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[chaobreaker]

I think some folks here are mad and realizing just how strangley, deceptively intelligent 4chan actually is. The hate, trolling, vitriol, bitterness and indifference is just a façade. There are a lot of smart, very reasonable folks there. Hell, most users are.

I don't it's very reasonable or intelligent to think you're fighting a war against feminists and SJWs (ie people you don't like).

Just look at how they react to people like Anita Sarkessian.

 

[Trace]

They might be dicks but I gotta hand it to them, this is some next level shit.

Glorious. As much as I usually detest 4chan, I find this whole thing hilarious.

 

[bigkrev]

Yeah, the VICE writer acts like there's no legitimate reason for /v/ picking this particular charity/cause.

Here's the tweets that have been linked in past threads.

I know these things exist to warp a narrative/aren't telling the whole story, but this combined with the one she had with Jason Schreier of Kotaku a day ago... man, she might need a lesson or 2 on social media.

 

[TC McQueen]

I think some folks here are mad and realizing just how strangley, deceptively intelligent 4chan actually is. The hate, trolling, vitriol, bitterness and indifference is just a façade. There are a lot of smart, very reasonable folks there. Hell, most users are.

As a guy who regularly posts there, I can attest to that. It's just a matter of finding those individuals, which can be insanely hard given the amount of threads on each board.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

/v/ is not a hivemind right?
So...

 

[Murder. She Wrote]

TFYC received plenty of criticism for embracing Vivian, of course, and responded by saying—and this is a quote—“when you say that 4chan cannot take part in a project, you are oppressing them.” And that was when my brain said, “So long, world, it’s been fun,” and leaped to its own death.

I can't.

 

[atr0cious]

The sentence immediately following this on their IndieGogo campaign:

So what, because they're using women means nothing. It's what Zoe's binders tweet is about. These people are using a popular agenda to get money, not gaining money to support one.

 

[kvothe]

...But there's nothing stopping this from completely backfiring, right? I mean, FYC could create an anti-misogyny, pro-feminism game with this character as the star, right? A game 4chan helped fund but would subsequently loathe?

 

[Stone Ocean]

...But there's nothing stopping this from completely backfiring, right? I mean, FYC could create an anti-misogyny, pro-feminism game with this character as the star, right? A game 4chan helped fund but would subsequently loathe?

But that's what 4chan wants. They want them to make a feminist game with their name on it to allegedly expose hypocrites that would be against said game just because 4chan helped make it.

 

[magnetic]

The Vice article made absolutely no sense to me, so I read those "collages", and I gotta say: That´s some super high-level trolling AND with a nice end result. I really like that Vivian character, even the name is clever, a nice wordplay while not being too on-the-nose.

At least those are my 2 cents from my 5 minutes of research so far.

 

[SliceSabre]

So now /v/ is somehow bad because they actually decided to do something nice and donate money to a noble cause and create a character for it?

Jeeze.

4chan can be a kooky and terrible place but they have been known to do things out of the kindness of their hearts. 4chan and its boards are not some hivemind.

Also I think Vivian is pretty nicely designed and fits /v/ very well.

 

[LordJim]

...But there's nothing stopping this from completely backfiring, right? I mean, FYC could create an anti-misogyny, pro-feminism game with this character as the star, right? A game 4chan helped fund but would subsequently loathe?

There are specific game pitches and the creator decides how the character is used.
Unless I missed something

 

[Zaph]

I know we shouldn't be encouraging them, but god damn that thread was hilarious.

 

[Haunted]

goddamnit 4chan

 

[Jamix012]

But that's what 4chan wants. They want them to make a feminist game with their name on it to allegedly expose hypocrites that would be against said game just because 4chan helped make it.

Eh, I don't think that's what they want. I think they want a game with an interesting female character in it. There's a big difference between a game that has well written women in it and a game that pushes a feminist agenda. I think the idea is that they want to show the world they're not against "equality" but are against "SJW equality."

 

[jeffers]

/v/ is not a hivemind right?
So...

I dont think these dramas (devs v press v fans too) will end till society grows and is able to think beyond treating every group as a hivemind.

 

[mothball]

All this confusion about /v/'s actions over the past week or so just makes me think about how right moot (4chan owner) was 11 years ago. People care about who says something far more than they care about what is said.

 

[Sayad]

This butt hurt in the media about what 4chan did is making them look really childish.

 

[Eolz]

4chan was pretty evil when they sent cards to Iwata, Gaben and others before Neogaf followed and made this good too.

They are doing this out of spite but not only because they hate something, but to show them the hypocrisy of their mentality.
Of course they know it's to make a feminist game (not in the way we've heard those last weeks)...

(I wonder who (still) reads Vice really, going there from time to time to see if they are improving but it's always around the same level)

 

[Deadbeat]

Just look at how they react to people like Anita Sarkessian.

Because you look at women in third world countries getting beaten and mutilated, or the fact women still dont get paid equally in our part of the world, yet you turn around and see someone devoting their career to what women are in videogames. Those resources are misappropriated. You fix the big problems in society and all this dumb shit like comics/videogames and the like will collapse in on themselves.

4chan was pretty evil when they sent cards to Iwata, Gaben and others before Neogaf followed and made this good too.

God that thread was embarrassing. You cant look down on 4chan when you act even creepier and more pathetic.

 

[Famassu]

The article is trying to twist the donation of thousands of dollars to an event intended to help encourage female game developers into somehow being anti-women, that's a bit too silly for me.

It's not necessarily anti-women, but it reeks of trying to desperately point out "see, we can do something good!" to divert attention away from all the shit a lot of the users are involved in. Kind of like a politician doing something scummy and then arranging some charity/awareness event that tries to take away the attention from the scummy thing. Sure, it's good that such event was arranged, but what they've done and will likely continue doing is still crap.

 

[Tomohawk]

I really don't understand the train of thought that led to this.

edit:I'm skeptical of the narrative of the article. Since it makes 0 sense to me.

 

[SeanTSC]

The article is trying to twist the donation of thousands of dollars to an event intended to help encourage female game developers into somehow being anti-women, that's a bit too silly for me.

Yep. Bad article is bad and the writer should feel bad.

It's a great cause and it's a great thing that that group has donated as much as they have to it. It's sad and shameful that people are attacking it just because they don't like someone who's made a donation to it.

Those people need to grow the fuck up.

 

[ab.aeterno]

Eh, I don't think that's what they want. I think they want a game with an interesting female character in it. There's a big difference between a game that has well written women in it and a game that pushes a feminist agenda. I think the idea is that they want to show the world they're not against "equality" but are against "SJW equality."

And the difference would be...?

 

[Famassu]

Because you look at women in third world countries getting beaten and mutilated, or the fact women still dont get paid equally in our part of the world, yet you turn around and see someone devoting their career to what women are in videogames. Those resources are misappropriated. You fix the big problems in society and all this dumb shit like comics/videogames and the like will collapse in on themselves.

You can't be this ignorant.

 

[JDSN]

Lol, im loving this "Wont somebody think of those poor assholes from 4chan???!!" posts.

 

[HariKari]

Sure, it's good that such event was arranged, but what they've done and will likely continue doing is still crap.

I would probably stop saying "they", as if /v/ has one collective opinion about the issue or is the only place you can find the sort of thing these groups are fighting against.

 

[JoeInky]

I would probably stop saying "they", as if /v/ has one collective opinion about the issue or is the only place you can find the sort of thing these groups are fighting against.

Nah man, /v/ is all one horrible person just like everyone on this forum is an SJW Sony fanboy, right?

 

[kvothe]

Because you look at women in third world countries getting beaten and mutilated, or the fact women still dont get paid equally in our part of the world, yet you turn around and see someone devoting their career to what women are in videogames. Those resources are misappropriated. You fix the big problems in society and all this dumb shit like comics/videogames and the like will collapse in on themselves.

God that thread was embarrassing. You cant look down on 4chan when you act even creepier and more pathetic.

But what if some of those bigger problems are helped along by media perpetuating the idea of women being lesser?

 

[Proven]

So what, because they're using women means nothing. It's what Zoe's binders tweet is about. These people are using a popular agenda to get money, not gaining money to support one.

Is this the point of view that was taken? I can understand that being the initial response, but haven't these guys been completely transparent with the usage of their funding? It comes off as using a popular agenda to support that same agenda.

 

[magnetic]

Lol, im loving this "Wont somebody think of those poor assholes from 4chan???!!" posts.

Yeah, nobody is saying that, sorry.

 

[n00bsauce87]

It's not necessarily anti-women, but it reeks of trying to desperately point out "see, we can do something good!" to divert attention away from all the shit a lot of the users are involved in. Kind of like a politician doing something scummy and then arranging some charity/awareness event that tries to take away the attention from the scummy thing. Sure, it's good that such event was arranged, but what they've done and will likely continue doing is still crap.

Two things:
1) Saying that we can do something good =/= We are donating time and/or money to do something good. People don't often just given away time and money, even less so if it's done solely out of spite. It's the American way.
2) The example would be great if said politician was giving away personal money, then it would be exactly like the 4chan situation. Also, politicians are expecting votes in return regardless if said "scrummy thing" took place or not. 4chan has no realistic expectation to receive anything of worth in return. If it's done out of spite, it goes further to prove that it's not for their own personal gain, but to discredit others.

 

[Deadbeat]

But what if some of those bigger problems are helped along by media perpetuating the idea of women being lesser?

But shes basically putting a band aid on an infected wound. The wound needs to be targeted. Society's view on women is what needs to be fixed. From media and social norms. Videogames are nothing more than a derivative of the bigger problems that are stemming from the world around us. WIth or without videogames, you will still have women being put into corners and viewed nothing more than cattle to produce children.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

NeoGaf always tries to dismiss the "hiveming" thing, because it's clearly that a community is made up from a vast array of personalities and opinions. I don't see how it dosn't apply to 4chan, (which already has a vast ammount of different communities), even if it's rate of "assholes" is superior dosn't mean everyone is.

Anita comment is very spiteful and inconsiderate, seeing how this group already have enough hardships to lift off. I understand that she's is suffering from people of 4chan, but if she could look beyonf the personal hate, I think she could see how wrong is to make this iniciative to fail with her comments, who wears a considerable amount of power.

 

[AlucardGV]

lol she sound a little salty. anyway people from 4chan donated, and iirc they reached the goal to design a character, so it's not like they can refuse.

 

[PBalfredo]

I wonder how many more twists this could take. Maybe Vivian gets co-opted by real feminists ("real" in this case meaning those with motives other than spite)? If so, does /v/ turn on their own creation? Or would /v/ be moved by depictions of their own daughter facing misogyny from the video game community?

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[Waylon Drums]

http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828

Had no idea about any of this stuff until reading this article, and it works as a good summary. The whole thing is insane and the amount of cognitive dissonance displayed by these /v/ users is ridiculous. They hate feminists and attack people for being fake feminists. They threaten people on the internet, and then say the people are attention seeking when they complain about being threatened. But this character is the most ridiculous part. A faux "everyday woman" icon purely to troll feminists.

When people kick and scream about feminism I find it helpful because then I know that they're an ignorant whinebag with a victim complex. If you think feminism has anything to do with oppressing ANYONE...you're wrong and if you're pissy about it...you're stupid and wrong.

 

[Famassu]

I would probably stop saying "they", as if /v/ has one collective opinion about the issue or is the only place you can find the sort of thing these groups are fighting against.

If you didn't notice, I said "a lot of the users are involved in" earlier in my post and was referring to them with that "they", not all of /v/

 

[AlucardGV]

Anita comment is very spiteful and inconsiderate, seeing how this group already have enough hardships to lift off. I understand that she's is suffering from people of 4chan, but if she could look beyonf the personal hate, I think she could see how wrong is to make this iniciative to fail with her comments, who wears a considerable amount of power.

i keep hearing about her comments but never saw one, what did she say?

 

[chaobreaker]

i keep hearing about her comments but never saw one, what did she say?

She didn't approve of TYC accepting the 4chan donation.

 

[Skelter]

I love that her name is supposed to sound close to Vidya Games. Awesome design too.

 

[Famassu]

Two things:
1) Saying that we can do something good =/= We are donating time and/or money to do something good. People don't often just given away time and money, even less so if it's done solely out of spite. It's the American way.
2) The example would be great if said politician was giving away personal money, then it would be exactly like the 4chan situation. Also, politicians are expecting votes in return regardless if said "scrummy thing" took place or not. 4chan has no realistic expectation to receive anything of worth in return. If it's done out of spite, it goes further to prove that it's not for their own personal gain, but to discredit others.

You'd be surprised how far people are willing to go just out of spite or to divert negative attention away from themselves or to be able to try to be on some moral high road without really believing in the cause. Not saying everyone or anyone from /v/ is doing it because of such selfish, stupid reasons, but it wouldn't be all that unheard of. To be able to use the whole "but I've donated for the cause" weapon, as if that allows them to be dirtbags in the future. It's kind of like the equivalent of "but I have gay/black friends" crap that some shitheads use after sprouting hateful crap about them.

 

[Stone Ocean]

i keep hearing about her comments but never saw one, what did she say?

You can see her tweets here in the collage

 

[ActuallyHulk]

i keep hearing about her comments but never saw one, what did she say?

Gail Simone (a very popular comic writer) retweeted the stream to get support. One of her friends told her to be careful because Anita and Zoe don't support that project so she deleted the tweet. I never saw a statement by Anita but yeah, that's about it. They're going by what her friend said.

 

[Sanke__]

Yikes

This made me feel like an asshole just for playing video games

 

[GutZ31]

I'm not entirely sure what's going on in that article, going to have to do a double or triple read-through, but I love this:

I lost it at the end of reading all that.

Spoiler

Sends porn to TFYC rofl.

 

[Frog-fu]

I don't like how everyone that is remotely critical of Zoe Quinn is by default a misogynist or a troll. Some of the most profound and incensed reactions to this drama has come from women both in and out of the games industry. No reasonable discussion can be had if both sides brand each other with labels like "SJW" or "misogynist" so dismissively. Nothing can be gained from that.

Yeah, the VICE writer acts like there's no legitimate reason for /v/ picking this particular charity/cause.

Here's the tweets that have been linked in past threads.

Holy shit, I hope this doesn't get swept under the rug as well. This deserves to be exposed and addressed without being eclipsed by pure vitriol.

 

[TheSeks]

http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828

TFYC received plenty of criticism for embracing Vivian, of course, and responded by saying—and this is a quote—“when you say that 4chan cannot take part in a project, you are oppressing them.” And that was when my brain said, “So long, world, it’s been fun,” and leaped to its own death.

*roll eyes* Because TYC supports /v/ and their "character" that isn't offensive to anyone but the people following the drama (it isn't like the character is saying "FUCK ALL FEMALES! LOL!"), they're supporting the misogyny that /v/ usually supports?

Give me a fuckin' break. TYC is right in this case. /v/'s character (despite the "hidden" maliciousness) isn't offensive and therefore shouldn't be censored until proven otherwise in-game/back-story.

 

[Infinite_Daremo]

Im surprised the site hasn't fallen victim to DDOS'ing yet. Terrible article though. Didn't 4chan do this weeks ago?

 

[JoeInky]

You'd be surprised how far people are willing to go just out of spite or to divert negative attention away from themselves or to be able to try to be on some moral high road without really believing in the cause. Not saying everyone or anyone from /v/ is doing it because of such selfish, stupid reasons, but it wouldn't be all that unheard of. To be able to use the whole "but I've donated for the cause" weapon, as if that allows them to be dirtbags in the future. It's kind of like the equivalent of "but I have gay/black friends" crap that some shitheads use after sprouting hateful crap about them.

This wasn't done so that they could say "b-but I've donated to the cause", this was done to help a charity foundation and have the added bonus of pissing off people.