The Red Wizard
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Dem features that aren't even on the Wii U or 3DS that he uses so much.
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Dem features that aren't even on the Wii U or 3DS that he uses so much.
Pellegri Testament
Member
Just wondering, what exactly do you lose from this that you feel the need to attack them for it? I'd also like to know of your solution to the problem if you think this is so bad. Keep in mind that Valve is in fact a business and that businesses do not like wasting money where they do not have to (aka hiring a fleet of new people to handle the bots).
Well, in my opinion the only feature that hurts are the friend requests.
My 15 people are the only people I know of, but I don't think it is unreasonable to assume, that there are many active steam accounts who only have one or some big retail games.
Why is it okay to take away their community features?
Why don't the new rules only apply to new accounts?
I was trying to be as specific as possible as far as it relates to the topic.
No, but I think there are many people who only use retail games or key-sellers.
Nobody is denying, that there are cheap and good games on Steam's storefront.
But that doesn't mean one is actually interested in playing them. Some people are contempt with the games they have.
I think we enthusiasts on boards like NeoGAF, who have backlogs in the double digits, or care about hats, or jsut buy games because they are on sale are the exception and not the rule.
Now some people are suddenly forced to spend money you were not going to spend, if you want to keep access to features you had before.
mcz117chief
Member
I see
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
You know computers and current are investments too, right? Funny, my daily work involves fighting spam, not sure how you can judge whether I know how this works or not though.
I dont think they just have 1 million laying around to spend to keep their spambots.
How do you know if its profitable for them already though? They just changed it and if there wont be spambot friend requests in the future it isnt
Again, you can just have the other party add you as a friend. I really doubt peepz who haven't spent a single cent on the storefront really care about the other minor features that even I, as someone who buys games, don't even use.
Erm, because, you know, there's already millions upon millions of spambots registered on Steam...
Those are quite negligible costs compared to a 5$ per account.
And now, you don't seem to know how this works at all if you really believe they can get 5$ per spambot. They don't.
Magically enough unlike every day for the past month or so I haven't received any friend requests today.
Leafhopper
Banned
W h a t.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
If they run a farm of spambots in the thousands, then they sure have some money to invest in it.
We don't live in a world where Steam is the only place to act with spam bots. No matter what at least I hope we can agree that this makes Steam a lot less desirable target for people looking to do this kind of thing.
Wyndstryker
Member
I can talk with experience that the only way to deal with spam bots is to take drastic measures. In my old job we had to go as far as doing full country blocks because we realized not a single IP from certain counties was a player but were pure spambot production. We decided it wasn't worth the effort to cater for a potential few from that country that would most probably be not be paying for the service at all than to cut off all bot activity and improve the service for everyone else.
One rep can probably just mass ban a hundred script made accounts easy and investigate maybe a handful of "suspicious" accounts a day. But to go through the numbers Valve goes through, this measure can make their lives easier. There is no perfect system to deal with bots, but the more prevention measures in place can reduce the number of bots to near unnoticeable levels.
One rep can probably just mass ban a hundred script made accounts easy and investigate maybe a handful of "suspicious" accounts a day. But to go through the numbers Valve goes through, this measure can make their lives easier. There is no perfect system to deal with bots, but the more prevention measures in place can reduce the number of bots to near unnoticeable levels.
Thx (to the others too), not a Steamuser and never heard of idling.
Its more about return on investment. By increasing their operating costs scamming and spamming steam users is less financial attractive. There are likely better opportunities elsewhere for them.
Not if the money each account costs is way more than what they get for each one.
Leafhopper
Banned
It's cheaper to go in a popular MMO at that point. Steam isn't the premier place for spam bots.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
air jordans for dogs
Member
Good now the requests from all of these shitty bots will stop. No sympathy for those entitled babies who cry crocodile tears over 5 dollarinos but still want to use this excellent platform.
Wyndstryker
Member
It's stupidly easy to run spambot farms, and very little money to get it going. It's because it's so cheap thats why people do it. However many thousands of accounts get banned for every successful scam. The investment to keep operating under steam under this system is a huge hurdle.
What you forgot to mention is the mathematics that would for this to actually be viable.
You are out because not even you can come up with a way of each spambot making more than 5$. You have nothing to backup your claims with.
Nobody makes 5$ per spambot account, and this will severely hinder spambot creation. This is a fact.. Feel free to try and prove me wrong, because you won't.(and that's why you're out)
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Nah, I'm out because I have better things to do than spent my time arguing over this, while running in circles. You're already judging again.
Judging what? You're wrong. That's it.
CrunchyFrog
Member
So you don't play any steam games, You don't own any steam games. You have no interest in buying any steam games. You have a system already in place that still lets you play what games you do have. Do I need to go on or can you read the tea leaves on where I'm going with this?
theusedversion
Member
If this is to fight spam, why not just limit messages to only friends?
Leafhopper
Banned
Nah dude is totally primarily a chat client.
Obviously.
The problem isn't that, its them inviting people to be their friends as well, which you can't stop without blocking someone. You can't send messages unless they are your friend anyway.
Wyndstryker
Member
The friend invites themselves become part of the spam too.
Yeah, and those can be handled differently. By looking at how many of their friend request have been blocked, or how often they have been reported.
So if for example 2 friends decide to buy the newest Call Of Duty* to play together, they can not add each other
EDIT: *at retail
Messages are friends only and have been for years.
What they are fighting is the million spam bot accounts sending out invites to become your friend and trick hapless people into clicking a bad link.
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Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
I'm goin to be feeling a lot less popular now, for a while there I was hot shit, getting 5-6 friend invites a day
Thanks Gaben!
Thanks Gaben!
People can have a Steam library worth hundreds of $ without having ever spent a single $ on Steam's storefront.
Why is it ok, if those people suddenly lose features?
Oh, come on. it is not that hard to understand
air jordans for dogs
Member
If they bought the game then they've spent over 5 dollars
Leafhopper
Banned
I was just messing around. I get where you are coming from.
Your Call of Duty example doesn't make sense though.
CrunchyFrog
Member
Pureauthor
Member
In those cases, why would they have any trouble with just depositing 5 dollars so they can buy something from Steam next time a game they want comes up?
Pretty much the people that never been hit by the million fucking spam bots adding you sending phishing/trojans are pissed about it.
Thank god, maybe I'll actually have 90% legit friend invites than 10%.
Palette Swap
Member
I honestly can't imagine someone interested in these features wouldn't find how to spend 5 bucks on Steam.
No crocodile tears here.
No crocodile tears here.
theusedversion
Member
Then limit friend requests to 3-5 or whatever a day and disable any links. Problem solved. Seems like a better option.
Not if they bought it at retail. It definitely sucks for them if they never installed Steam before, buys the game at retail, installs Steam as part of it, and can't add each other as Friends. I guess they can buy the Season Pass. Lolz.
stan423321
Member
If they bought it in a box, which is a thing that happens in EU quite much, then it doesn't count.
Someone with a steam library worth hundreds of $ won't have problems spending a measly 5$ then.
Disabling being able to post website links in the largest PC gaming community sounds like a better option to you?
And they already did limit friend requests. It doesn't help when you can just create another dozen accounts.
theusedversion
Member
It's a slippery slope though. If you had made a thread yesterday that Valve should start charging to use their service, you would have been laughed off of GAF.
JoeyJungle
Banned
Well then they should buy different games!
CrunchyFrog
Member
This is maybe the only use case where I see the current policy being an actual issue. Admittedly the exception for retail Steam keys seems a bit arbitrary unless it's meant to keep out those games which have been cracked open with CD key generators.
The ability to use steam and play steam games is still free. You simply lose community features.
using Steam is still free.
There's no difference between using a indie bundle key and a retail key.
And you can get keys for close to 10 cents each