Eh, people were going to throw money at it anyway even if it was unsustainable garbage. Kickstarter is a tool of deposed celebrities to get money for pet projects but I guess that's at least better than it was because maybe the games will be worthwhile. Having these people toil on mobile games is probably a waste.
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Launching a Kickstarter campaign on an E3 press conference
- Thread starter Salsa
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I think it would have gotten a ton of publicity either way. It's Shenmue 3 the most talked about non-existent game of all time from the butt of jokes, memes, to desperate demand all across the entire internet.
InsaneZero
Member
It's like the Red Cross proudly stating that they helped people build homes, only on a far less extreme scale. That's the closest equivalent I can think of right now.
Dreamgazer
Member
The Kickstarter ($2M) is not going to get this done.
We already know devs sometimes do kickstarters just to gauge fan interest and make publishers put in the big bucks. If Sony is ultimately going to pay for the rest of the bill, then their E3 showing is perfectly fine to me.
qa_engineer
Member
Nah this makes way too much sense. Never change, GAF.
Silvawuff
Member
The concept of selling a game before it's finished is nothing new. It used to be called a "preorder" instead of a kickstarter.
If they want to do it this way, why not? It makes more business sense to me if they're not willing to back a project completely. It's win win all around.
If they want to do it this way, why not? It makes more business sense to me if they're not willing to back a project completely. It's win win all around.
uncledonnie
Banned
Agree with OP but man it's Shenmue 3 and we got to see Yu on stage at an E3 press conference in friggin 2015. I just can't be mad about that.
But yeah it is a bad precedent and hopefully not repeated again...
...unless for Skies of Arcadia or Lost Odyssey sequels.
But yeah it is a bad precedent and hopefully not repeated again...
...unless for Skies of Arcadia or Lost Odyssey sequels.
TheSpoiler
Member
Did you really just compare what Red Cross did by screwing over the livelihoods of human beings to an optional video game campaign? And somehow you couldn't find a better equivalent?
Like seriously?
zeopower6
Member
I think it'd have gotten a lot of publicity, but not on this level. I mean.. KS was unusable for like 20 minutes after the announcement. D:
Bamboo Boy
Neo Member
Really people? Have you even gave yourselves the time to see the Video of the Kickstarter? It clearly says that he just relied on kickstarter for this project. He never mentions PlayStation.
Some people is just blind and deaf because they want to be that way. :/
Some people is just blind and deaf because they want to be that way. :/
Cheat Code
Member
Two million wont fund development.
Sony are probably funding it. Almost blatanly just marketing.
Sony are probably funding it. Almost blatanly just marketing.
dude
Same here. Is it just that people dislike it when a big publisher promotes a Kickstarter? What possible negative consequences could this have?
It's a little tiring to see people constantly equating investment with "begging". It seems like an unnecessarily negative way to view things.
qa_engineer
Member
QUOTE=shinobi602;168208598]Just for those wondering about the 'budget':
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NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
That'd make it even more shady.
If Sony's plan was to make Yu launch a KS.. take the fans money up front.. then front the money after the fact?
Seriously, you support Sony Kickstarting games? Really?
TheSpoiler
Member
You realize that most of the people putting money toward a KS are going to get a copy of the game, so therefore they won't need to buy the game again, right?
That tag is on point, tho.
Edit: Just in case you don't get it - if I put down 29 bucks, I get a copy of the game. That's the minimum for it, and once the game releases, I get a copy! At this point, my role as a customer is done, because I'm already getting my product if the game is funded. Once it hits the investor's requirements, whoever doesn't pay for a copy of the game via KS can just by it as normal. Nobody is getting their money taken "twice".
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
Absolutely agree that it was scummy, sort of baffled no one on the streams has called it out yet. Not a good precedent to set. Fund this game for us... what? Why? You do it you assholes, it's your exclusive franchise apparently.
Seriously weird.
Seriously weird.
Yes, exactly. for me too. Don't even understand why people are complaining.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Truth be told, he didnt need sony for this to be funded, I mean he could have announced this tomorrow on kickstarter and a shit ton of money would have came flooding in regardless. And this isnt even a spiritual successor like bloodstained or yuka-laylee this is straight up shenmue 3.
InsaneZero
Member
I'm kinda tired at the moment, so I can't really think of any other good examples of an entity responsible for financial management of a project's development pushing their responsibilities to the public while garnering the good will for initiating said project.
I'm quite troubled by that, when I think about it, and if it turns out to actually be the case. KS shouldn't be a market viability evaluator, it should be a tool to make things that aren't "valuable enough" happen. At least in my mind anyway.
Also, SEGA must own Shenmue. What's their involvement in this project? How much of the budget will be directed towards paying royalties to SEGA?
InsaneZero
Member
What is the big deal? The way they worded it? Mighty Number 9 was announced in a similar fashion. Hell Darkstalker's Returns literally BEGGED the Fighting Game Community to make noise at Capcom to allow them to do that. What is different here? Because it's a "big name"/event?
But SEGA was credited in the Bayonetta 2's announcement, wasn't it?
TheSpoiler
Member
Then instead of equating people's lives to a crowdfunding opportunity, you just not make an analogy? Priorities, man.
MrCunningham
Member
Maybe I am not thinking this through all the way, but yeah, you're right. to million dollars isn't enough to fund this game and there has to be an another external source of funding coming from somewhere. Who knows if it is from Sega or Sony, or possibly both are splitting the bill in half? But I do think it was Cerny pulling the strings on this one behind the scenes. I doubt anyone at Sony outside of him would have enough clout to make this happen.
But even if dropping a console from development for promotion was the case, I could still see that being beneficial. Sure a simple Twitter post could still generate enough hype, but given that this kickstarter is the fastest gaming kickstarter to hit 1 million, announcing this at a high profile press conference is an even bigger win for Yu.
If they do announce a Xbone version of the game, it will probably be through a stretch goal and get a release 6 months later.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Yes, you get a copy.
Yes, it's shady as fuck if Sony is funding this game.. and still launching a KS.
Nobody who puts money up is getting scammed or anything.. but it's a joke if they have funding lined up already and still Kickstarted the game.
I'm not sure that's happening, but that's what the guy I replied to implied.
qa_engineer
Member
How do you know that appearing on Sony's stage didn't help? You're just stating something to prove a point in which there are no facts to back it up. I'm not saying that it did or didn't but we all know that there were several million around the world who saw that conference. The kickstarter already surpassed 1MM dollars funded at this point, and to say that Sony had no part in accelerating that process is disingenuous
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I hope Sony agrees to match whatever Yu raises on Kickstarter.
Yeah so weird to see a marketing move at a conference explicitly for promotion of one company at an event thats explicitly for marketing games.
Disagreed. You should understand that 2 milllion is not enough to make this game happens. Even 10 or 15 mil is not enough for that kind of game. So Kickstarter is just a part of funding.
I'm confused here. Where is this PC/PS4 platform talk coming from? Is this definitive? Have I missed it?
Because if the $2m is meant to be a gauge for other publishers, how can this be a console exclusive on PS4? Surely pubs would want all platforms?
Like Salsa pointed out, Boyes was very much talking about "their" project, so I'm just curious about how the talk is PC/PS4, when I'm not sure how one could claim console exclusivity for it?
Because if the $2m is meant to be a gauge for other publishers, how can this be a console exclusive on PS4? Surely pubs would want all platforms?
Like Salsa pointed out, Boyes was very much talking about "their" project, so I'm just curious about how the talk is PC/PS4, when I'm not sure how one could claim console exclusivity for it?
Rational reasoning on a sensationalist thread? No way!
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Yes, confirmed to come to PC + PS4.
On their KS page. The game is only listed for PS4 and PC
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Fuck cynicism. Save that shit 'til after E3.
TheSpoiler
Member
It's like everyone wants businesses to operate on the assumption that forum goers are honest and truthful and are definitely going to put their money where their mouth is in regards to a niche game!
Games nowadays aren't as safe as they used to be. Proving general interest is incredibly difficult, and then making a game based on that and trying to make a profit is a fine balance.
If Sony ain't funding this, someone else will. It's a way to get investors to foot this shit. In the process, gamers get a copy (at probably a reduced cost) and get a way to help fund a title that probably would or wouldn't have made it.
It's very possible that Sony isn't going to touch this shit unless it hits the market, or any other publisher. They gave them a platform to make their case on.
Dental Plan
Member
It depends on how much Sony is funding the game. I don't want to assume but my thinking would be to do the kickstarter to see how much interest people have with the game.
They are basically going to put that kickstarter page up during meetings to show how many people care. The same way companies brag about how many facebook likes the company has.
I think its terrible and sad.
They are basically going to put that kickstarter page up during meetings to show how many people care. The same way companies brag about how many facebook likes the company has.
I think its terrible and sad.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I didnt say being presented on Sony's press conference didnt help, I said they didnt need to, with only 2 million goal it was going to reach it either way, maybe somewhat slower if it wasent announced at E3 but it would be nothing to worry about.