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The Order 1886 Review Thread
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This attitude is far more detrimental to gaming than cinematic games.
Stereogatari
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The Order 1886 is very different to Uncharted. I agree with your criticisms of bloated game design but I don't think it applies here. The Order 1886 has a limited gameplay scope, is super narrow in level design and wrestles control from the player a lot.
Uncharted has wider levels, wider variety of gameplay beyond shooting and doesn't impose itself too much with cinematic elements.
The game's playtime deserves criticism for the price. Sell this experience for half the price and complaints in that department wouldn't be forthcoming. Also Uncharted games last double what I'm hearing Order 1886 does.
Agreed 100%
ArkkAngel007
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Lots of potential that is left unexplored, which pretty much the entire game's premise (The Order, Half-Breeds, world operates with the knowledge or lack-of these forces, Arthurian Legend). Performances are good and moments of decent writing, but the moments where the writing falters stick out like a sore thumb. Plot-lines are abandoned/left-hanging the moment they are introduced. Game ends anti-climatically. Doesn't feel like there was any resolution.
In short, keeps the player going with the promise of expanding out, but ultimately stays held above the players head and out of sight.
From what I've seen for myself and going by GAF impressions and these reviews.
Kssio_Aug
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And zero replay value. None incentives to go back.
anexanhume
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Uh, because they're completely different experiences?
Bornstellar
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I don't think that phrase means what you think it means...
LookAtMeGo
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I think Bloodbourne looks fantastic. But the souls style of game isn't for everyone. I wouldn't be in shock if The Order sold more.
ShockingAlberto
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Well, the Order's a bad one and
RurouniZel
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I think his point was actually about the idea that a game like The Order 1886 "is a game the games media would hate on principle" is false, as when this type of game is done better (Asura's Wrath) the media enjoys it.
Or perhaps better put, there are people who feel the game is getting low scores from the media because the media expects exactly one type of game (open/non-linear world, tons of extra missions, online MP, etc.) when there are plenty of counter examples that show the media can enjoy an Order 1886-esque game when it's done in a compelling way.
The overall vibe I'm getting from the Order 1886 reviews is that it's super gorgeous, but not very compelling.
orthodoxy1095
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Utterly subjective statement of course.
Ummm... What?
Shining Sunshine
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Meanwhile the same reviewers are happy with CoD's 4 hours campaign and tired multiplayer just because it has Kevin Spacey.
This is another reason why no one should listen to journalists.
This is another reason why no one should listen to journalists.
You are the best
Did the director actually say that? Absolutely amazing if that's the case, RAD deserve everything that's coming to them if that was what they were going with. I love cinematic games and IMO feel anyone saying ND games don't have good gameplay are talking a load of shit articulatory with how TLOU was.
I'm just thinking how RAD went from the GOW PSP games to this, those games had awesome gameplay but can't believe where they are now. It's not like Sony rushed them as well, I very much doubt these guys will get a second opportunity from Sony so feels bad, loved this studio.
I'm getting this tomorrow and for someone like me renting it, the game won't be so bad but for people paying £49? Nope, there are more than enough games out there with both quality and quantity.
Unfortunately, the director did indeed say that. And I completely agree with you about ND. They know they are a game company, they have a pedigree of making very fun games, and they've gained an enormous amount of talent balancing story presentation and gameplay elements, enough that they seemelessly blend together in most games. In ND games, playing the game is experiencing the story in a lot of cases. They always put the gameplay and the story they are telling on an equal playing field, because to them, it's the same thing.
It seems to me like The Order forgot that their customers are going to want to enjoy playing The Order as much as they are going to want to experience it. And it seems like in a lot of reviews, the critic praises the story but calls the gameplay utterly boring, a huge problem in something that is, at the end of the day, a videogame.
CambriaRising
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Not everyone likes the souls games. As popular as they are, they're still an acquired taste. Third person shooters are much easier for people to like.
I guess for me, I was never able to get into Demon's Souls or Dark Souls so I'm reluctant about Bloodborne (although I love the style).
1886 looked like a gorgeous new TPS in an inventive location. Looking at the reviews, it's pretty disappointing. I have a feeling Sony will overship this and I'll be able to find it in the bargain bin in no time.
Everything it does gameplay wise is done better in other, more fully realized games.
That's the impression I got.
I can't speak for other people, but I am happy that The Order got bad reviews because I don't wanna see a game like this ever being made again. A game should be about gameplay. It seems like RAD are more interested in making a CG movie than a game. I read one of the interviews in which they would go for days making environments without adding any gameplay and sometimes forget they were making a game instead of a movie. In the same interview, they also said the studio was all about making a movie or similar things. As far as I am concerned, RAD deserves all the criticisms that's coming at them.
anexanhume
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Just being pithy or do you have an actual understanding that a linear TPS may not appeal to the same audience as a difficult ARPG?
Yeah, one actually has gameplay.
ShockingAlberto
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I'm just saying, this is not a good hill to die on when it's clear a lot of the reason is simply to fist-pump for exclusivity.
There's a better exclusive down the road.
There's a better exclusive down the road.
maybe one is good and one is bad.
well there's a fairly large contingent who are really into cinematic AAA third person shooters and actually have a thing against challenging games in general like Demon/Dark Souls, so they were anticipating Order and not Bloodborne! "When I play games I want to relax. Work is for work" said the indignant gamer who is wrong about everything probably 'cause seriously who doesn't like Demon Souls.
You nailed it, shining sunshine. There are no other differences between them aside from the inclusion of kevin spacey.
Crimsonclaw111
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I figured we were talking Sony's big studios. As far as expecting The Order to be like Halo, I dunno.
Welfare
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It's the US. Nov+Dec 2013.
Pestilence11
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I just noticed that the OT is 7 pages and this thread is 43. Damn.
OverturePT
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Perfection. Curiosity got the best of me, I'm glad I clicked this thread.
See you later -tetsuo-.
The Shogun
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Yeah believe it or not its a big factor with a lot of people. Not that I'm saying that dooms The Order or anything but game length for the general public is a pretty big deal.
Yup. There are constant cutscene interruptions that some/most of the time can't be skipped. There are a ton of cutscenes in MP3. I adore MP3 though and its one of my favorite games of all time.
More and more I see top rated comments shitting on Neogaf with factually incorrect statements along with the usual reddit troll along with posts about how much better PC gaming is than the rest...
is this common thing now on every popular gaming-related video now?
Of course there are different ways of making single player games.
No one is saying that The Order is now the champion of single player experiences
There are probably much better single player games out there.I was just saying that in the current market if you decide to make an interactive movie you already know you'll get shit by default because there is a vocal community (reviewers included) against those titles and right now the template of the successful/appreciated game has completely opposite features compared to The Order.
Constantine81
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It would be a good comparison if not for the fact that Uncharted contains mostly gameplay. The Order 1886, however, contains mostly cut-scenes.
They have gotten flack for their story length since like 4, but the games are insanely replayable and have good-great multiplayer. add in zombies, spec ops, collectibles, etc.
It's not joy because they're evil or anything. People get pissed when actually-good games get little to no media coverage at all and games like The Order that looked mediocre from the very start have the entire industry and players talking about it.
Last year was simply a bad year for that kind of game.
2013 Bioshock and last of us cleaned up awards
2012 it was walking dead and journey were very popular.
ect.
If you read the criticism about the order its pretty obvious that the story is not great - and when so much gametime is spent on narrative that's bad. The shooting and set-pieces don't seem to grab people either and are nowhere near the level of an Uncharted or COD.
Standarts have obviously risen. If you do an 8 hour campaign it better be fantastic from start to finish - or you will get middling scores. Which the order is getting.
anexanhume
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This suggests that championing a platform exclusive is a worthy endeavor in the first place.
well they have reviews in it, they make a "summary" or whatever.
what did you expect from bad jokes anyway
speaking of which, I liked the gamepur review.
ShooterMcGavin
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Exactly, playing through ME1 was what really drove home this point to me.
Agreed, it never hurts to have more diverse experiences available.
Ahhh, very disappointing. I'll definitely wait for a huge sale / PS+ then.
Alebrije
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Both games are different but I agree , once Bloodborne launches very little people will talk about The Order.
I haven't played The Order, but Call of Duty had a good story and great pacing. There's more to a story than just its length and there's also more to Call of Duty than its single player.
Speaking of length. I'm seeing reviewers say about 6 hours of playtime. What happened to the 11 hours that people were gettin in the impressions thread?...
mcz117chief
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I can hardly mind the scores. I am confident that the game will be an awesome cinematic experience (great graphics, sound and attention to detail coupled with stellar cinematography) that I will undoubtedly enjoy multiple times. I like to have a varied collection of video games, some cinematic (like the Order and Metal Gear) and some pure gameplay (Warriors Orochi, Ace Combat, Dragon's Crown etc.)
Kssio_Aug
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No unlockable content.
No unlockable difficulty.
No trohpies for higher difficulites.
No online modes.
No skipable cut-scenes.
Collectables arent trackable so you could repeat the right chapter to get them.
How is that subjective?
You can play any game how many times you want, but the replay value of this game is not subjective.
goombatommy
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This. So this. I personally do not like the souls games and if Bloodborne is going to be just like them, then I probably won't like it either. I'll still give it a shot like I do most other games, but I'm just not genuinely excited for Bloodborne.
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