupid you can always ignore the story but you can't do that with any of Cage's games.
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Well, with MGS4 he came awfully close to an interactive movie in terms of cutscene/gameplay ratio. I really enjoyed it overall, but the gameplay sections were not particularly amazing and great in numbers.


Discotheque said:
all david cage has is interactive movies
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You should play some Omikron.


diamount said:
Because Kojima's games while generally having crappy stories make up for it in the fun department. David Cage games have been lessening in quality with each iteration.
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Eh, I would say it goes up and down really.
 
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