I guess you could look at Miiverse pics but they're pretty small
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/14866558073070141978/14866558073070141981?with_screenshot=1
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Games that tastelessly overuse graphical gimmicks
- Thread starter lazygecko
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I guess you could look at Miiverse pics but they're pretty small
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/14866558073070141978/14866558073070141981?with_screenshot=1
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Beyond what consoles will ever do? What are you talking about?
This is what devs were able to achieve with last gen consoles.
This is what's being done on next gen consoles.
and what's already been done on next gen consoles.
Extra Sauce
Member
Never noticed them, but then I never fought the Geth either.
Mr. Nice_Guy
Member
Beat me to it. Really enjoy that game but don't enjoy looking at it.
Triggerhappytel
Member
This is what's being done on next gen consoles.
My god, is that really in-game? That looks incredible.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
Banned
This. Usually I'm a fan of post-process effects, but this is too much.
Metro was the worst for this. I can barely see anything during that first area.
DOWN
Banned
Beyond what consoles will ever do? What are you talking about?
This is what devs were able to achieve with last gen consoles.
This is what's being done on next gen consoles.
and what's already been done on next gen consoles.
? None of those released so far are as detailed, well-lit, or abundant with effects as the original Crysis 3 pic, especially after the AA console games below 1080p often use. Uncharted 4 hasn't even happened yet, so it will only be a contender much later. I love the face tech in Unity, but no way does it ever have the visual clarity of the surfaces in that Crysis 3 shot in the console versions, which run a blurry AA'd 900p.
And all that without adding ginormous pores on a perpetually sweaty face.
Can't what?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Besides Uncharted 3 which uses slightly stylized character models all of those games had more detailed and realistic character models than Crysis 3. Oh here's another Crytek game on xb1.
I'm sure they'd agree that yes their latest game looks better than one from years ago. Especially since they toned down the ridiculous pores. And yes Unity on consoles didn't have perfect clarity due to 900p but they were able to run the game with ultra settings.
Exactly.
Take a flashlight and shine it into your eyes at an almost 90 degree angle. Helps to look at a white wall or something. But yeah, you really don't see your ocular veins.
I don't think I'll ever get tired of physicsy particle effects. That stuff always looks stunning.
No it isn't, and it won't look like that in game real time on the final shipping game.
SneakyStephan
Banned
It seems that every single new effect or gimmick gets overused and overapplied for years after it is first introduced in gaming...
Until finally people have such a degout of it that it stops being used at all or barely anymore or the hacks that go for artists in the industry finally learn to use it
film grain, bloom early last gen
Then color grading (pissfilters, battlefield 3 etc)
Lens flares
The newest one seems to be CA...
The bad thing is that developers still haven't learned how to use color grading (preferably not at all) so the two combine into the ugliest, visibility ruining unfit for gameplay storm of post process crap we've seen since bf3 combined lens flares and color grading to the point where they had to put markers over enemy heads to make the game playable.
Until finally people have such a degout of it that it stops being used at all or barely anymore or the hacks that go for artists in the industry finally learn to use it
film grain, bloom early last gen
Then color grading (pissfilters, battlefield 3 etc)
Lens flares
The newest one seems to be CA...
The bad thing is that developers still haven't learned how to use color grading (preferably not at all) so the two combine into the ugliest, visibility ruining unfit for gameplay storm of post process crap we've seen since bf3 combined lens flares and color grading to the point where they had to put markers over enemy heads to make the game playable.
Some people like those other effects, I can't think of anyone that thinks CA is a good thing.
Haunted
Member
Well, if executed tastefully, it can bring a certain cinematic quality to the image.
But most developers using the technique didn't have the necessary restraint to make it work yet.
Caayn
Member
I agree.
Personally I hope that CA in games dies a quick death. And that we can go and enjoy our games without getting the feeling that I need to put on my 3D glasses from the previous century, there's a reason why camera manufacturers try their hardest to get rid of CA. At least give us the option to disable CA.
I also hope that forced black bars don't become the norm.
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Banned
Unity is not at Ultra on consoles. It runs between high and very high depending on the element, and it certainly is missing all of the PC exclusive effects like advanced PhysX, upcoming tessellation, and HBAO+. And Ryse was also 900p with blur on Xbox One. The PC version, like the Crysis 3 image, is definitely clearer than consoles are outputting (higher res + better AA solutions). So does Ryse on PC look more detailed, sure. But not on Xbox One. I can't believe you are trying to argue that consoles match one of the best looking games on PC in technical prowess. Just because you like the looks on consoles, doesn't make them as good as PC in quality.Besides Uncharted 3 which uses slightly stylized character models all of those games had more detailed and realistic character models than Crysis 3. Oh here's another Crytek game on xb1.
I'm sure they'd agree that yes their latest game looks better than one from years ago. Especially since they toned down the ridiculous pores. And yes Unity on consoles didn't have perfect clarity due to 900p but they were able to run the game with ultra settings.
Exactly.
I comment on the visible detail thanks to the sharpness and clarity of the PC version and get a bunch of sub-1080 examples, many of which have been criticized for their AA or clearly fall short of PC versions.
Black bars/vignettes has to be the most useless arbitrary "effect" of all of them. I especially like the sloppy style of implementation where it forgets to cover a pixel row or so at the edges. Very noticeable on PC.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It's the character model that they're using for the game. I couldn't find confirmation for whether or not that was rendered in an outside renderer like Mental Ray or if it was rendered with their game engine. Considering it's ND, wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter.
Unity is ultra on consoles, aside from the pc exclusive effects it's at ultra. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1zMK2879Zg#t=521
You said that the no game on console will ever be as detailed as that uncanny valley Crysis 3 shot with the ridiculously excessive use of pores, I presented several examples and your response so far has been "Nope doesn't count" or "the shots aren't as well lit." Um according to who? There's only one light source in that pic and the background is blurred. You're acting like it's the best looking game ever and that it's a standard that consoles have yet to surpass.
Motion blur is a really difficult problem to solve, but it's obnoxious when it so badly fails to mask for depth. It's not an issue we've totally moved past either, KZSF actually has this problem.
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Banned
I really love the cinematic aspect ratio though. There's a whole thread for it on GAF. I'm a huge fan of the composition of shots in that ratio and was really glad both Beyond and The Order went with it.
The Dear Leader
Banned
//ARCANUM
Member
Sigh. You can't tell the white balance of something on a TV when taking a picture of it like that. There are many many factors at play. Maybe the TV wasn't properly calibrated, maybe the camera operator's white balance was set for the TV or the window and the colorist chose the window over the TV which resulted in more natural skin tones. There are so many factors.
Edit - actually the trees outside their window are reading as having a blue tint even. I don't think blue trees exist so I'd say white balance in camera is off. The white at the top is just blown out sunlight.
FrostuTheNinja
Member
Oh man, that's rough. But what's even more funny to me is the music. Complete and total ripoff of a song from Ys. Amazingly shameless.
bengraven
Member
What about Perfect Dark Zero's obsession with making everything look like shiny plastic?
BECAUSE WE COULD.
Believe it or not I had not seen any next gen footage at all, so come launch day I was a virgin. I hadn't even planned on buying a system.
Then I load up PDZ.
My first thought: "Oh wow, everything looks so slick"
My second thought: "why does the wooden crate look shiny?"
My final thought: "just because you can doesn't mean you should..."
So are you agreeing or disagreeing with me that the light from the window is the cause of the tv having a white washed out look to it?
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Hated the look of this game since day one. Bleh.
Somehow I just knew the first reply was going to be some terrible Zelda U reference.
Those come nowhere close to the prerelease footage.
You're using comparison pics from TWW HD tests. Windfall looks nothing like that in the actual game.Wind Waker HD has some pretty nasty bloom. At least it has selfies.
Those come nowhere close to the prerelease footage.
Piston Hyundai
Member
Even though they existed long before it, the bloom and normal maps plus excessively shiny surface (by their powers combined, they are... the Unreal Engine look) are the reason I think the last gen looked pretty awful overall and won't age well. I'd rather have something flat-looking from the PS2-era over that.
//ARCANUM
Member
My bad, I thought you were suggesting that the game is bad because the photo shows that the top of the window is white. Now I understand what you're saying and I agree with you.
CadetMahoney
Member
shaky wonky cam used in Capcom/Japanese games.
The absolute worst:
Mass Effect 2.
Hate this shit so much. Made few games unplayable for me, like for example one of the Call of Juarez games. I've also died several times, because of it in ME 3 MP :\
Excessive CA is another offender.
I was surprised Far Cry 3 SSAO hasn't been mentioned yet.
Usually ambient occlusion adds a lot of depth to a scene. Far Cry 3's use of it was criminal though. Everything had the ugly black outline.
Haha, that is kinda crazy
In case anyone wants to find out just WHY Jim Power sounds like Ys: Here's Why
I was surprised Far Cry 3 SSAO hasn't been mentioned yet.
I was vaguely wondering about the potential for abuse of ambient occlusion. I guess we have our jump the shark moment here.
Nothing is sacred indeed.
Caayn
Member
I enjoy the 21:9 aspect ratio, but only on my 21:9 screen. I hate being forced to have a 21:9 ratio displayed on my 16:9 TV because the device the game is running on can't output 21:9 ratios otherwise I'd hooked it up to my 21:9 screen.
Hence why I used the word "forced"
Don't use a 21:9 ratio if the device it's going to run on can't output that ratio, if you do at least give us the option to render it in 16:9 (I'd gladly take a graphical hit for that). Otherwise I'll just skip your game no matter how great it might be.I get it, but it still looks bad and thus qualifies as a "game that tastelessly overuses graphical gimmicks".
Caffeine
Member
Chromatic aberration is easily mishandled.
(Lords of the Fallen)
(Daylight)
Headache-inducing.
is that why i get headaches after playing it.
What cinematic quality? I would hope that cameras used for film had low amounts of CA.
The order used it because of perfomance reasons.
timetokill
Banned
I would love to see an example of this (especially done poorly) if you don't mind providing one.