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'An All-Male Party Makes Final Fantasy XV 'More Approachable', Says Director
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Kurofuku-kei is very popular in japan right now, isn't it?
QuiteWhittle
Member
I'm curious, how did Nomura address this?
skLaFarebear
Member
He could do that. There's a lot of things he "could" do. But it's a design choice and I think it's at least worth seeing and playing before we just write it off. It worked very well for something like Part 3 of Jojo. It could work here as well.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Like, if they're really going all in on "bros on a road trip" then you do get a different dynamic in an all male group. That might be offputting to a portion of their audience though. And attractive to another. Final Fantasy is one of the few series where the claim that the men are often as much objects of desire as the women is....reasonably true.
Eh, Vanielle ends up turning into a sexualized joke after a certain amount of hours, it has it's own set of issues with it's female cast, the largest being, IMO, Lightning changing personalities halfway through the game because it's more cohesive to the plot rather than having her work out her issues with Snow, the fal'cie, her sister and her past.
TheChillyAcademic
Member
The fact that he has to defend it rubs me the wrong way.
cloudzack117
Banned
there is nothing wrong with having an all male party
this whole thing is a non issue. people seem to forget that noct is the only person we play as, plus they have said multiple times that there are going to be new people that join the party later. this is like complaining about the party in kingdom hearts when it doesnt really matter since you only play as sora
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
I know I spend 2 hours making my hair super pretty when I'm gonna hang out with my bros.
TimeEffect
Member
I can understand what he's saying in terms of making a group of bros just being and doing guy things. I actually am interested in playing that dynamic myself
Though I would think that they can totally make a female character who fits into that group/shares that sort of character.
Though I would think that they can totally make a female character who fits into that group/shares that sort of character.
Look at the male characters
Cindy's design is pretty much just as ridiculous as the dudes though, its pretty consistent in the universe
Sounds either a little poorly worded or poorly translated, but what he says makes sense since every FF character in recent memory had a bunch of teens saving the day. Making them a bit more realistic is great and I think this is a good start.
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I think they're going for a best friends road trip feeling for this game. I understand guys and girls can be best friends, but let's be honest, for most guys, they act differently when amongst only guys friends. If the narrative pulls it off then it is fine.
The issue shouldn't be the all male cast, the issue should be the only female in the demo is a mechanic that dresses completely skimpy.
The issue shouldn't be the all male cast, the issue should be the only female in the demo is a mechanic that dresses completely skimpy.
I'd rather play as 5 female characters than 5 male characters 
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I always build a female character in games where I can. I'd rather spend 20-80 hours looking at an attractive woman than a guy running around on the screen. That's just me though.
It won't change whether I play the game or not, but I'd prefer a few females in the mix.
.I always build a female character in games where I can. I'd rather spend 20-80 hours looking at an attractive woman than a guy running around on the screen. That's just me though
.It won't change whether I play the game or not, but I'd prefer a few females in the mix.
I agree with people he probably worded it wrong. I hope anyways cause him even saying that made me more annoyed/offended at the no female in a FF game. But some people's rendition of what he said is a lot more understandable.
At the same time, I agree with the poster that this isn't the real world, these are fictional characters that will act as how he makes them, and there is no reason he couldn't have created a group that would be just as candid and have a female that was considered one of the guys that they don't act different in front of (in fact I'd love to be able to play a female character like that).
At the same time, I agree with the poster that this isn't the real world, these are fictional characters that will act as how he makes them, and there is no reason he couldn't have created a group that would be just as candid and have a female that was considered one of the guys that they don't act different in front of (in fact I'd love to be able to play a female character like that).
What rubs me the wrong way are people demanding an explanation and are looking for some sort of sexist underlying malice.
DannyDanger
Member
But you're one person...
Yeah there are worthwhile all-male stories to be told, sure, there's a lack of female stories told in gaming and everywhere else but not every game needs a gender balance, that's fair, but "more approachable" is not really just a way of talking, a wrong choice of words, his entire explanation stinks and then at the end it's the mandatory "it's just the story we want to tell this time".
Beelzebufo
Banned
That's not what he's saying though. The problem people have with it is that it's most certainly not more approachable unless all gamers are male.
Its Nomura's concept in the first place.
Its how he envisioned it years ago.The prince and his all childhood friends (who also happen to be his entourage) on a long quest together.
Tabata's just following it.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
Cindy seems to indicate a lack of awareness regarding female characters that aren't just there to be sexy. Tabata made a fairly creepy comment about how the male staff members are working on her.
Valkerionseven
Member
maybe for those who still hold the early 2000's indie scene in their hearts. No clue though have not personally seen it in years/tried to.
I do think the concept of a dudes road trip and "showing?" those stupid moments that guys have when its just us would be cool to see in game. Don't know if I want a whole game on that or more that I just full blown don't expect any developer to actually be able to pull it off well given what we got in the past.
50+ hours of Vivi and Zindane peeing in the wind type scenes are they going for that... heartwarming and brotastic for sure, but I think they got their work cut out for them.
Probably because it keeps popping up.
HUELEN10
Member
He's absolutely right, and at the same time, absolutely wrong.
Nevertheless, I don't see anything hateful or sexist in any way when it comes to this. I know some will disagree, but I for one applaud him for sticking with his idea for what he thinks is best for the overall story and delivery of the game.
Nevertheless, I don't see anything hateful or sexist in any way when it comes to this. I know some will disagree, but I for one applaud him for sticking with his idea for what he thinks is best for the overall story and delivery of the game.
Ditto.
Eh...
I guess the only thing I'd say about that is that these designs are clearly more meant to be eye candy for women than the traditional video game faire.
But it's early to say, we still don't even know what this game is about.
skLaFarebear
Member
Agreed. That's all he honestly needed to say. Better to tell the story you want with the cast you want then to shoehorn things that wouldn't work in your design and have it become a mess.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Well, in that case the game is not biased at all, both female and male cast are poorly written!
timetokill
Banned
Wait, are we seeing them right now when they DON'T look, uh, "prim and proper" ? They all look like a boy band or fashion models.
Probably because people keep asking why and/or criticizing the decision.
TheChillyAcademic
Member
I'd rather play as 5 female characters than 5 male characters
I always build a female character in games where I can. I'd rather spend 20-80 hours looking at an attractive woman than a guy running around on the screen. That's just me though
It won't change whether I play the game or not, but I'd prefer a few females in the mix.
See I never got this, being gay myself.
Seems like half the guys you ask will give your response "If I have to stare at someones ass for 30 hours, might as well be a chicks of course!" and the other "I'm a dude, why the fuck would I play as a girl??"
I wonder what differs between the two mindsets.
Supermanisdead
Member
After the way the demo treated the one female character, Cindy, I'd hate to see her included in the full party. Completely bullshit portrayal, imo.
Full game. It's been reported that the crew of 5 is the crew of 5, there will be no female party members.
Which is interesting because, at the end of the day, the only one you're using is Noctis, so i feel like the game would lend itself to all sorts of characters jumping in and out of combat on a whim.
Ha, fair enough.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Based on the simp fest during the car repair scenes with Cindy, I agree with the decision.
I will also mention, I think he's wrong about this making it more open to female players, especially with his explanation.
Because this just makes it feel like it's a story that was aimed at the guys and special to them. This is a bro story, you're a girl, you wouldn't understand.
That's the vibe I get from it. I don't think it makes me feel more open/welcome to it. It makes me feel like I'm not "one of the guys". It's a guy thing, you wouldn't understand.
That's what I get from his explanation honestly.
Because this just makes it feel like it's a story that was aimed at the guys and special to them. This is a bro story, you're a girl, you wouldn't understand.
That's the vibe I get from it. I don't think it makes me feel more open/welcome to it. It makes me feel like I'm not "one of the guys". It's a guy thing, you wouldn't understand.
That's what I get from his explanation honestly.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
the cast is already shit, add in dudes doing dude things being completely uninteresting just compounds it
HUELEN10
Member
Some of us are slow of speech and stumble like Moses; others are cunning, but spread hate and lies through welcoming words. It's all about the context and I tension, and if you really look at what he is saying, it truly isn't bad. I just hope he is not further misinterpreted; it's not a nice feeling.
I think the way this was answered was handled a bit poorly, BUT with that said, I really like the all-male dynamic. I like that they bro-fist after they pull off a co-operative move, and joke around together as they walk around. And oddly enough, I think having a girl there would somewhat break that friendliness up.
It's not as if there aren't female characters present in the game, in fact I'm sure many will become central characters.
I think people that are extremely against the all-male cast are blowing it too out of proportion, even though quotes like the one in the OT don't really help the case either =/
Also, I can't remember but was this ever blown out of proportion when it came out?
I don't think I ever had the problem "relating" to them because I'm a male.
It's not as if there aren't female characters present in the game, in fact I'm sure many will become central characters.
I think people that are extremely against the all-male cast are blowing it too out of proportion, even though quotes like the one in the OT don't really help the case either =/
Also, I can't remember but was this ever blown out of proportion when it came out?
I don't think I ever had the problem "relating" to them because I'm a male.