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NPD Sales Results for August 2014 [Up4: PS4 #1, XB1 last week sales 2x last Jul week]

moon7

Banned
I don't know about you,but if I have a product that retails at the same price as the competition with a pack in of a $60 dollar game and still sell less, I wouldn't be pleased.

XB1 isn't 499 anymore, it's 399 with a free game.

As a lurker and a fence sitting Xbox fan who sees this argument a lot on here and price as one of the main reason I'm not buying one, that right there is more spin than reality. The Kinectless model is in every way a far more gimped model than the Arcade version of the 360 ever was. The only thing missing in that was hard disk space, yet most people still opted to get the "Premium" 360 throughout the entire generation. Kinect makes a much bigger difference in terms of what it actually adds to the system, and so far I haven't seen any indication or sales reports showing people prefer the Kinectless version over the real deal. It had only a blip in sales increase since that SKU's introduction. From a value proposition, it's in fact worse, for those that consider buying Kinect separate at a later time.

So yeah, it did not and still does not have a real price drop. Unless MS plans on selling me Kinect for $50 later, I wouldn't touch the Kinectless SKU with a 10 foot pole. And with the exception of Ryse, which has clearly not turned out to be the Xbox One's Gears of War, it actually doesn't have a real next gen engine on it, imo(referring to exclusives here). They can pack in all the $60 cross port and up-ported games they want, but until they pack in something like Quantum Break, or drop the main SKU to $399, I'm not jumping in, and judging by these numbers, neither will the majority of the 360 user base. Kinect itself is currently an afterthought with the only reason for owning it right now are OS features and fitness apps/games. Those are ,imo, the biggest causes for sluggish sales. And everyone of those things are completely correctable.

Sony's clearly got the jump on this gen, and has quite a few games to demo what next gen is all about on PS4. I don't feel MS has made that argument yet and $499 is far from a friendly entry price point. On the other end, with this kind of monthly difference, I don't see this 20K-30k gap in sales(when 360 is still also holding a similar gap over the PS3) and under 200k per month numbers holding off the Xbox in the USA at the time it actually comes down to more mass market friendly price point. The fact is Sony's not converting the 40+ million 360 users either and they are already at what I would consider a more mass market friendly price. The majority of that 40+ user base are waiting unless you believe the market has contracted that much. I don't and my bet is MS still has the first dibs on them if they hurry up and get their shit together.

Just my two cents.
 
I think people are putting too much stock into the low(ish) monthly numbers for ps4 we've been witnessing since it's first two months. Not being supply constrained allowed the enthusiast first adopters to buy the console en mass unlike previous generations where sales were more spread out because of stock shortages. Also we have yet to see any truly compelling AAA exclusive that will entice the previous gen owners who are probably still quite content with their consoles for now. It's not like they are not getting all the big multiplats by not upgrading. In my opinion the combined total sales to date are a more accurate indicator of the health of the console market. From that angle the ps4 is doing fine as the market leader with 10 million + sales.
 

On Demand

Banned
Why do people think destiny bundled is such a big deal? It's ten dollars less than if you bought a system and game of your choice anytime.

Not really a deal with that said and they are not going double dip to many people less than a year after launch.

It's bundled with one of the biggest games of the year and comes in a sexy white color?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129407423&postcount=1145

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129355679&postcount=1102
 
At this point in its life, the GameCube's price had been halved, so I'm not sure why this is stupid.

Wii U is considerably more expensive to make. Unless Nintendo intends to drop the tablet controller (and they've doubled down on it instead) it might spur sales, but it also might bankrupt them in short order if it actually sold very well.
 
Destiny bundle is best selling console for moth of September (thus far) at #6. Standalone PS4 is second at #12. Xbox One is third at #32. The cannibalized standalone sales are still higher than Xbox one. That does imply both SKUs are doing quite well.

Don' think you understand how Amazon's charts really work. Those ratings are always extremely misleading.
 

donny2112

Member
Layton & Ace Attorney sales...are depressing...

I don't want to talk about them...or other games that underperform. :-(

It's an interesting case. Layton 1 was a fair dud until the commercials several months in that got it going well. Ace Attorney was so low that only GameStop had it basically (that's where I got mine), second-hand copies were going for full price or higher, and they had to do further print runs way later. Ace Attorney continue to do fairly low until Capcom just decided to release AA5 digital-only to reduce the risk, and it's done > 60K there (~what it was doing at retail at full price). Would be interesting to know the digital+physical sales in a couple of months to see if Layton vs. AA approaches AA5's relatively good number. Game was never going to be a blockbuster, though. :(
 
I wouldn't expect a large Wii U price cut anytime soon. Maybe 50$ for the holiday rush, or after it.

Nintendo is not selling Wii U's at a loss and they are getting good software sell throughs with the user base.

They are still more than likely running smaller teams with lower costs for software development than a lot of other studios. They probably are going to run lean this generation while they continue to rework their internal processes for the future.

I suspect they hope the new 3ds will juice their handheld sales long enough so they can rollout new hardware all at once or at least have their unified framework in place with teams producing on acceptable schedules.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
At least it's looking like the Wii U won't sell worse than it did during Jan 2014 this year right Aqua? (trying to find a bright side).

September = Disney Infinity 2.0 + Hyrule Warriors + new Wii U bundles (3D World + Nintendo Land & MK8 + Nintendo Land Walmart one)
October = Skylanders, Pac-man Ghostly Adventures 2, Just Dance 2015, Bayonetta 2 (+1)
November = Disney Planes, Lego Batman 3, Sonic Boom, Watch Dogs (when the heck are Smash & Toad releasing...)
December = NES Remix Pack
 
Can we get an idea of how the Kinect XB1 SKU is doing? If I remember correctly, the split was 55/45% in June in favor of the Kinectless SKU. I didn't see any ratio for July. Curious if it's trending toward significantly less Kinect bundle sales or staying relatively the same.
 

Fdkn

Member
Regarding Tales of in the west, even if being ps3 only on 2014 is hurting them, it needs to be taken into account that Europe sells more ps3 games than the US so the localization should be still being profitable imho.
 

Derphoof

Member
At least it's looking like Jan 2014 is going to be the worst sales of the Wii U this year? (trying to find a bright side).

September = Disney Infinity 2.0 + Hyrule Warriors + new Wii U bundles (3D World + Nintendo Land & MK8 + Nintendo Land Walmart one)
October = Skylanders, Pac-man Ghostly Adventures 2, Just Dance, Bayonetta
November = Disney Planes, Lego Batman 3, Sonic Boom, Watch Dogs (where the heck are Smash & Toad releasing...)
December = NES Remix Pack

Smash will probably be late November, in time for Black Friday. Captain Toad in December.
 

Mory Dunz

Member
At least it's looking like Jan 2014 is going to be the worst sales of the Wii U this year? (trying to find a bright side).

September = Disney Infinity 2.0 + Hyrule Warriors + new Wii U bundles (3D World + Nintendo Land & MK8 + Nintendo Land Walmart one)
October = Skylanders, Pac-man Ghostly Adventures 2, Just Dance, Bayonetta
November = Disney Planes, Lego Batman 3, Sonic Boom, Watch Dogs (where the heck are Smash & Toad releasing...)
December = NES Remix Pack

Wonder why there isn't an Infinity for Wii this year.

I actually think it would still outsell the current gen systems versions.
 
Regarding Tales of in the west, even if being ps3 only on 2014 is hurting them, it needs to be taken into account that Europe sells more ps3 games than the US so the localization should be still being profitable imho.

Yeah, with Europe it'll probably do okay enough.
 

Faustek

Member
At this point in its life, the GameCube's price had been halved, so I'm not sure why this is stupid.

Because it would kill it. It would litteraly turn into the defunct piece of crap many seem to think it is. It would be that cheap prostitute across the street. And Nintendo being Nintendo, they don't really do the HW loss thing.
Nah better to, as they are doing now, minimise their losses and perhaps try to push it with Software bundles crating a illusion of more worth.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
Wonder why there isn't an Infinity for Wii this year.

I actually think it would still outsell the current gen systems versions.

There's actually a deal allowing you to download Disney Infinity on the Wii U eShop for free. I assume they're trying to move the Wii base to the Wii U.

I got that pretty quickly Aqua, Allan must be tired or something.
 

Mory Dunz

Member
There's actually a deal allowing you to download Disney Infinity on the Wii U eShop for free. I assume they're trying to move the Wii base to the Wii U.

I guess Nintendo would want that.

But wouldn't Disney want hard sales more. It seems money is being left on the table. If DS casual games somehow can still sell a bit, I honestly think a Wii Infinity would sell #2 behind the 360 in SKUs. It was 1st last year.
 
No, I know the numbers do not mean anything with out some kind of data to base unit sales on, but the order of ranking still means what is selling better, no?^^

Not if the tracker may not be based on units sold (many categories are most likely revenue based). And that it is most likely partially predictive, not 100% actual (which is what Amazon does with books). Again, can't use it for unit sales comparisons very well...or you'll get burned as others have found out trying to use it for sales predictions.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
I guess Nintendo would want that.

But wouldn't Disney want hard sales more. It seems money is being left on the table. If DS casual games somehow can still sell a bit, I honestly think a Wii Infinity would sell #2 behind the 360 in SKUs. It was 1st last year.

Wii Infinity was actually second last year below the 360 on its launch month at least. Do they have any plans with the NFC? Nintendo kept saying Skylanders, etc. would use the Wii U's NFC, but we haven't heard anything yet, have we?
 
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