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Street Fighter 5 for PS4 & PC teaser trailer
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Pathfinder
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If Bish gives me the go ahead to derail the thread by posting all of the examples that I found, then I will be more than happy to post them.
Look at the last page. It is already derailed.
gundamkyoukai
Member
You can't compare 5 different version of SF to 1 RE game even less so when work was done on the other versions.
Also MH4 sold 4 million in Japan which make it bigger than SF also
Poimandres
Member
We are also 95 pages into a thread and there's next to no chance any real information will get released today so derailment is the natural order of business.
That's not hypocrisy. There is no problem if someone dislikes Microsoft and is therefore upset at their money-hatting, and likes Sony and is therefore ok with their money-hatting.
Hypocrisy is when I pretend to dislike money-hatting in general but only get upset when the company I dislikd does it, but not when one I prefer does it.
Pathfinder
Member
Okay, here we go. Incoming.
EXAMPLE 1:
ROTR Thread:
SF5 Thread:
EXAMPLE 2:
ROTR Thread:
SF5 Thread:
Megatons dropping early!? Haha love this stuff
EXAMPLE 3:
ROTR Thread:
SF5 Thread:
EXAMPLE 4:
ROTR Thread:
SF5 Thread:
EXAMPLE 5:
ROTR Thread:
SF5 Thread:
EXAMPLE 6: (kind of works...)
ROTR Thread:
SF5 Thread:
EXAMPLE 7:
ROTR Thread:
SF5 Thread:
EXAMPLE 8:
The best one of them all, IMO. The OP of the SF5 thread themselves:
ROTR Thread:
My eyes and fingers hurt now...
BronsonLee
Member
Like 4 of those don't match hypocrisy
PeregrinSe7en
Member
so why is that "ps4 has no games" narrative still a thing?
shouldn't it be bannable?
I think this guy has done the job.
Pathfinder
Member
I was challenged by Bish or face a ban, so please deal with it.
George Claw M.D.
Member
But you directly quoted and responded to Bish's request to expose the hypocrites. If your intent was not to provide examples of hypocrisy, why did you even quote Bish? Especially when you weren't even addressed in his post. Do you like running into burning buildings?
Lmao, why does it even bother you?
Pathfinder
Member
Rise of Tomb Raider.
Do we really want him to go through the Titanfall thread too. It won't get better.
With all console wars arguing, some times you win some, some times you lose some.
More on track: I'm really hoping this means cross platform support. No more having to pick a system, but rather a full attempt on having PC and PS4 players play together. Steam support for this would be fantastic for streams ^_^
One of my all-time favorites. I have said a few times that it is a crime they never did a game OST.
BronsonLee
Member
I'd buy that game and that damn soundtrack
Schweinehund
Member
Those seem sufficient. Cherry pick which ones you don't think are hypocrisy, but I think in general there were a good portion of people who were hypocritical. Is it so hard to believe some people are hypocrites on here? See: Heath Ledger Joker threads.
I agree with you on this.
Beer Monkey
Member
So much hypocrisy. Great post, Pathfinder.
Also, remember last gen when "console exclusives don't matter, if it's on PC it's not exclusive"...
Also, remember last gen when "console exclusives don't matter, if it's on PC it's not exclusive"...
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
Member
Wha...?
IQ's must have dropped rapidly since I went to school.
Somebody saying "I really wanted TR on PS4. Square/MS sucks!"
and then "Yay. Really looking forward to SF glad it's coming to PS4", isn't even close to being an example of hypocrisy. Most of these examples have read like that.
Hypocrisy would be much more along the lines of somebody saying, "Man, TR exclusivity sucks. I HATE ALL FORMS of exclusivity and I WON'T SUPPORT IT"
then saying "Wow. I'm SO GLAD SF is exclusive I'll be FIRST IN LINE".
The bolded bits are what's important. Good luck finding more 'evidence'.
For what it's worth, I think bought exclusivity does suck because someone somewhere is losing out for what I feel is a poor reason.
However it's something almost all of us have bought into or supported when we've lapped up products with exclusivity deals. Pandoras box is open and we can't close it.
Sometimes we'll be on the winning side, sometimes the losing side.
I prefer to be on the winning side of an exclusivity deal and its possible for me to get excited about a game which comes with an exclusivity bonus but that doesn't mean I think they are a good thing.
IQ's must have dropped rapidly since I went to school.
Somebody saying "I really wanted TR on PS4. Square/MS sucks!"
and then "Yay. Really looking forward to SF glad it's coming to PS4", isn't even close to being an example of hypocrisy. Most of these examples have read like that.
Hypocrisy would be much more along the lines of somebody saying, "Man, TR exclusivity sucks. I HATE ALL FORMS of exclusivity and I WON'T SUPPORT IT"
then saying "Wow. I'm SO GLAD SF is exclusive I'll be FIRST IN LINE".
The bolded bits are what's important. Good luck finding more 'evidence'.
For what it's worth, I think bought exclusivity does suck because someone somewhere is losing out for what I feel is a poor reason.
However it's something almost all of us have bought into or supported when we've lapped up products with exclusivity deals. Pandoras box is open and we can't close it.
Sometimes we'll be on the winning side, sometimes the losing side.
I prefer to be on the winning side of an exclusivity deal and its possible for me to get excited about a game which comes with an exclusivity bonus but that doesn't mean I think they are a good thing.
Indie games and 3rd parties because reasons.
Lion Heart
Banned
Yeah, remember when 360 had no games beyond 2009 and then exclusives didn't matter anymore and now that PS4 is light on exclusives, PS4 has no games.
I also liked when Xbox live was reason alone to buy a 360 and now indies aren't games. Good times.
George Claw M.D.
Member
It doesn't. I simply asked a question. You obviously put in some effort to find quotes for Bish, only to say you weren't even trying to find examples of hypocrisy like his post very clearly asks for.
It's basically about you and some others having trouble understanding the meaning of hypocrisy.
Because I originally replied to the poster he quoted, I was subsequently quoted asking for posters by someone, so I did it anyways and quoted Bish.
Are main points didn't change. The tone of the two threads are completely different. Maybe they weren't all hypocritical, but people's attitudes didn't stay consistent and that's the main point I was trying to make. Did you even read the posts Bish quoted talking about how if this was MS, people would be yelling moneyhat, etc? Also indies and PS4 not having games has nothing to do with anything said, but nice try with your post anyways.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It's the same character model with lighting at night.
This man gets it.
Of course people are going to be crowing about being hypocrites for a lot of people...but both sides fail to understand that its a very bad precedent being continued by Sony here. Nobody should want to turn this industry into a bidding war for locking away third party games from other platforms, if its not a drastic situation like helping direct development of the title, or funding it to bring it out.
I only have a PS4 currently, and i am not interested at all in Xbox One, but this is not good news based on the conclusions we can draw.
I only have a PS4 currently, and i am not interested at all in Xbox One, but this is not good news based on the conclusions we can draw.
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
Member
Poimandres
Member
This could very well be the case here. I'm sure SF5 would have surfaced eventually, but without Sony stepping in here I don't think it would have been seen for another couple of years.
On the other hand, if the game was already in development and Sony payed to lock down exclusivity it's definitely a dick move.
Bish did set them to task. This thread has always been about the console war angle to these kinds of deals, so it is relevant, bit it misses the larger point.
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
Member
Lots of people understand exclusivity deals are a bit poo, no matter which side gets them because when they are successful they perpetuate the culture of moneyhatting instead of sponsoring the creation of new stuff.
It's not a precedent - it's been going on for years and Microsoft are at least as bad.
It won't go away as long as we keep buying the games.
it's just important to keep perspective.
Yes, it sucks when you lose content or even a game you were interested in but acting like you are some precious victim and pretending it's much worse for your chosen console than the 'other side' is just silly.
IMO, I doubt that Capcom would have the kind of money to fund SF V alone. They sure didn't for DeadRising 3, in which they had to have Microsoft's help.
Handy Fake
Member
But in fairness, the only thing we have is a leaked PS4/PC "exclusive" trailer, and a Bish-approved "yes, it IS PS4 exclusive".
We've had no word from Capcom or Sony - and that includes any official reveal of the game.
So at this point we've nothing to go on at all about what is going on bar two leaked bits of information.
I hate moneyhatting as much as the next man, but I really need more information and and official reveal and explanation before I'm going to go off the deep end.
I get the impression that a lot of posters have been circling like vultures waiting for the opportunity to shout "hypocrite" as soon as something like this happened, and perhaps they've blown their load a little early in their rush to start firing about allegations.
Not really into fighting games either, to be honest.
Pathfinder
Member
You both don't get it.
It's more about the tone of the two articles.
In the Tomb Raider thread there was all this negativity surrounding Square and Microsoft because of the moneyhat.
In this thread, there's much much less negativity surrounding Sony and Capcom because of the moneyhat.
So while all of the examples I provided may not be textbook hypocrisy, they are examples that demonstrate the abrupt change in tone for a similar occurrence.
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
This thread is a mess lol
Why should the attitudes be identical? Not all companies are held in equal regard by everyone. So your point wasn't really hypocrisy at all but the fact that currently people prefer Sony over Microsoft, as indicated by global sales? That's quite insightful.
Handy Fake
Member
In this thread, we know the square root of fuck all about what's gone on.
In the TR thread, we knew that it had been announced on both PS4 and XB1.
CountAntonius
Member
Exactly how I feel about it. Unless Sony helped fund and it wouldn't have been made otherwise it just feels wrong given the franchise.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a significant portion of the outrage in that thread over the vague wording of the exclusivity.
Pathfinder
Member
Which were the main points the people bish quoted were making. The posters he quoted were saying that people's biases were showing and bish wanted proof. people provided proof. what fucking point are you trying to make?