Yeah I can definitely believe you need at least twice as single thread perf to run games as good as consoles.
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DirectX 12 GPU exclusive features to be shown/announced at GDC
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Yeah I can definitely believe you need at least twice as single thread perf to run games as good as consoles.
justsomeguy
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Don't have links but MS are streaming some sessions.
Dictator93
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Where? Links brother?
Mengy
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While DX12 is super exciting for me as a PC gamer, I'm in zero rush to buy a new card for it. Win 10 needs to come out first, then games need to come that will utilize it decently, also cards need to hit the market with DX12 in design, and preferably I'd want to buy a gen2 DX12 video card (let them work the bugs out first) so yeah it's gonna be years until I am really taking advantage of anything with extreme DX12 features. Until then my 970 will get me along I'm sure.
Hopefully DX12 achieves everything it's promising to do for us, because that would be a welcome thing indeed!
Hopefully DX12 achieves everything it's promising to do for us, because that would be a welcome thing indeed!
970 is basically a DX12 card though.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Where please?
No microsoft streams, but this thread has a lot of other info, including a google stream starting now.
These Stream links should be added to the OPIt's as much as DX12 card as me, we both support it to an extent!
Its not a problem of Xbone, but framebuffer setup in Fox Engine. They could achieve 900p if they changed framebuffer setup.
justsomeguy
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Ah bother. Thought I read it was being broadcast.
edit: Available after the presentation: http://n4g.com/news/1672082/phil-sp...n-march-keynote-will-be-made-available-online
RazorbackDB
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It seems AMD already pushed a DX12 driver for W10, release the benchmarks!
http://community.amd.com/community/...ng-units-the-world-s-best-socs-for-directx-12
dxdiag says I have WDDM 2.0.
http://community.amd.com/community/...ng-units-the-world-s-best-socs-for-directx-12
dxdiag says I have WDDM 2.0.
TechMaster360
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Didn't Brad Wardell basically say deferred rendering will be dead by the end of this gen - or did I Mis understand his comment
Why is the internet so quiet about it ?
I was expecting a lot of news on DirectX12 after the panel.
dr_rus
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Benchmarks of what exactly? Can you name any DX12 applications?
We should be seeing some.
RazorbackDB
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of whatever? just give me something with both a dx11 and dx12 so I can compare performance on my system, and as far as I know futuremark and the star swarm guys have dx12 benchmarks applications internally.
RazorbackDB
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yeah I saw that, but there are still many variables, I have both my cpu and gpu overclocked so I'll only know for sure when I can test it myself.
You can expect significant performance increases even when GPU limited.
That aside, there were DX12 conferences Monday. Anyone got infos about those ?
What has been said / demoed ?
Fried Food
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awesome, by the time commerical VR headsets are out I will be able to buy the best graphics cards
justsomeguy
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4th march for the most interesting one to us.
RazorbackDB
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Some stuff from GDC
http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/GDC-15-Intel-shows-3DMark-API-Overhead-Test-Work
https://twitter.com/ORIGINPCCEO/status/573215013424390145/video/1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCjehquy6JE&feature=youtu.be
Nothing we haven't seen so far.
http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/GDC-15-Intel-shows-3DMark-API-Overhead-Test-Work
https://twitter.com/ORIGINPCCEO/status/573215013424390145/video/1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCjehquy6JE&feature=youtu.be
Nothing we haven't seen so far.
gamechanger87
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Detailed DX12 video up.
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GDC/GDC-2015/Advanced-DirectX12-Graphics-and-Performance
I think the 20% people were talking about was a very large generalization regarding Fable Legends getting switched from its DX11 setup to DX12.
Anyway, everyone should take a look at the video. Some pretty cool stuff.
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GDC/GDC-2015/Advanced-DirectX12-Graphics-and-Performance
I think the 20% people were talking about was a very large generalization regarding Fable Legends getting switched from its DX11 setup to DX12.
Anyway, everyone should take a look at the video. Some pretty cool stuff.
gamechanger87
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Unity move from DX11 to DX 12.
Before: 23ms for the frame
After: 13ms for the frame.
I need some help from more of the technically sound crowd here.
Also, there are two feature levels. FL 12.0 which is most cards and Maxwell is FL 12.1.
Before: 23ms for the frame
After: 13ms for the frame.
I need some help from more of the technically sound crowd here.
Also, there are two feature levels. FL 12.0 which is most cards and Maxwell is FL 12.1.
gamechanger87
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Also, there are two feature levels. FL 12.0 which is pretty much all cards and Maxwell is FL 12.1.
The 20% GPU improvement quoted by Phil appears to be related to UAV barriers and the improvement in Fable Legends when you just move from DX11 to DX12. It jumps from 900p to 1080p. More details on Friday.
Unity move from DX11 to DX 12.
Before: 23ms for the frame
After: 13ms for the frame.
I need some help from more of the technically sound crowd here.
Also, there are two feature levels. FL 12.0 which is most cards and Maxwell is FL 12.1.
Well in layman's the scene went from a ~40fps to >60fps scene.
It looks like the 12.1 features (Raster Ordered Views i,e, Order Independent transparency) and conservative rasterization do need new hardware so not a surprise as the latter is Voxel work really.
cleveridea
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so, er, can someone translate these terms into low INT words?
gamechanger87
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I don't think a GPU based on a 2011 design have any of the DX12 features. PR talk at best.
That does not really confirm anything as you can support DX12 without having hardware features. Maybe the said features exist under another name elsewhere.
Objectively Bad Opinion
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From what I can gather the Bone has tier 3 resource binding, and volume tiled resources. As well as typed UAV.
Probably not ROV or conservative rasterization though.
dr_rus
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Well, there you go. Maxwell 2 is actually a bit above the minimum h/w support level for DX12.
gamechanger87
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New thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1004500
Also according to MS, over 50% of gamers are covered by DX12 now and they expect to hit 2/3rds by the fall.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1004500
Also according to MS, over 50% of gamers are covered by DX12 now and they expect to hit 2/3rds by the fall.
LukasTaves
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I think they are using that card as the base for the 12.1 level. It doesn't support tiled resources for volumes for instance (which gcn does AFAIK), so for now DX12 doesn't support it.
It has support for volume tiled resources.
dr_rus
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A card can only support a higher feature level if it has support for all FLs below it.
Also Maxwell 2 support volume tiled resources.
What's more interesting is that it seems that GCN will support FL12_0. Or am I missing something?
Objectively Bad Opinion
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Yes, GCN seems to be stuck in a weird place between 12.0 and 12.1
I assume it'll just be a 12.0 GPU. Unless AMD somehow ships some kind of support for ROVs and Conservative Rasterization you can pretty much rule 12.1 out.
ROVs might be possible, since AMD supports Intel's OpenGL implementation. CR seems... unlikely.
The biggest changes in DX12 are an overhaul of the API and driver architecture, so a lot of the performace improvements are software-based and don't need new hardware. True there are some new hardware features but those aren't the most exciting bit.
Assuming it's a Sandy Bridge 2500k or later, you're fine and dandy.