theprodigy
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ok European numbers aside because this is an NPD thread, could you guys let jcm update the Powerhouse™ vs PSP comparison
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NPD Sales Results for August 2014 [Up4: PS4 #1, XB1 last week sales 2x last Jul week]
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We know it most likely sold 90-99k, but I understand that vague numbers make for a bad spreadsheet
LiquidSolid
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What are you talking about? There's no need to play coy, I wasn't trying to bring the entire argument back, I was just referring to your differing statements. If you'd merely acknowledged that you went too far before then I would've let it be.
I'm not sure why you think I was implying that I won anything, it just seemed to me like claiming that I was clutching at straws was an egotistical remark to make.
There are always numerous reasons, no-one said there wasn't. The question was solely over how important exclusives and multiplatform games were and while you may not have written multiplatform games off entirely, you really did try to diminish their importance. I mean really, you barely even acknowledged all the people who buy consoles solely for their CoD/FIFA/Madden (or whatever) kick and yet talked about people buying 360's just to play Forza, a series that has never been particularly big.
Also, in regards to the PS1 and PS2, you do realise that power played a huge role in killing the Saturn and Dreamcast, right? The N64 and GC/Xbox came out a year later, so of course they were going to be more powerful overall but they were also too late.
I think this statement is very debatable.
you know you're in a strong industry when the trump card for the pack leader's holiday season is a bundle with a port of a year old multi-platform game.
One person's opinion. And countering a remastered set of games as well. Not exactly a crazy prediction.
NoMoreTrolls
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Devilgunman
Member
I'm not sure if Amiibo will catch fire like Skylander or Infinity did. The idea behind it will confuse parents and their kids. You buy figures, but you don't play as them. In stead you train them to be your partner or your offline cpu opponent. It was already hard for me to grasp the concept the first time I saw the trailer and I won't be surprise if non-gamers don't understand it.
BruceLeeRoy
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Yeah but I am in production not analysis. I would imagine the co-marketing must be worth it to some degree for them.
Shmuely Bully
Member
It's only debatable if you really, really love Nintendo games.
PSP wound up have a solid at a minimum entry in virtually every notable third-party franchise in existence during the course of its lifetime as well as a deep library of quirky smaller titles in neglected genres (puzzlers, SRPGs). That includes both older franchises (Gradius, GnG, etc.) and ones that were contemporary to when it was selling well (MGS, Killzone, Jak, etc.).
The 3DS has Nintendo games and whatever left-overs third parties deem willing to provide it with.
I don't think it is tbh, PSP has a very strong and varied library of games.
lightning2k3
Member
This post reads like a big, yet not awkward, hug. I warmly return your hug and look forward to reading your impressions at a later date
I can't wait for the eventual "LTTP: Vita is awesome" thread. In fact,we better get one!
GTAV had the largest product launch of all time, right? Isn't it the most fiscally successful entertainment product ever? It's kind of an outlier.
Shmuely Bully
Member
No, we can pretty much know LBP3 is going to be good given the foundation it's working off of in LBP1&2.
The question with it is how much it has improved over LBP2 and how much it appeals to people in the market for a $400 console. My guesses there would be substantially and not much respectively, but they are just guesses.
Yeah, nevermind the fact that it's GTA V, which had meteoric sales regardless of where you put it on the timelines of the gaming industry.
Nope, let's go for the badly thought out one-liner instead, like usual.
Relaxed Muscle
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Nintendo is going to release the new3DS to buy time, but by the time it releases on the US probably there will be nothing to salvage.
As of June = not included, since that:'s when the report was made.
hellmonkey
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Count me as one of those. The menu lag and jaggies made it kinda hard to play while still playing ps4 games. Im going to be all over this like stink on poop.
$99 Wii U will likely never happen outside of some clearance sale due to the GamePad. They'd have to drop the GamePad to make that work. Another reason the GamePad, as awesome and redeeming as off-TV play is, was a poor decision by Nintendo.
I like off-TV play.
rokkerkory
Member
Just trying to be objective here but sales of HMCC will likely swamp both DC and LBP3.
Dragon Puncher
Member
Yeah Gamestop had the exclusive rights here in Scandinavia at least. They were selling it at almost 25% more than what you could get a black ps4 + Destiny for, so I doubt it was a huge seller though.
There is a PS4 GTA V bundle?
Of course it will. The Master Chief collection will sell incredibly well if it ends up being an amazing and polished product. LBP3 will do decent but DC will bomb here in NPD land.
It's GTA, of course it'll be a huge seller.
RespectThySole
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Yes that's exactly what I've said many times. Taken out of context it may seem like I'm trying to "downplay" it, but that is not the case. Other users in this thread can confirm this and you can look at my post history in regards to LBP3. We know it's a sequel so it will obviously be largely similar to the first two mainline games. However, the question is how big an improvement will it be especially with Media Molecule not being the main dev on this one.
Note: I'm not saying that it will be any worse or better because of the dev, it's just an observation that needs to be taken into consideration.
theprodigy
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$99 Wii U will likely never happen outside of some clearance sale due to the GamePad. They'd have to drop the GamePad to make that work. Another reason the GamePad, as awesome and redeeming as off-TV play is, was a poor decision by Nintendo.I like off-TV play.
Wii U really is PS360 level in hardware, they all can't/won't really drop the price.
Kappa
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It's worth noting that total hardware is much higher this gen, though. Here's a software units graph for maybe a more apples to apples comparison.
It's worth noting that total hardware is much higher this gen, though. Here's a software units graph for maybe a more apples to apples comparison.
Eddie Griffin
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How can the install bases be too far, it's not even 1 million apart?
speculawyer
Member
'The Playstation family' went from an embarrassing phrase to domination.
I'm standing by. Just need some kind soul to drop some knowledge on me. I'd settle for a confidential PM.
Because the denominator isn't that large, yet. If the proportional difference remains constant as the denominator goes up (i.e. if PS4 maintains its ~25% LTD lead over XB1), then that absolute difference will grow much larger. For reference, that's about how much Xbox beat GameCube by (percentage-wise) in the U.S.
What is "Powerhouse"?
shinra-bansho
Member
There was a graph from which this could have been derived in Nintendo's IR briefing from early last gen. But they've updated and removed some of their older briefing materials. Not sure if anyone has a saved copy.
So does 3DS. It's very debatable.
more accurately, everything else went to embarrassing or worse.
Sammy Samusu used to call the 3DS a Powerhouse(TM) last year for US sales, and I think jcm is just running with it whenever he can and wants
...However, if things continue like this, we could starting making the same thing with PS4 instead of 3DS, honestly, starting with April sales XD
BladeoftheImmortal
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Hate to be that guy, but can anyone review the numbers that have already been given out. thanks.
shinra-bansho
Member
No, that won't be done anymore.
It draws unwanted attention from the powers that be.
RespectThySole
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It had nothing to do with ego. I stated that you were clutching for straws because the content of your post added nothing to the current discussion at hand. Yes, I understand what you were trying to say, but it was meaningless in the context of the thread because I already addressed that issue in this same thread prior to that.
The Wii also came out a year later and won handily. The PS3 essentially caught up to the 360 even though it released a year later. It coming out a year later means nothing. The reasons they lost weren't because they were a year late to the market. They still would of lost if all other factors remained the same and console launches were aligned. Also, you're delusional if you really think that the main reason the Dreamcast lost was power. The Dreamcast lost for many reasons, but one of the biggest was that SEGA was losing too much money on the system with each sold. They were in a losing battle of trying to be competitive with pricing in comparison to the PS2 on expensive hardware that made the Dreamcast, literally bleed money.
What on earth are you talking about? I definitely acknowledged those who only play FIFA/Madden, etc multiple times.
Also, please don't bring Forza back into this. We've already discussed that in that other thread and you know how well it's sold. There is a difference between sales on all platforms vs comparative sales on a single platform.
That was not the discussion, that was simply a piece of it. You were trying to make it seem like the hardware difference was far and away the most important reason that the XB1 is being outsold by the PS4, when that is not the case.
No one was trying to diminish anything. You tried to make it seem like nothing else mattered, but hardware. I offered several things that matter more.
BladeoftheImmortal
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theprodigy
Member
That would be nice...but someone should verify it really is 76% up because I just glanced at the Google Translate text and it sounds kind of high
(for comparison, how much was XBO over 360 in the US after the first 8 months)
shinra-bansho
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Tried wayback, there are only like 3 snapshots of their IR/events pages all recent. Haven't tried Google cache.
It was a graph of launch aligned 7th gen console sales for like the first 13 months from memory. Of course I could just be misremembering. Might go through some of jvm's older articles and see if its in any of them.
Not super unpredictable in a month where it does poorly and this time had no software. It has been around 100k for quite some time now.
metalslimer
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Well it was "confirmed". Also 3DS has been hovering around dropping to 5 digits for a while now. It's not a surprise in dead August it finally did it. It should be in the 90-100k range. If it was below that I'm pretty we would know if 3ds had its worst month ever.