What the...
A little boy, an old lady and some dude? What is happening!?!
What the...
A little boy, an old lady and some dude? What is happening!?!
I am now requesting to be TweetBros with Plagarize.
Well playing around with the genders seems like a good solution, but then she said this about Spelunky that offers you an option to choose the gender of the damsel.
That leaves me more with a feeling of "well what do you want?". Is the trope supposed to never appear again? Because I agree with you that the problem is not necessarily the trope itself, but that it's used way too often. Just writing the trope out of existence would seem like quite the rough solution to me.
Anyway, I feel like we're digressing more and more from the topic to something that would be more appropriate to one of the threads about her videos. I'll just say that I think her video series would overall be more helpful if she included more solutions, but I can also see why she wouldn't, if it's either through time concerns or because coming up with solutions herself is simply not part of her goal.
That is your assessment. Jeff probably wants to minimize extreme behavior. His assessment of the situation is that maybe getting involved will escalate the conflict and lead to more extreme behavior like death threats.
I don't know if you or Jeff is correct.
He's already expressed his disgust with GG. Condemning Jeff and saying "if you are not with us, you're against us," is a dangerous road to go down. I think it's usually best to target your enemies, rather than people who don't 100% see things your way.
Inga Muscio said:Silence is the unlocked door through which intruders enter and pillage the sacred temple of womankind.
Collusion! Unethical! /gamergate
I'm really sorry to be coming to this late, but would somebody please be able to explain to me whether Gamergate applies if you don't identify as a 'gamer'?
It's probably a stupid question that's been answered before, so I do apologise! I guess I'm just confused - and this is probably a ridiculous thing to ask on GAF - but are there people who identify as a "gamer" and with "game culture"?
(I've only just caught up on Gamergate and my overwhelming feeling is just that it's all very depressing. Really, really depressing.)
So how do you educated people out there feel about totalbiscuit after all of this?
I've always been a fan of TB and it felt important to support him in this last year of personal issues.
But this shit is just fucked when you sum it up. I'm sure he was driven by some initial amiable idea and the following stubbornness. But at some point you just got to demand some kind of responsibility. They say that nothing is unforgivable, but this last month makes even watching a TB-video feel wrong.
I'm a gamer, as much as I am a hiker, a writer, a student, etc. I love the medium, but it's just one hobby and one facet of my personality among many.I think it comes down to how strongly you feel about being a gamer as your identity. I've been playing games for 25 years, but I also do a lot of other things. When people say things about "gamers" I'm listening, but I'm also an individual who can realize when something does or does not apply to me personally.
I think this part of Jeff's statement kind of sucks:
I think most of Gamespot's statement kind of sucks.
I used this analogy before, but there's a reason just "Death threats are bad" isn't going to make Gamergaters suddenly realize they're in a wrong group, because they don't think death threats come from Gamergate. They are in total denial of what the movement is actually doing. It's like teaching a mixture of Amish people and people pretending to be Amish for agenda-driven reasons about the dangers of drunk driving - the entire crowd will simply go "That doesn't really apply to me" outloud and go on doing what they do.
I think it comes down to how strongly you feel about being a gamer as your identity. I've been playing games for 25 years, but I also do a lot of other things. When people say things about "gamers" I'm listening, but I'm also an individual who can realize when something does or does not apply to me personally.
As someone who identifies as a gamer, it's always weird to me when people say "games don't define me!" and similar stuff. Because... well, of course? Why does it have to be mentioned? I had never seen the term gamer as "someone whose life revolves exclusively around games", in the same way that's not the case for terms like bookworm, cinephile, foodie, history buff, animal lover or whatever.
It's scary that people go so batshit insane over games. It's a great medium, an art form, but still they're just video games.
I am boycotting neogaf because they did not disclose the relationship between HP_Wuvcraft & Plagarize. #GafGate
Yeah. I guess my mind can't really process it. I've also been playing games for about the same amount of time (since the 8 bit days) and this all feels so alien to me. I don't remember there ever being this much hate around.
(I can appreciate that games have matured a bit since then, but it's still dizzying. I went to have a look at 8chan to see what was happening over there and realised I was way, way out of my depth.)
I am still really curious why games provoke such vitriol amongst those who play them though. Everything feels so extreme and immature. Is it because it's an immature medium compared to film or literature? Or is it because all gamers are supposedly teenage boys who are disenfranchised and can only view the world via ADS? It's really confusing. I don't see much evidence of a mature discussion around journalistic ethics, but that's probably my ignorance.
Well considering the average age of those who play and buy games is mid-30s, I think the myth that all gamers are crazy teenagers is pretty debunkedYeah. I guess my mind can't really process it. I've also been playing games for about the same amount of time (since the 8 bit days) and this all feels so alien to me. I don't remember there ever being this much hate around.
(I can appreciate that games have matured a bit since then, but it's still dizzying. I went to have a look at 8chan to see what was happening over there and realised I was way, way out of my depth.)
I am still really curious why games provoke such vitriol amongst those who play them though. Everything feels so extreme and immature. Is it because it's an immature medium compared to film or literature? Or is it because all gamers are supposedly teenage boys who are disenfranchised and can only view the world via ADS? It's really confusing. I don't see much evidence of a mature discussion around journalistic ethics, but that's probably my ignorance.
i just think it sets up a false dichomoty. gamergate is a hate group with the sole purpose of chasing women out of the gaming industry. "anti-gamergate" is a description for everyone who dissapproves of them. gamergate plans, organizes and targets specific people for its harassment. "anti-gamergate" examples of harassment are isolated cases of people acting on their own etc. etc.
when you invoke the lazy south parkian notion of some kind of mythical middle-ground where all the ~*reasonable*~ people reside, it feel like the lunatics have won. when being against a group of reactionaries involved in a a hate campaign means you're "anti-gamergate". "the reasonable center" becomes a middle position between gamergate and disapproving of gamergate. and that more than anything, gives these assholes a place at the table.
i know jeff's piece overall doesn't come across that way -- but that specific paragraph does.
Unrelated thought:
How stupid is it that we suffix "-gate" on any scandal. Like, if Watergate happened today would we call it Watergategate? Burglarygate?
Unrelated thought:
How stupid is it that we suffix "-gate" on any scandal. Like, if Watergate happened today would we call it Watergategate? Burglarygate?
Unrelated thought:
How stupid is it that we suffix "-gate" on any scandal. Like, if Watergate happened today would we call it Watergategate? Burglarygate?
Unrelated thought:
How stupid is it that we suffix "-gate" on any scandal. Like, if Watergate happened today would we call it Watergategate? Burglarygate?
I do think a lot of it has to do with the relative immaturity of the medium. It was originally designed as an instant gratification, quickly consumable form of entertainment and only later became more complex. Also, because of the more interactive nature, you get people feeling more personally involved, for better or worse.
Well considering the average age of those who play and buy games is mid-30s, I think the myth that all gamers are crazy teenagers is pretty debunked
I do think it's a young medium, still growing and maturing in many ways, compared to film, literature, music, even comics. I always felt the rise and diversity of indie games was a sign that the industry was maturing, the same way that we can enjoy huge summer blockbusters alongside obscure foreign drama and arthouse indie films. I still think that
Why did several Gawker editors favourite those shitty Sam Biddle tweets? :/
reposting my thoughts on the "silence isn't complicity" part of Jeff's article from the GB thread:
when you invoke the lazy south parkian notion of some kind of mythical middle-ground where all the ~*reasonable*~ people reside,
Watergate is the reason -gate gets tagged onto scandals so presumably no. Whatever other big scandal that reached such highs and had a memorable title would likely see itself get attached it other scandals.
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Yeah but those protests against art movements don't include rape and death threats (right?). They're actually sane civilized protests.That's true.
I hope so. I actually feel it's a really good time to be a 'gamer' or someone who enjoys games or however you like to identify yourself. Probably the best time since the first PlayStation, the Saturn, the PC days of Lucasarts and the N64 imo. There's so much diversity and it's wonderful.
You just don't see Michael Bay fans giving death threats to feminist critics of his portrayal of women! There's still that dispute going on, but just not in a violent way. I wish I could remember some of the outrages that have happened in the past. I guess I'm thinking of the "riots" at the Rite of Spring, or maybe some of the protests against art movements. Even then, it never appeared to be quite as extreme as this.
To be honest, my life would be infinitely richer had I never heard the phrase "social justice warrior"! It all feels so backward.
Watergate 2Unrelated thought:
How stupid is it that we suffix "-gate" on any scandal. Like, if Watergate happened today would we call it Watergategate? Burglarygate?
You might like this Mitchell & Webb sketchUnrelated thought:
How stupid is it that we suffix "-gate" on any scandal. Like, if Watergate happened today would we call it Watergategate? Burglarygate?
Yeah but those protests against art movements don't include rape and death threats (right?). They're actually sane civilized protests.
As someone who identifies as a gamer, it's always weird to me when people say "games don't define me!" and similar stuff. Because... well, of course? Why does it have to be mentioned? I had never seen the term gamer as "someone whose life revolves exclusively around games", in the same way that's not the case for terms like bookworm, cinephile, foodie, history buff, animal lover or whatever.
That sounds more like you were expecting some group were legetimized over other...
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Watergate: The Watergating
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Even links back most of the sources to GAF's dLMN8R
You should come by the Indie Game threads, we find awesome artistic games every month and more often than not, they're free or have free alpha/betasYou know, I've been reading this thread for (what feels like) forever and I'd just like to throw something out there.
I'm not a huge videogame guy; I spend way more time listening to music and hoarding fancy books (although Forza Horizon has been a beautiful, beautiful time sink lately). I also have a little-ish daughter who likes to do whatever I happen to be doing. If I'm sitting in front of the televison playing something and she plunks down next to me and says "Let's play Peggle 2" or whatever, I find myself subconsciously redirecting her toward reading a book together, or playing that crystal blue vinyl copy of Frozen that she made me buy because she "wanted her own record". And that sucks, because I know that there are games that she would absolutely love to play. She has an interest, but I feel that there are lot lot of things around videogame culture that are hostile to her. Even something as simple as playing Forza Horizon and her asking, "How come you can only play as a boy?". That shouldn't be a question that could be met with hostility, ya know?
Anyway, as I said before, criticism and change need to happen so games can be for everyone. I know it's possible to make amazing, beautiful, thought-provoking games; I've seen 'em (Flower, Journey, Braid, Depression Quest et al). We need to do more of that, mainly so I won't have to squint at my cellphone because my daughter wants me to watch her play Candy Crush or Mabel's Hair Farm/Nail Salon.
I've been here since the beginning, but in the last week:Is it just me or has the number of outspoken anti-gGers participating in this thread increased?
I remember like a week or so ago it felt a lot less cozy in here.
- I have seen friends express fear about receiving this level of harassment
- I have had people threaten me with private information
I've been here since the beginning, but in the last week:
- I have seen friends express fear about receiving this level of harassment
- I have had people threaten me with private information
- I have seen people, here, on this board, write off death threats as attention-seeking
- I have seen good journalists reconsider their careers because this is not an audience they feel they can serve anymore
At the beginning, I just thought this was all sort of dumb. Now I fear for my hobby and I'm actively angry.
If you have high enough specs
Everyone seems to be coming to this connection, but it's entirely by coincidence.
These promotions have a few months lead time. I don't remember exactly when we decided to put Skullgirls in it, but I think it was in August, before GamerGate was a thing.
Nothing!Not to get too specific but may I ask what you do?
Feel free to ignore that if you think it's too personal obviously, I'm just curious why people would threaten you.
Is it just me or has the number of outspoken anti-gGers participating in this thread increased?
I remember like a week or so ago it felt a lot less cozy in here.
I've been here since the beginning, but in the last week:
- I have seen friends express fear about receiving this level of harassment
- I have had people threaten me with private information
- I have seen people, here, on this board, write off death threats as attention-seeking
- I have seen good journalists reconsider their careers because this is not an audience they feel they can serve anymore
At the beginning, I just thought this was all sort of dumb. Now I fear for my hobby and I'm actively angry.
I've been here since the beginning, but in the last week:
- I have seen friends express fear about receiving this level of harassment
- I have had people threaten me with private information
- I have seen people, here, on this board, write off death threats as attention-seeking
- I have seen good journalists reconsider their careers because this is not an audience they feel they can serve anymore
At the beginning, I just thought this was all sort of dumb. Now I fear for my hobby and I'm actively angry.