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How'd the 360 do in the same quarter of 2007?

500k

 

[vpance]

Relative to previous generations, if Ms sticks with the basic x86 architecture they could release fairly quickly without impacting publishers too much

Power is not the problem really. They just don't have the interest of Europe and the first mover plus price advantage of last gen.

 

[eFKac]

Good I'm ready for the WindowBox

Well I don't want to shell out 400€ for a PS5 in 2018 and I can't see Sony letting MS having a full year alone on the market with their next gen, and wouldn't blame them really.

 

[Scientificreason]

Considering E3 2005 I really doubt Sony was ready for an early 2006 launch. Honestly not even Microsoft was ready, but strategically was important to launch in 2005.

They told the world they were launching then, it was all over..you don;t do that if you do not think you are ready to launch....When has a major launch gotten delayed like that before in the console space?

 

[Scientificreason]

OG xbox 2001 360 2005 looks like 4 years to me. You post your "doubts" as absolute fact. Please tell us how much of the future you know?

Yeah but that gen didn't start with xbox...xbox was nearly 2 years after ps2 launched. The gen started when ps2 launched. Unless the console that sold 150 million doesn't count?

 

[ZhugeEX]

You probably have this: what does the gap between 360 and One look like? Increasing? Decreasing?

Microsoft regular makes comments like "... cumulative U.S. Xbox One sales continued to outpace Xbox 360 sales at the same point in its lifecycle."

Basically the Xbox One had an explosive launch with sales getting lower later on.

The Xbox 360 had a very small launch, with sales getting higher later on.

So ultimately the One will fall below the 360 at some point. Probably not this year, but soon.

 

[Gamezone]

UK?

Where is the X1 available for £199? I know some people who would be interested at that price.

Norway. They sold it for less than £199 for a short period of time. That was a special deal, but Sony had none of them so far. Deal or not, the Xbox is way cheaper everywhere else.

 

[Pezus]

Seems XB1 is down a bit and 360 down a lot more probably since it's dying. Not good for XB1 given the much lower price point

 

[frizby]

 

[KillerMan91]

Comparing to the 360 year 2 numbers Xbone is still probably treading the same or better. Year 3 of 360 is where it really starts selling, but 360 had the same down swing in year 2 of these 2 quarters. No reason to be worried at all at this point. If things are like this next year then get worried.

2006/07 1.0 4.4 0.5 0.7 6.6 11.6

2007/08 1.8 4.3 1.3 1.3 8.7 20.3

X360 followed Xbox that was destroyed by competition and sold meager 24 million units worldwide. Xbox One is following X360 that has sold almost 90 million units worldwide and went head to head with PS3. Brand should be way way stronger now than during early days of X360. Matching early X360 sales is not exactly high bar.

 

[SmokedMeat]

They killed the original Xbox one year after Xbox 360 launched.

Indeed, but they were new in the hardware business, and had a plan of not letting Sony get the jump on them. I can't imagine them doing that now that the brand is so much bigger.

 

[Raist]

It doesn't matter, we are in the off season.

How about doing a lot worse than last year's "off season"?

 

[freefornow]

These sales for XBO have got to be a concern for the xbox division. What a major mistep this console has been. The PS4 has this generation lock stock and barrel. Hopefully they are planning for future generation and use this gen a learning experience.
Some are saying 5 years? New console in 4 and the XBO discontinued in 5.

 

[ReBurn]

Sony had little control over bluray patents.....it was brand new tech, MS won't get that lucky again.

Sony had total control over the tech they used in their box. Their decision to use Bluray caused their delay, not the state of the patents. It turned out to be a good move, but it cost them early.

 

[Scientificreason]

Sony had total control over the tech they used in their box. Their decision to use Bluray caused their delay, not the state of the patents. It turned out to be a good move, but it cost them early.

Obviously but none of that changes what I said, the chances of that happening again are slim, it was a perfect storm for MS. Sony went for cutting edge, they had no way of knowing the patents would cause a delay, it's a risk they took. That wasn't the issue, the launch did more damage then the delay........The ps3 being expensive and a mess did way more damage.

Lets not forget rushing to market led to RROD.....that damaged Xbox in the long run.

 

[theprodigy]

How about doing a lot worse than last year's "off season"?

I think you fell for the troll, read the rest of the guy's posts

also wow 360's early start was shit...0.5m this equivalent quarter? then again that was probably because of the "first to 10 million" crap

 

[Leflus]

Comparing to the 360 year 2 numbers Xbone is still probably treading the same or better. Year 3 of 360 is where it really starts selling, but 360 had the same down swing in year 2 of these 2 quarters. No reason to be worried at all at this point. If things are like this next year then get worried.

2006/07 1.0 4.4 0.5 0.7 6.6 11.6

2007/08 1.8 4.3 1.3 1.3 8.7 20.3

A slim version of the XBO might be enough to keep it ahead next year. No idea if they're actually making one, but I feel like it would be a perfect time to introduce a revision of the console (in time for the Gears 4 launch).

I think the real challenge lies in the longterm sales. The 360 hit its peak in its 6th and 7th years on the market. I really doubt that the XBO will be able to match those numbers.

 

[TimeEffect]

XBO + X360 = 1.6 Shipped (January-March).
PS4 = 1.7 sold through (January-February).

Oh wow.

We're never going to know the X1/360 breakdown, are we?

PS4 really almost sold 2 million in two months!? What was even out then?

Does that mean we don't yet know numbers after games like Bloodborne and ...what other major games released with BB anyway? Battlefield?

 

[etta]

That's only because ps3 got delayed...Sony is not making that mistake twice. Are you sure you are not in a different universe? What is stopping sony from launching the same time? That was into year 5 of the previous gen, not 4. If publishers are not on board you cannot launch a console.

Ps3 got delayed....... that's the only reason why. They had intended to launch early.

The ps3 got delayed was the only reason.....Sony had planned to launch earlier. A new gen does not mean last gen stops selling......especially if it is shorter, ps2 sold tonnes after the next gen started.

The ps3 was delayed due to Bluray patents...... I don't think people would buy a new console in 4 years, it's too early. If it were that easy MS would just launch early all the time to get a year lead.

Wow dude you should relax a bit, my goodness

 

[le.phat]

 

[Death2494]

What is the likely hood of Xbox One YOY being down?
If I recall they had the Titanfall bundles going for around $350. No big games either.

 

[Scientificreason]

Wow dude you should relax a bit, my goodness

I am relaxed, it is called a discussion board isn't it? I am only replying to people who reply to me what's the issue? Nothing I posted was inappropriate.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

XBO + X360 = 1.6 Shipped (January-March).
PS4 = 1.7 sold through (January-February).

Dear god... this is just a massacre.

 

[ZhugeEX]

I think you fell for the troll, read the rest of the guy's posts

also wow 360's early start was shit...0.5m this equivalent quarter? then again that was probably because of the "first to 10 million" crap

Yup.

MS decided first to 10m actually meant something and so ended up with an estimated 2.4 million unsold units at the end of 2006. They sold in an additional 1.2m units for H1 2007 taking channel to 3.4m and it's estimated that sell through was over 2.3m units which took channel back down to a more somewhat reasonable 1.1m units.

 

[etta]

I am relaxed, it is called a discussion board isn't it? I am only replying to people who reply to me what's the issue? Nothing I posted was inappropriate.

You're kinda flooding the pages like you did in the other thread.

 

[Guevara]

Basically the Xbox One had an explosive launch with sales getting lower later on.

The Xbox 360 had a very small launch, with sales getting higher later on.

So ultimately the One will fall below the 360 at some point. Probably not this year, but soon.

That's what I figured, thanks.

 

[benny_a]

Dear god... this is just a massacre.

Why always this aggressive terminology. The youth and their Mortal Kombat.

1.6 M shipped BRUTALITY.

 

[jaypah]

Obviously but none of that changes what I said, the chances of that happening again are slim, it was a perfect storm for MS. Sony went for cutting edge, they had no way of knowing the patents would cause a delay, it's a risk they took. That wasn't the issue, the launch did more damage then the delay........The ps3 being expensive and a mess did way more damage.

Well the X1 launched at the same time, more expensive, less powerful and with a shitstorm of DRM/privacy concerns. Seems like a perfect storm for Sony, look no further than the shift after that E3. MS had their ass handed to them out the gate. What happens if they both launch without major fuck ups? Or one or the other launches sooner with no fuck ups?

I have no idea what would happen and I don't mind stating that. Sony would still take it WW on brand alone but that's just my opinion. You kind of seem ready to shoot down any scenario where MS gains any ground again. You've watched this industry long enough to know that it's foolish to assume absolutes this far out.

 

[Frank Serpico]

Surface Pro 3 putting in work!

Damn fine tablet, best I've used to date. Success is well deserved.

I love my iPad but iOS on a 9.7" that does nothing more then an iPhone is a joke, especially compared to the surface

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Why always this aggressive terminology. The youth and their Mortal Kombat.

1.6 M shipped BRUTALITY.

B...b...but I don't play Mortal Kombat

 

[Scientificreason]

Well the X1 launched at the same time, more expensive, less powerful and with a shitstorm of DRM/privacy concerns. Seems like a perfect storm for Sony, look no further than the shift after that E3. MS had their ass handed to them out the gate. What happens if they both launch without major fuck ups? Or one or the other launches sooner with no fuck ups?

I have no idea what would happen and I don't mind stating that. Sony would still take it WW on brand alone but that's just my opinion. You kind of seem ready to shoot down any scenario where MS gains any ground again. You've watched this industry long enough to know that it's foolish to assume absolutes this far out.

Pretty obvious imo, sony would still easily win WW because they sell well everywhere...It would probably be a bit closer especially in the US and UK, but elsewhere not much would change. Thats why ps3 was able to recover and make up the year difference, xbox one cannot. Fail to see how it is downplaying , it is the facts of how each brand performs.

 

[Miles X]

I still don't get why 'shipped to retailers' is considered an achievement by MS marketing.

Ugh the ignorance.

This is financials. This is what they have sold. This is where their revenue and profit figures come from, not from how many stores have sold (which is completely irrelevent).

 

[jaypah]

Why always this aggressive terminology. The youth and their Mortal Kombat.

1.6 M shipped BRUTALITY.

Hey man, at least consoles aren't getting "raped" anymore. We're making progress!

 

[Bgamer90]

I love my iPad but iOS on a 9.7" that does nothing more then an iPhone is a joke, especially compared to the surface

Agreed. I love my iPad too but I'm still amazed that they don't give iOS its own (major) features on iPad instead of simply making everything on iPhone bigger.

 

[Adachi]

That's the point and from a business perspective it's a smart way to provide numbers. I would love a breakdown of every console sale and game sale but unfortunately that won't happen.

It's only the point when you've got something to hide or don't think investors would like it, if they saw what's really going on with for example Xbox.

I mean I'm just some random dude on the internet and I always immediately assume that Xbox isn't exactly raking in cash for MS when I see stuff like that.

At least Nintendo reports their numbers as clear as possible, no matter how shitty they are, Sony is pretty open at the moment, but should at some point hardware sales slump hard then they'll probably lump some stuff together as well, we'll still get OI from the PS division though.

 

[Raist]

Microsoft reached 10m before December. They confirmed this December 3rd.

We can work out LTD Xbox One shipments to be around 12m (some market research companies estimate 12.4m) before at the end of 2014.

It's highly likely shipments have crossed 13 million. But not 13.5 million.

It certainly isn't highly likely they crossed 13M no.

I don't get how you keep overestimating that and use "market resarch companies" who tend to be awfully off (and in general way too much ahead of actual numbers).

MS was going to be "10M shipped soon" in mid-november. At a period of time where they stuffed channels like crazy already for quite some time. There's absolutely no chance in hell they shipped another 3M+ since then, considering how much it's tanking everywhere. If they were moving that many units they wouldn't have "temporary" price cuts and crazy game bundling every other day. It's just common sense.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Yes there is. PS4 will fall under Wii this quarter and remain under Wii for a long time now.

Thanks, yes looks like it could be comfortably between PS2 and Wii if sales carry on similarly, not a bad place to be.

 

[yazanov]

Ouch. One would expect sales to increase after the drastic price cuts. This does not look good for the Xbox one no matter how you slice it. Holiday season bonanza clearly didn't pay off in the long term.

I'm curious to see what MS will do against a $299 Ps4 . Cant wait untill the " pre seasons" ends.

 

[jaypah]

Pretty obvious imo, sony would still easily win WW because they sell well everywhere...It would probably be a bit closer especially in the US and UK, but elsewhere not much would change. Thats why ps3 was able to recover and make up the year difference, xbox one cannot. Fail to see how it is downplaying , it is the facts of how each brand performs.

I was talking about your prophecy for next generation. The race is over for this generation, Sony's just doing victory laps for a few years and spinning donuts in the winners circle.

 

[EatMyFace]

Yes there is. PS4 will fall under Wii this quarter and remain under Wii for a long time now.

PS4 hasn't even hit PS2 launch price yet though let alone the Wii.

 

[Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule]

Why always this aggressive terminology. The youth and their Mortal Kombat.

Hahahaha you are right.

At least xbox one is selling like last year..

 

[ZhugeEX]

It certainly isn't highly likely they crossed 13M no.

I don't get how you keep overestimating that and use "market resarch companies" who tend to be awfully off (and in general way too much ahead of actual numbers).

MS was going to be "10M shipped soon" in mid-november. At a period of time where they stuffed channels like crazy already for quite some time. There's absolutely no chance in hell they shipped another 3M+ since then, considering how much it's tanking everywhere. If they were moving that many units they wouldn't have "temporary" price cuts and crazy game bundling every other day. It's just common sense.

No I completely disagree.

I'm not just using market research companies.

I'm using Microsofts own data as well which confirmed 10m end of November and also we know what PS3 sold and so can use that to estimate Xbox 360 sales figures.

If you honestly believe that shipments are nearer 10 million than 13 million it means the Xbox 360 more than doubled PS3 sales last year.

Do you really think that's right?

I'm not over estimating anything. In fact I'm under estimating what market research groups are saying.

 

[Scientificreason]

I was talking about your prophecy for next generation. The race is over for this generation, Sony's just doing victory laps for a few years and spinning donuts in the winners circle.

So was I...it will play out much the same like I said, only a bit closer, Sony sells way better on all territories, MS is still largely a 2 territory console. This doesn;t factor in something changing the dynamic like VR or some new tech we dont know about, but if things are largely as is.

 

[Javin98]

Damn, another sales thread made when I was asleep.... Anyway, those numbers sound bad. Like others have said, the PS4 alone sold through 1.7 million in January and February. It seems that it could have easily shipped over 3.2 million units by the end of March.

 

[Death2494]

It certainly isn't highly likely they crossed 13M no.

I don't get how you keep overestimating that and use "market resarch companies" who tend to be awfully off (and in general way too much ahead of actual numbers).

MS was going to be "10M shipped soon" in mid-november. At a period of time where they stuffed channels like crazy already for quite some time. There's absolutely no chance in hell they shipped another 3M+ since then, considering how much it's tanking everywhere. If they were moving that many units they wouldn't have "temporary" price cuts and crazy game bundling every other day. It's just common sense.

Don't do this man. This won't end well. I know exactly how you feel though. His extrapolation methods aren't conventional.

 

[MisterR]

What do you mean?

On topic, declines are bad, but I don't see the Xbox division losing any sleep over this. In my opinion.

He means during the same quarter last year an Xbox One cost $500 dollars. Now it costs $350 with pack in game.

 

[etta]

He means during the same quarter last year an Xbox One cost $500 dollars. Now it costs $350 with pack in game.

Two different SKU's. They are their own product to Microsoft. But whatever, I know that it's easy to overlook that.

 

[theprodigy]

It certainly isn't highly likely they crossed 13M no.

I don't get how you keep overestimating that and use "market resarch companies" who tend to be awfully off (and in general way too much ahead of actual numbers).

MS was going to be "10M shipped soon" in mid-november. At a period of time where they stuffed channels like crazy already for quite some time. There's absolutely no chance in hell they shipped another 3M+ since then, considering how much it's tanking everywhere. If they were moving that many units they wouldn't have "temporary" price cuts and crazy game bundling every other day. It's just common sense.

...it is precisely because they have so much excess inventory that there are deals everywhere

also you have yet to explain why 360 shipments are so high if you're correct

 

[ZhugeEX]

...it is precisely because they have so much excess inventory that there are deals everywhere

Correct.

Which is why this quarters sales are quite low.

Theoretically speaking the X1 should be up YOY but it looks like it's either stagnant or down.

 

[Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule]

It certainly isn't highly likely they crossed 13M no.

I don't get how you keep overestimating that and use "market resarch companies" who tend to be awfully off (and in general way too much ahead of actual numbers).

MS was going to be "10M shipped soon" in mid-november. At a period of time where they stuffed channels like crazy already for quite some time. There's absolutely no chance in hell they shipped another 3M+ since then, considering how much it's tanking everywhere. If they were moving that many units they wouldn't have "temporary" price cuts and crazy game bundling every other day. It's just common sense.

So 360 is likely above PS3 in shimpments guys!