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Kingdom Hearts Community Thread: Now everybody can be a Keyblade Wielder!
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Sora still hasn't dealt with his darkness. Anti Form shows it's a problem. The Ventus nightmare shows it's a problem. And MX directly said that Sora belongs to him and after the end says the pieces will all fall in place. Chess master like him doesn't say things lightly. That plot line wasn't resolved at all.
I think that Re: CoM alludes to that heavily. Sora's response to the Organization is incredibly hostile (can't really blame him, but still) to the point where his mission is on the fence between a rescue mission and a revenge quest against the Organization because they kidnapped his friends. There's a lot of similarities between him and Terra. The only difference is that Sora isn't absolutely dripping with visible darkness at all times.
Someone who can handle the darkness (like Riku or Aqua) remains calm and collected and doesn't let people play mind games with them. Sora's too headstrong for that, and there's absolutely nothing that states why he SHOULDN'T have darkness. For starters, the keyblade isn't even his, it's Riku's, and even then, being a keyblade wielder doesn't guarantee darkness protection. And Sora fights for the light, but that doesn't mean that he can't get corrupted. I think the only reason that he's so involved in the plot is because he's the easiest keyblade wielder to manipulate, having had no training prior to DDD and no real idea of what he was doing. Organization needed to collect hearts, and Riku and Mickey probably would have caught on and stayed off of the radar.
DDD's plot was to kidnap him. That was the hard part since he was in Yen Sid's care at the time and technically being protected by his dream eater Riku. Turning him into darkness was the easy part because he has no special resistance to it. Without Ventus' armor and Riku he would have been screwed.
Furthering that, Sora has been used by the antagonist in every game he's been in. He wins due to underestimation, but he's:
Delivered Kairi's heart to HB to complete the great keyhole
Been manipulated by Naminé and the Organization in Castle Oblivion
Released hearts to build Kingdom Hearts of people
Played like a fiddle by True XIII
Having darkness isn't a bad thing; Riku shows that. But you still have to manage it. Sora has succumbed to the darkness multiple times: becoming a shadow in KH, Anti form in II, Nightmare in 3D. He absolutely can't keep his darkness in check and if he doesn't deal with it, he's fucked. Also worth keeping in mind is that in BBS and through the actions of Ansem SoD, Xehanort has shown an ability to stoke the darkness in the hearts of others. He did it to Terra and Riku, and through Riku to Maleficent. There's no reason to think he won't play Sora as well. So yeah, putting Sora on the darkness list.
Sora's probably going to become darkness again, leaving them short one light, and Sora falling to darkness will probably release Roxas who will have to be his stand-in. From a story standpoint that makes sense, but from an RPG standpoint it might be weird unless Roxas just inherits whatever upgrades you gave Sora. It would fulfill Sora's promise of having Roxas be his own person, too. I don't see Xion showing up as an actual fighter, though. I think she'll be a ghost that encourages Roxas, like the Father-Son Kamehameha, and her keyblade will probably appear for him to use at that point.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Maybe Xion will help him get out of the Darkness or something... if it goes down that way then Ventus, Roxas, and Xion would have helped Sora in some way.
Gotta be more specific than that. The last fight vs Armored Ventus? In Sora. The Young Xehanort fight? Real world.
I was referring to the Young Xehanort fight, but how is that possible? Sora and Riku have their younger bodies, and Riku still has his Dream Eaters with him.
badcrumble
Member
This is generally a case of gameplay justifying story stuff rather than the other way around. Call it a part of Riku's Dream Eater powers that he apparently gained over the course of the game.
The way I see it, Sora was still asleep so Riku retained his Dream Eater powers when he re-entered the real world. But yeah, basically gameplay justification since he returns to normal back at Yen Sid's tower before the final boss.
I'm not sure what accurately explains Nightmare Dream Eaters littering the real-world TWTNW. I guess that was Sora and his Nightmare, too.
I'm not sure what accurately explains Nightmare Dream Eaters littering the real-world TWTNW. I guess that was Sora and his Nightmare, too.
Napalm_Frank
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JF dream is dead. The series is done for. It's over 
At the beginning, they're in the same plane of existence. After that, Sora is on a path set by the new organization and Riku is in his dream, if I remember correctly. The finale takes place in several different locations. Sora's boss fight against Xemnas is in a weird dream version of the world that never was. When Riku finds Sora, he's in the standard dream version of the world that never was, where he found Sora to and tried to wake him up from the outside. His fight with Seeker of Darkness takes place in the realm of darkness, and the fight with young Xehanort is back in dream world that never was.
So Riku was in Sora's dream, then Sora got hijacked into a deeper dream while Riku went up to the surface level dream where everyone else was. And all of the dream levels look similar with some differences.
R10Neymarfan
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JF dream is dead. The series is done for. It's over
I guess when they said 2015, they meant 2015. But even that's vague. watch us get no news till Winter 2015
Riku is really in the real world for the YX fight. It's not inceptioning us.
Napalm_Frank
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Next interesting thing is that every KH game has been announced at some event and I doubt it will be something like GDC so we will be waiting for DDD HD for a while or they will break that tradition as well.
Then again I should not complain. Less time between announcement and release is preferable and if for example DDD HD was coming late next year then I would prefer E3 or whatever announcement.
I assumed that the Xehanorts were all meeting in the surface level dream world, which is how they all existed in one place throughout time and why everyone else could go in. Xehanort said that you can't time travel with your body, right? Plus, that castle shouldn't exist in reality after what happened in KH2.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
leaked kh 3 screenshot:
Source on Isanort?
badcrumble
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preorder cancelled
Blood Diamonds
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LegendofLex
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Riku actually comments on how he's in the real world, but still has his Dream Eater powers.
Of course, doesn't he appear in the Mysterious Tower in his true form?
Is it just the gold eyes that indicate someone's suffering from an acute case of Xehanort-ism, or is silver hair part of the deal? Saix never had it. Xigbar got some greys but I had assumed that was because he got older as a Nobody, but if I remember correctly Braig lacked any before the end of BBS, and even during the secret Re:coded cinema after he reconstituted.
Maybe peeps just like the look.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Silver hair is part of becoming a Xehanort, I think. Braig said he's "Already half-Xehanort" so that's why he has silver on his hair and I don't think Saix is even half Xehanort at this point.Is it just the gold eyes that indicate someone's suffering from an acute case of Xehanort-ism, or is silver hair part of the deal? Saix never had it. Xigbar got some greys but I had assumed that was because he got older as a Nobody, but if I remember correctly Braig lacked any before the end of BBS, and even during the secret Re:coded cinema after he reconstituted.
Maybe peeps just like the look.
I think the yellow eyes mean that you're in the process, but not fully assimilated yet. Like moving in your furniture but you haven't moved into the house yet. Or it may just be a side effect of fully succumbing to the darkness. Vanitas was pure darkness and he had them.
badcrumble
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I think the yellow eyes mean that you're in the process, but not fully assimilated yet. Like moving in your furniture but you haven't moved into the house yet. Or it may just be a side effect of fully succumbing to the darkness. Vanitas was pure darkness and he had them.
But also I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see Vanitas show up as one of the KH3 Org members.
If anything, KH3's looking like it's going to basically have a greatest-hits selection of villains going on. The only one less likely to show up is probably Marluxia, given that he wasn't exactly cooperative with Xemnas.
The thing about DDD HD is.. it will probably/possibly only be one game. It doesn't require as big an undertaking like remastering 2 games + making a movie out of another one, so it doesn't necessarily take 1,5 years to remaster like KH2.5 and at this point its release isn't necessarily a matter of how fast they could do it, but how soon they want to release it after 2.5. DDD isn't the biggest of KH games so they probably could release it really soon (Spring 2015 soon) if they started the remaster soon after the Japanese 2.5 was done, but they might want to wait for a while and maybe delay its release until Fall/Holiday 2015 just so that the gaps between DDD HD and the KH game preceeding & following it would be "optimal." They could announce it relatively late (E3 or even Gamescom) with a release pretty soon afterwards (Fall or end of 2015/early 2016).
Considering Square Enix probably deals mostly in fiscal years when planning their releases, they don't even have to release DDD HD in calendar year 2015 to fulfill their aim of one KH per year (it doesn't really make a difference in their eyes if it's October 2015 or February 2016). They already have one for the current fiscal year and the next one won't end until March 2016, so yeah, I think an E3 2015 or Gamescom announcement with a release ~4-6 months later isn't out of the question.
This assuming they don't do a bigger HD upgrade in the veins of Type-0 HD, though for that they'd probably have to outsource the project to HexaDrive or some other dev experienced with such stuff. Even then, as I said, DDD isn't the biggest game ever so it shouldn't take all that long in that case either and could actually be released in a similar timeframe as a just-a-resolution-bump HD remaster, since, again, a simpler HD resolution upgrade's release date is probably more dictated by their want to pace KH releases optimally (they could be relatively far along in the process already, but delay the release to have some space between 2.5 and DDD HD) vs. a bigger improvement actually taking ~1-1,5 years to develop and that limiting how early they can release it. Then it probably wouldn't be an early Fall 2015 (late August-September) title like a simpler HD upgrade perfeclty well could be and would more likely lean towards end of 2015/early 2016.
Vanitas could be justified by some logic like Master Xehanort creating him and thus having a big enough connection with him that he can kind of count or be used as one of Xehanort's incarnations/13 darknesses.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
True, that might explain why all the foretellers have yellow eyes
badcrumble
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Er, I think that part of the teaser was very much supposed to be the tip-off that this dude was going to turn into who we then knew as Xehanort. In BBS - the actual game - he gives into darkness a decent bit earlier but it doesn't give him yellow eyes.
I agree that there's other evidence in the series that yellow eyes just mean darkness, but (a) I'm not sure the BBS teaser stuff works for the reasons I stated and (b) there's some evidence that it's not a total correlation (even fully possessed Riku kept his blue eyes, IIRC).
badcrumble
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it would be really awkward if palpatine and master xehanort met because they basically have the same plans
To an extent, yeah. Palpatine wanted power. Xehanort wants answers and basically immortality. They just went about it in pretty much the same way.
badcrumble
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There are a fair amount of suggestions in EU stuff that Palpatine's full plan was to somehow possess the body of Anakin Skywalker before aforementioned body got hella fucked up and that that's a significant part of why he wanted a new apprentice in ROTJ.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
I just read a summary of the KH BBS Novels that expand on Vanitas' story and character... and holy shit his story is depressing. His backstory is actually incredibly well thought-out and clarifies his motivations during BBS.
ansem the wise had orange eyes after using the darkness to get out of the realm in between the apprentices banished him to.
edit: nvm, he had them in bbs too. still, he was never posessed. its more of a darkness exposure thing.
Riku never lost control of his heart.
Wasn't Riku still fighting for control in Hollow Bastion, and then when his body flat out turned into Seeker of Darkness he was fully possessed? When he give into darkness in 358/2 Days he technically had yellow eyes because he became Seeker of Darkness then too.
I should have phrased that better. Blue eyed Riku never lost control of his heart. When he gave in to the Darkness, he became Ansem SoD and got the gold eyes. Also, keep in mind that heartless have yellow eyes.
There's clearly something very fucked happening in [chi]. Hoarding the light and having petty squabbles over controlling it can't possibly end well.
Sora goes a lot more nuts in the remake than he does in the GBA version. Snapping at Donald, Goofy, and even Jiminy.
Also, I noticed that Wakka has X's on his pants and Tidus has an X shaped scar on his face. Clearly that is all the proof I need to confirm that they are also Xehanorts.
Also, I noticed that Wakka has X's on his pants and Tidus has an X shaped scar on his face. Clearly that is all the proof I need to confirm that they are also Xehanorts.
X just means you are traceable.
They were their own little universes that were sections of a larger universe sectioned by giant space walls, then in DDD they were different worlds in different timelines. Memories of worlds, more or less.
Yes.
Xehanort wants to reunite the worlds and see what lies beyond the KBW by triggering another one. And to be perfectly honest, I hope he pulls it off. His victory conditions don't preclude his ultimate defeat and I would love for KH to do a major paradigm shift in the third game. Plus, a reunited world sets the stage well for further tie in's with [chi].
Yes to the former part of the question or the latter?
They all started out in the same timeline, but they have been separated and are now running on separate time. There's a possibility of a time dilation in worlds closer to the darkness.