lolIt's too late for that, the entire campaign has been poisoned, there's no changing anybodies mind about the game now. :_:
it takes you two seconds to check the kickstarter to see red shirt is not cedric biscayIf Cedric is the guy on the right, then I'm sorry, but your money has all been smoken for.
It's interesting to consider: There's "only" 45,990 backers at the time of this post...That's "only" 45,990 units sold...That's sort of wack when you think about it?
I mean, like, here's a list of the million sellers PS1 games:
(Source)
According to Wikipedia, Shenmue moved 1.2 million units on Dreamcast.
Here's some comparable DC game sales figures. Not sure on accuracy (an old Gaming-Age archive):
http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/sega-dc-sales-03-04-2003.htm
I'll just pull some randoms with similar sales:
Code:2044 DC FERRARI F355 CHALLENGE Sep-00 ACCLAIM ENTERTAINMENT 3 39,593 1913 DC STREET FIGHTR 3:DOUBLE Jun-00 CAPCOM USA 7 54,498 899 DC PLASMA SWORD Apr-00 CAPCOM USA 687 50,464
Don't they have a hand in back goods fulfillment?
Can we compare how many backers other Kickstarters had 10 days in?
I trust them to do anything but communicate with the fans. I mean, they're still in business, so it stands to reason that they're competent at something. And it isn't communication...oh god
no one is getting their goods
Just had a look at a screenshot of the KS from earlier. 150 more backers and they made over 30k.
That's kinda harsh, I mean as soon as the KS is over Crappy Japan is out of the picture and Ys Net will get the job done no matter what, that we can be sure of.
That's kinda harsh, I mean as soon as the KS is over Crappy Japan is out of the picture and Ys Net will get the job done no matter what, that we can be sure of.
I don't think it's harsh whatsoever as you are asking the consumer to fund your beloved project, and yet have hardly nothing to show for: kickstarter campaign has been nothing but a PR disaster (funded by Sony, then not funded, then $10 million for full awesome mode, to $5 million okay mode). I mean what is going on here.
It's been poorly handled since day 1, their Kickstarter page has not been updated accordingly, and the stream was just... I'm speechless.
How do you instill confidence or ask people to pledge more if you can't get your act together yourself?
I'm just so disappointed ;.;
Yes, and look at all the public confusion, negative press articles and videos already, because of them.We've only known about the game for a week and a half. Calm down.
Is it too late to hire those guys that ran the Bloodstained KS? What were they called again...FanGamer?
It's interesting to consider: There's "only" 45,990 backers at the time of this post...That's "only" 45,990 units sold...That's sort of wack when you think about it?
I mean, like, here's a list of the million sellers PS1 games:
(Source)
According to Wikipedia, Shenmue moved 1.2 million units on Dreamcast.
Here's some comparable DC game sales figures. Not sure on accuracy (an old Gaming-Age archive):
http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/sega-dc-sales-03-04-2003.htm
I'll just pull some randoms with similar sales:
Code:2044 DC FERRARI F355 CHALLENGE Sep-00 ACCLAIM ENTERTAINMENT 3 39,593 1913 DC STREET FIGHTR 3:DOUBLE Jun-00 CAPCOM USA 7 54,498 899 DC PLASMA SWORD Apr-00 CAPCOM USA 687 50,464
sorry about the allcaps but:
AWESOME JAPAN ARE ONLY RUNNING THE KICKSTARTER AND ARE NOT INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENT, YOUR MONEY IS SAFE WITH YU AND YS.NET
chill out. we got some funny gifs, some new and interesting information, and nearly another 30k pledged.
I'm not denying that, but saying how there's no changing anyone's mind about this game is hilarious and ridiculously premature.Yes, and look at all the public confusion, negative press articles and videos already, because of them.
sorry about the allcaps but:
AWESOME JAPAN ARE ONLY RUNNING THE KICKSTARTER AND ARE NOT INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENT, YOUR MONEY IS SAFE WITH YU AND YS.NET
chill out. we got some funny gifs, some new and interesting information, and nearly another 30k pledged.
I don't think it's harsh whatsoever as you are asking the consumer to fund your beloved project, and yet have hardly nothing to show for: kickstarter campaign has been nothing but a PR disaster (funded by Sony, then not funded, then $10 million for full awesome mode, to $5 million okay mode). I mean what is going on here.
It's been poorly handled since day 1, their Kickstarter page has not been updated accordingly, and the stream was just... I'm speechless.
How do you instill confidence or ask people to pledge more if you can't get your act together yourself?
I'm just so disappointed ;.;
So... PS4 physical copy is definitely happening from the sounds of it?
Running the kickstarter campaign is quite an important thing. I fail to see how this is not a reason to be concerned. These guys are incompetent beyond belief.
Needs to be repeated for all these drama queens out there.
I was pissed initially then I realized it has no impact on the actual development of Shenmue. Yu know's what he's doing. He's got this.
It is definitely NOT too late! We still have 20 days left, that majority of the campaign. FanGamer is already involved with the jacket tier.Is it too late to hire those guys that ran the Bloodstained KS? What were they called again...FanGamer?
By the way: it's like noon and Saturday in Japan right now. I think the guy on the right was insanely hung over and maybe still drunk from the night before.
I'm dead serious. Very unprofessional and it's that kind of shit that gives westerners a bad rep over there.
This is the point !Seems the amount is going up faster now.
Running the kickstarter campaign is quite an important thing. I fail to see how this is not a reason to be concerned. These guys are incompetent beyond belief.
I appreciate that, but they've done irreparable damage to the crowd funding campaign. which of course hurts it's chances of raising necessary the budget needed.sorry about the allcaps but:
AWESOME JAPAN ARE ONLY RUNNING THE KICKSTARTER AND ARE NOT INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENT, YOUR MONEY IS SAFE WITH YU AND YS.NET.
"We have lots of very important things to get to so let's start right away!"
*They all pause to drink some Fanta*
Q: "One more time, explain Sony's role in Shenmue 3."
A: "Sony's providing us comprehensive support in terms of publishing and marketing, as well as funding of the project partially."
*Stream goes down due to technical issues*
Q: Once again they ask about Sony's role
A:"Sony is providing us comprehensive support in marketing, promotion, and funding. They are one of the most important partners of this project. But as we said before in our statement ... they are not receiving one cent from the Kickstarter... the funds collected in the KIckstarter project will be all used for development except for the fees used for the Kickstarter and for providing the Kickstarter rewards. Not a single cent will go to Sony from the Kickstarter funds."
Q: PS4 physical reward ?
A: "It's one of the most requested rewards and I personally want to prepare for it as a reward. We are now considering how we can provide the reward in such a way that satisfies the backers. Please be patient."
Q: Before you were talking about how the funds will be spent. Can you explain more?
A: "We have a pie chart for how the funds from Kickstarter will be spent. KS
Fees: 8 - 10 % Game development: 65 to 72% Backer rewards: 20 - 25% Most of the kickstarter funds are going to the game development. Everything excluding necessary fees and the reward fulfilment.. everything's gonna be used for development."
Q: "Will the real Ryo please stand up?"
A: "We're still improving the qualities of Ryo's face. Not satisfied with the face Ryo has right now. Today we have the latest version, a new pic or Ryo's face. (They show a pic) This new pic we're not satisfied with. Ryo still looks kind of 'frowny.' So I want to continue the improvement. I want to enhance Ryo's attactiveness and personality through not only the models but through the facial expressions and actions he does to make Ryo even better. So we are going to see an improved Ryo in the future. He'll be much better through the process of development."
Q: "Another big issue. Voice actors coming back to reprise their roles. Specifically Ryo. Will we be seeing them again?"
A: "So, I think that the original voice actors will be the best match for Ryo's voice. So I want them to come back as his real voice in shenmue 3 as well. I'm now in negotiation with them. Please wait. We'll have more details about that."
Q: "Will PayPal be an option to help fund Shenmue 3?"
A: "No definite answer, but we're looking into it."
Q: "Is Shenmue 3 going to be DRM free on PC?"
A: "We are now looking into it, but it's not something I alone can decide on. I'm talking to other parties to decide if that's possible... we're looking into it."
Q: "Shenmue 1/Shenmue II HD remaster: are we gonna see it?"
A: "I personally want to see them so that the fans can enjoy Shenmue 3 more. However the property rights belong to SEGA, so I'm not in a position to comment on it. But I want it, so I will talk to SEGA if that's possible."
Q: "More rewards?"
A: "Today we will have additional rewards. First of all we have the grab bags. A lot of surprises in different prize tears, starting from 1,000 dollars to 500 dollars. It contains Shenmue merchandise, and it is random, so you have fun in opening the bag. And also we'll have one more reward, that is the replica of Ryo's watch. There is only one. This will be in the 5,000 reward tier. *They show the watch*
Q: "What are the other rewards going to be like?"
A: "The grab bags will include for example special figures of Ryo. There are also Shenmue watches. (Not the one just shown.) They also include autographed art work. Check out the page later. The rewards will be up. Check it out! For today we have grab bags and watches but in the future we'll have more additional rewards so please stay tuned to the kickstarter page!"
Q: "Stretch goals... stretch goals... stretch goals. Can we get a little bit of explanation please, about the stretch goals."
A: "The budget we have right now, it's Shenmue with story elements. It will be Shenmue 3 up until the duel against the four big bosses. But with additional stretch goals, more areas are going to be added and expanded.
The Rapport system is the system that governs the changes in characters' attitudes toward you, depending upon actions you take in conversations. It will provide a new twist to Shenmue.
In Shenmue 3 there'll be a lot of occasions when you can obtain technique scrolls through special events, jobs, missions, etc. They can be used in battle right away as a QTE. However the advanced skill scrolls and arcane skill scrolls are managed in a tree diagram. Completing that tree will be another side of fun, and it links to the actual martial art learning.
Q: "More on stretch goals"
A: "With the area Baisha, we want to include new fun not included in Shenmue 2. Traditional tactics such as seige and infiltration that we see in warring kingdoms in traditional China are also added. But I want to make it Shenmue-like, easy to grasp, easy to play, and provide more fun.
There's an opportunity for the players to play as different characters. In that event you'll see different choices that different personalities offer, different from Ryo and other characters. That will provide more fun and more personality to the characters.
So there's a lot more stretch goals we published, but there will be a large amount of explanations and a large amount of fun still to come, so we'll leave it to other occasions to explain the other stretch goals.
Your cooperation is what makes this Kickstarter progress, so please support us!
Q: "How will Shenmue 3 at its current funding level be different from Shenmue 3 at the 10 million dollar level?"
A: "The current funding level - about 3.6 million - will have story oriented Shenmue. More focus on story. Exceeding 5 million will allow the development to include more things that are new, such as we explained about Baisha. Exceeding 10 million will allow for the players to enjoy a more open world like Shenmue."
Q: "When is Shenmue 3 going to be released?"
A: "It's expected to be released by the end of 2017. We're confident."
Q: "Is this the end of the story?"
A: "The initial storyline contained 11 chapters. With 1 & 2 it advanced to only a little bit of the 11 chapters. I considered doing the final game to include all the remaining chapters, but in the final consideration it would be skipping all the big arcs, and the completeness of the game would be less enjoyable. So this Shenmue 3 will have more storylines, but this structure will not finish the storyline with Shenmue 3."
Q: "When can we play the trial version?"
A: "It requires many of the basic systems to be developed. The release date of the demo version will be the latter half of the development stage. It might be after the new year of 2017. Until then it requires more development for the basics."
(Inaudible)
Please keep sending us your questions. We want to make Shenmue 3 the best we can. Please share the project. Get the word out. Let everybody know that Shenmue 3 is happening, and we need everybody to support and make sure that we make this Shenmue 3 spectacular."
Q: "Final thoughts?"
A: "I always want to do new things. I hope to achieve all the things I want to do in the new Shenmue, matching with what the Shenmue the fans want, to meet the ten million dollar goal. We ask your continued support, and that you spread the word around to make Shenmue a real thing! Thank-you very much!"
"Let's make this happen! Everybody has been so great the past fourteen years. Making it happen. It's happening now. #SaveShenmue! Let's do this! Thank-you!"
Ha. True enough.I feel like this stream is the best possible proof that they don't have a bunch of big corporate backers supporting them.
They're getting there.Current version of Ryo's face
One day's worth of FanGamer professionalism would do wonders for this campaign. Awesome Japan has simply done nothing whatsoever.Hiring them is one thing.
Getting them to "right the ship" is a completely different ballgame.
On my educated guess, for them to "right the ship" in a tangible way, it'd require basically a combination of:
- some amount of restructuring for the reward/tiers (easy)
- explanation of the above in a way that gets backers excited. PR basically. (easy, but still a few days of work)
- continuous fan-facing activities like Twitch streams, interview with Suzuki, etc. Media activities that need to be planned and set-up a week or two in advance. (medium, need to arrange schedule and stuff )
- lengthy/significant interview with prominent folks in games media, similar to the Bloodstained interviews with Kinda Funny, etc, where the game/KS is given broad exposure to fans who may not be necessarily Shenmue fans, but fans of the games media personalities. (hard, many schedule conflicts, can take up to a month or more to set-up )
The amount of work needed to set-up the right stuff to make things right is very significant. It's not a one day job, it's not even a one week job.
exactlyNeeds to be repeated for all these drama queens out there.
I was pissed initially then I realized it has no impact on the actual development of Shenmue. Yu know's what he's doing. He's got this.
see above. in 20 days these guys are gone. yu suzuki was in control the whole stream. the spotty translation might not have been too clear, but there was no hesitation in what he was saying. he knows what he wants to do, and he knows how to do it.Running the kickstarter campaign is quite an important thing. I fail to see how this is not a reason to be concerned. These guys are incompetent beyond belief.
Guess i'm a pessimist. wish i didn't feel this way though.I'm not denying that, but saying how there's no changing anyone's mind about this game is hilarious and ridiculously premature.
Aside from the fact that their participation may be the difference between the Kickstater getting 6-7 million and it getting 11+ million. So no the game isn't "ruined" or any nonsense but it still matters.
One day's worth of FanGamer professionalism would do wonders for this campaign. Awesome Japan has simply done nothing whatsoever.
in the short term it's at least put us close to 3.7 million after about two days or build up. i think being pessimistic and equating the poor running of the kickstarter with any kind of development environment isn't helping either.I appreciate that, but they've done irreparable damage to the crowd funding campaign. which of course hurts it's chances of raising necessary the budget needed.
Indeed, but it is hard to imagine that anyone involved can feel things like this chat were a success.My scenario is what I'd call, super idealistic already.
Who the hell knows if there's going to be any problems with firing AJ, whether or not FG even has the capacity/time to pick-up immediately, and a million other potential logistics and human resource problem.