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[Hynad]

It might. With all of his problems with crowdfunding III, he might even just make IV a manga or stop at III.

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Hum... At the start of Shenmue 2, you open your memobook and it clearly states that it's Chapter 2. And in recent interviews, Yu-san stated that the story currently has 11 chapters now.

Shenmue 1 is Chapter 1, Shenmue 2 is chapters 2 through 5.

 

[Theonik]

Hum... At the start of Shenmue 2, you open your memobook and it clearly states that it's Chapter 2. And in recent interviews, Yu-san stated that the story currently has 11 chapters now.

Shenmue 1 is Chapter 1, Shenmue 2 is chapters 2 through 6.

Chapter 2 exists in Manga form iirc.

 

[Hynad]

Chapter 2 exists in Manga form iirc.

Well, maybe you're right... I always took that part as a sidestory of sort, rather than an actual chapter, considering the memopad does indeed indicate that Shenmue 2 starts at Chapter 2. O_O

 

[Haunted]

Well, maybe you're right... I always took that part as a sidestory of sort, rather than an actual chapter.

If we're talking about the original 11 chapter draft, the journey from Japan to China on the boat was chapter 2.

And nothing of value for the overall arc of the story was lost by basically skipping that chapter in the games. I'm sure some of the later chapters (6-11) could be similarly compressed/edited/cut to be able to wrap it up in Shenmue 3 while still telling a complete and coherent story.

 

[Acquiescence]

Didn't watch the stream, but I gave the thread a quick browse and it appears that things didn't go down well with the fans.

Geez, the one Kickstarter project that I wanted to see handled ably by the people that organised it.

 

[Haunted]

Didn't watch the stream, but I gave the thread a quick browse and it appears that things didn't go down well with the fans.

Geez, the one Kickstarter project that I wanted to see handled ably by the people that organised it.

 

[m3k]

Lol I skipped to this page, saw this, and was reminded of waynes world

 

[Hynad]

If we're talking about the original 11 chapter draft, the journey from Japan to China on the boat was chapter 2.

And nothing of value for the overall arc of the story was lost by basically skipping that chapter in the games. I'm sure some of the later chapters (6-11) could be similarly compressed/edited/cut to be able to wrap it up in Shenmue 3 while still telling a complete and coherent story.

Yu-san said that if he was to compress the rest of the saga's story in Shenmue 3, it wouldn't make for a fulfilling experience the way he envisions it. So the story isn't going to wrap up in the next game.

 

[Hynad]

 

[Acquiescence]

Did that guy with the beard make an eejit out of himself or something?

 

[Nibel]

I watched some minutes of the streaming: I'm embarassed :l

It ain't just you

 

[Upsidedown Fuji]

Looks like I didn't miss much from the twitch recording.

It's hard to believe some of you guys are Shenmue fans when the majority of what's being discussed in multiple threads is that this game is going to fail in its funding and not be a complete game.

I'm a bit perplexed here as I'm quite content with the fact we're even getting an actual game that's NOT mobile or region locked. Sure, the kickstarter agency handling the Shenmue campaign is unfortunate but we're stuck with them for better or worse.

I think we'll get a real Shenmue game in the same style and depth as past ones but it may not be as feature filled as it possibly could be if it got the 10mil Suzuki would like to have. This doesn't mean we're getting an incomplete game. At least that's my impression of it all.

I wish the best for this fundraising campaign and I'll chuck in an additional 30 on the 3rd but reading your guys' impressions and reactions are pretty disheartening.

 

[openrob]

Looks like I didn't miss much from the twitch recording.

It's hard to believe some of you guys are Shenmue fans when the majority of what's being discussed in multiple threads is that this game is going to fail in its funding and not be a complete game.

I'm a bit perplexed here as I'm quite content with the fact we're even getting an actual game that's NOT mobile or region locked. Sure, the kickstarter agency handling the Shenmue campaign is unfortunate but we're stuck with them for better or worse.

I think we'll get a real Shenmue game in the same style and depth as past ones but it may not be as feature filled as it possibly could be if it got the 10mil Suzuki would like to have. This doesn't mean we're getting an incomplete game. At least that's my impression of it all.

I wish the best for this fundraising campaign and I'll chuck in an additional 30 on the 3rd but reading your guys' impressions and reactions are pretty disheartening.

I think you pretty much got it.
Apart form this " the majority of what's being discussed in multiple threads is that this game is going to fail in its funding and not be a complete game".

That is just ridiculous people saying things like "Yu should have said he needed 10Mil from the beginning!" - these people have no idea what stretch goals are, and think that unless we get 10 MIl, the game isn't going to happen. They also don't get that Shenmue 3 broke world records with this kickstarter. It is far FAR from a fail.

Thankfully you get the right impression (which gives me hope that other s do to!). We are still going to get an amazingly great game.

 

[ranmafan]

Looks like I didn't miss much from the twitch recording.

It's hard to believe some of you guys are Shenmue fans when the majority of what's being discussed in multiple threads is that this game is going to fail in its funding and not be a complete game.

I'm a bit perplexed here as I'm quite content with the fact we're even getting an actual game that's NOT mobile or region locked. Sure, the kickstarter agency handling the Shenmue campaign is unfortunate but we're stuck with them for better or worse.

I think we'll get a real Shenmue game in the same style and depth as past ones but it may not be as feature filled as it possibly could be if it got the 10mil Suzuki would like to have. This doesn't mean we're getting an incomplete game. At least that's my impression of it all.

I wish the best for this fundraising campaign and I'll chuck in an additional 30 on the 3rd but reading your guys' impressions and reactions are pretty disheartening.

Absolutely agree here! The fact we are getting a real Shenmue game and not another stupid little mobile game like the last one Sega made a few years back makes me happy too. (still can't believe that one got made) Its mind boggling still seeing so many of the negative reactions. I never thought I would see that from an announcement for Shenmue III.

I hope they get a lot more money, but Im also sure we will get that true Shenmue experience we want whatever ends up being the final amount hey receive.

Personally I've already upped my donation as well. Ive very pleased with that decision. And if they were able to provide a ps4 physical copy option, I would donate more if need to too.

I hope we can all keep positive and that more is done to make it a success even more than it already is. In the end there is too much negativity in the video game world theses days. Shenmue III should be, and for me and many others, the positive story we should be celebrating and pushing for.

 

[PaRappa]

I have a questions for those insisting on a physical release.

People do realise printing discs, packaging, shipping on cargo ships, aircraft, by air by sea, storing stock in warehouses, transporting them through international distribution chains, transferring them to retail stores, making onto shelf spaces and retail margins can add MILLIONS to the cost of a game?

Literally MILLIONS when the entire budget of the basic Shenmue 3 - to make it happen at all was only $2million? Compare that to putting the game on a PSN server - the cost of which is in the region of pennies per sale.

Would it not make more sense to ensure we hit the $5million or $10million development goals first before we insist on expensive fancy things such as retail distribution?

Im annoyed more at those on their high horses teasing that they have money to donate but wont be doing so unless their silly demands are met.

I trust Yu to be doing everything in his power to make this game a reality and make it the best game he possibly can.

If he happens to jump into bed with Sony or makes decisions that on the surface many people find disagreeable, I will always assume Yu, know knows far more than anyone else about all the details and options has got his priorities right in this. I'm just astonished at all the negative press and whining from other gaffers.

 

[YianGaruga]

I have a questions for those insisting on a physical release.

People do realise printing discs, packaging, shipping on cargo ships, aircraft, by air by sea, storing stock in warehouses, transporting them through international distribution chains, transferring them to retail stores, making onto shelf spaces and retail margins can add MILLIONS to the cost of a game?

Literally MILLIONS when the entire budget of the basic Shenmue 3 - to make it happen at all was only $2million? Compare that to putting the game on a PSN server - the cost of which is in the region of pennies per sale.

Would it not make more sense to ensure we hit the $5million or $10million development goals first before we insist on expensive fancy things such as retail distribution?

Im annoyed more at those on their high horses teasing that they have money to donate but wont be doing so unless their silly demands are met.

I trust Yu to be doing everything in his power to make this game a reality and make it the best game he possibly can.

If he happens to jump into bed with Sony or makes decisions that on the surface many people find disagreeable, I will always assume Yu, know knows far more than anyone else about all the details and options has got his priorities right in this. I'm just astonished at all the negative press and whining from other gaffers.

They're already making physical PC copies, so some parts of that argument are moot.
When a digital PS4 version is $30 and a physical is $60, some of the extra money can go into production of the discs.

Since there are people who absolutely do not want digital only copies, getting $60 -production and distribution costs is surely better than getting $0?

 

[ShenmueNextGen]

 

[PaRappa]

Well then we can conclude there are different financial barriers to PC retail games. Im sure if it was a cheap and easy option to print PS4 discs then it would be done. Im also sure that it came at the expense of making Shenmues world less rich and diverse it would be put on the back burner.

Besides, the game isnt out until December 2017. We can demand that closer to that time. Right now we have 3 weeks left to determine how fantastic and epic we want Shenmue 3 to be. And yet folk are standing in the corner fanning themselves with their dollars.

If the game's scope is cut short down the a lack of funds during kickstarter, I hope none of these people has the audacity to complain.

 

[Upsidedown Fuji]

Thanks guys. I'm glad I'm not the only one here that's confused by the defeatist attitude tone of various Shenmue threads.

I understand there's room for discussion about how things can be handled better but every thread seems to be devolving into funding nightmares and scaled back games as if it's already a done deal.

 

[PaRappa]

One issue I do have with the campaign was how suddenly it was initiated. Yes it was impactful but if it was announced earlier it would have given fans time to mobilise a more effective fund raising campaign. Its weird to think that in the space of a month a piece of vaporware has come into being as well as having its entire scope and majority of funding locked down in that time.

In terms of planning, organising and funding, i think this project could have been handled better.

Anyway, it is what it is and we've got to do what we can to make this game as epic as possible.

As Yu said : the fate of Shenmue is in OUR hands and we dont have long left.

 

[Spaghetti]

well at least they said they're looking at both ps4 physical and a DRM free version

placing both of those into a $60 tier could lift a bunch of people out of the $29 bracket, so hopefully that's coming soon.

looking back on last night, i don't think things are actually quite so bad. it was a bit slapdash and unintentionally hilarious, but yu gave the right answers and reassurances. another stream or a post detailing further the gameplay improvements of the character perspective would be nice, but we know the it's basically having a character change mechanic where your interactions with the game world will change. that's pretty cool!

we even learned something important about the scope of the story, and that this game will have us taking on the heads of the chi-you-men. that's pretty exciting. we may even finally get our lan di fight.

hopefully we hit all the FREE battle enhancement stretch goals, i would love to tear down the chi-you-men using those new systems. the rag doll one sounds particularly interesting in how it could be implemented. it'd make throw moves more impactful and a great way to do crowd control in larger fights.

the translation was a little botched, but we also learned more about the technique scrolls and how they relate to the skill tree. from my understanding it seems they'll provide variations on moves for different effects. maybe not unlike going from basic to intermediate to advanced moves in the original shenmue

they need to sit down and detail the new gameplay ideas a little more, but the picture is becoming clearer. it seems ryo is going to be really starting to learn kung fu out in guilin.

 

[Theonik]

Well then we can conclude there are different financial barriers to PC retail games. Im sure if it was a cheap and easy option to print PS4 discs then it would be done. Im also sure that it came at the expense of making Shenmues world less rich and diverse it would be put on the back burner.

Besides, the game isnt out until December 2017. We can demand that closer to that time. Right now we have 3 weeks left to determine how fantastic and epic we want Shenmue 3 to be. And yet folk are standing in the corner fanning themselves with their dollars.

If the game's scope is cut short down the a lack of funds during kickstarter, I hope none of these people has the audacity to complain.

The barriers are lack of planning in this case I feel. They can reach a deal to get those copies. The increase in revenue from people upgrading and buying into the new rewards is greater than the increase in cost by its nature. It is quite cost effective to press copies of a game on a KS because you have pre-sold them and received the cost in advance so the risk normally associated with physical game retail is eliminated as is complicated retailer logistics. Sony themselves and their PC publisher should also be able to assist there since it is inexpensive for them to do so given that they already have distribution networks in place.

 

[Spaghetti]

i think it's a case of when rather than if for ps4 physical at this point. they wouldn't be talking about it if they didn't think they had a chance of getting it.

if at least 17,000 in the 29 dollar tier go to 60 we're looking at almost 2 million extra funding. they're not going to ignore the potential for that. guess we've just gotta hang tight.

 

[ElTorro]

At least he didn't kill anyone. I wasn't so sure at this point.

 

[Haunted]

At least he didn't kill anyone.

just the chances of this KS reaching its extended stretch goals

 

[Hubble]

It is telling they only released their budget pie chart now on how unorganized and poor this KS has been.

Also I was excited for new tiers, but it totally was a slap when $1,000-2,000 tiers were announced last night with so many people watching. Can someone make a GIF on that guy's expression after Yu said that. It was funny.

 

[Theonik]

just the chances of this KS reaching its extended stretch goals

Hey, he's become a meme of sorts. That gets people to look at the page which is now not completely terrible.

 

[VistraNorrez]

just the chances of this KS reaching its extended stretch goals

People keep saying things like this, but there is zero proof. Unfalsifiable claims like this need to stop. They do nothing to further any discussion or goals of the Kickstarter.

The game is already funded! We are getting Shenmue 3, why are people acting like it isn't happening? Suzuki set the goal as 2 million. He could have set it higher if he felt the game needed more. With the stretch goals it's all about adding to the game. Of course it would be wonderful to reach 11 million. The pace isn't there for that, but the talk of paypal donations tells me the funding process will continue after this Kickstarter. A more full Shenmue experience isn't out the question.

 

[bmcphail2008]

Well then we can conclude there are different financial barriers to PC retail games. Im sure if it was a cheap and easy option to print PS4 discs then it would be done. Im also sure that it came at the expense of making Shenmues world less rich and diverse it would be put on the back burner.

Besides, the game isnt out until December 2017. We can demand that closer to that time. Right now we have 3 weeks left to determine how fantastic and epic we want Shenmue 3 to be. And yet folk are standing in the corner fanning themselves with their dollars.

If the game's scope is cut short down the a lack of funds during kickstarter, I hope none of these people has the audacity to complain.

There are retail PS4 games in the US with a MSRP of $20, meaning wholesale is about $14. As such, your argument is ridiculous, especially if Sony agrees to reduce or waive the usual per unit licensing charges given that they are "fully behind" the campaign as they claimed early on.

 

[Dawg]

i want large fanta cans too

 

[Spaghetti]

People keep saying things like this, but there is zero proof. Unfalsifiable claims like this need to stop. They do nothing to further any discussion or goals of the Kickstarter.

The game is already funded! We are getting Shenmue 3, why are people acting like it isn't happening? Suzuki set the goal as 2 million. He could have set it higher if he felt the game needed more. With the stretch goals it's all about adding to the game. Of course it would be wonderful to reach 11 million. The pace isn't there for that, but the talk of paypal donations tells me the funding process will continue after this Kickstarter. A more full Shenmue experience isn't out the question.

honestly the negativity from fans is almost as bad as negativity from the press and non-fans. who does it serve? nobody.

 

[celsowmbr]

at least, it seems that the press liked Twitch because of the answers:

http://m.n4g.com/channel/shenmue-iii

And money is coming too

 

[Theonik]

honestly the negativity from fans is almost as bad as negativity from the press and non-fans. who does it serve? nobody.

It's hard to blame fans when they dump a $6m mountain of goals on them with less than 4 in the bank.

But yes. Let's just think of it this way. We already have some nice goals lined up we can definitely hit. The $6m fighting system stuff is awesome. Let's just be positive.

 

[breakYODAy]

honestly the negativity from fans is almost as bad as negativity from the press and non-fans. who does it serve? nobody.

It certainly doesn't serve Yu or Shenmue 3. The Twitch stream wasn't great, but it did raise 60K overnight for the campaign. I didn't see any mass pledge drop after the video, so it technically was a success.

I know that this campaign hasn't lived up to everyone's hopes and dreams, but that doesn't mean Shenmue 3 won't. Let's stop acting like the barn is on fire, because it's not.

Try to remember the good things that came from last night:

1. PS4 Discs are likely on the horizon.
2. PayPal is likely coming as well.
3. Corey Marshall is in negotiations, and his support of the campaign all but guarantees he'll reprise his role.

 

[Spaghetti]

It's hard to blame fans when they dump a $6m mountain of goals on them with less than 4 in the bank.

But yes. Let's just think of it this way. We already have some nice goals lined up we can definitely hit. The $6m fighting system stuff is awesome. Let's just be positive.

people wanted to know what they'd be getting if the KS got past 5 million. honestly i'm fine with seeing that stuff personally. the FREE battle enhancements should be incentive enough to keep pushing.

 

[GavinGT]

Did he ever explain why the Coke sponsorship was missing in the western releases?

 

[Nibel]

at least, it seems that the press liked Twitch because of the answers:

http://m.n4g.com/channel/shenmue-iii

And money is coming too

I mean yeah, despite the questionable presentation they got a lot of info and answers out.

 

[Spaghetti]

It certainly doesn't serve Yu or Shenmue 3. The Twitch stream wasn't great, but it did raise 60K overnight for the campaign. I didn't see any mass pledge drop after the video, so it technically was a success.

I know that this campaign hasn't lived up to everyone's hopes and dreams, but that doesn't mean Shenmue 3 won't. Let's stop acting like the barn is on fire, because it's not.

Try to remember the good things that came from last night:

1. PS4 Discs are likely on the horizon.
2. PayPal is likely coming as well.
3. Corey Marshall is in negotiations, and his support of the campaign all but guarantees he'll reprise his role.

exactly. there's a lot to be excited about still. we've got 20 days left of the campaign and we're totally going to be able to reach some of the higher goals if we just keep pushing.

 

[N.A]

For me it's all about the $6.5 million goal now. It seems a realistic target and I can't see the KS going much higher.

I can't wait until the kickstarter is over, all the negativity is gone and we can finally concentrate on what up until a couple of weeks ago seemed impossible.

 

[Chaos17]

Dear Yu, kick that PR team and reboot your kickstarter, you deserve better than this!
SONY SHOULD SEND THEIR OWN PR IT CAN'T BE WORSE THAN THIS!!!!

 

[Ishan]

Can someone summarize this . All I see is wierd fanta glove guy gifs and yu looking angry

 

[Theonik]

Did he ever explain why the Coke sponsorship was missing in the western releases?

I don't think so but these deals are very often regional and negotiated with local subsidiaries of companies.
The Coca-Cola company probably saw it more valuable to pursue advertising in Japan whereas they see their brand already being very valuable in the west.

 

[nelsonroyale]

For such a big KS campaign, it is being handled pretty badly. Their KS page is far too basic. Their stretch goals also seem haphazard and vague...They are asking for a big investment, they need to provide MUCH more detail and have far more content. This is disappointing. They should take a leaf from the guys at Kingdome Come: Deliverance

 

[ArisenDragon]

At least he didn't kill anyone. I wasn't so sure at this point.

LOL

 

[N.A]

Can someone summarize this . All I see is wierd fanta glove guy gifs and yu looking angry

Low budget stream with strange host.

Good questions asked, largely answered well.

New reward tiers went live, sold out. More coming.

PS4 physical version looks like it may come soon.

 

[Chaos17]

For such a big KS campaign, it is being handled pretty badly. Their KS page is far too basic. Their stretch goals also seem haphazard and vague...They are asking for a big investment, they need to provide MUCH more detail and have far more content. This is disappointing. They should take a leaf from the guys at Kingdome Come: Deliverance

Good example of bad PR team! We're all disapointed here.
Shemue 3 and Yu deserved better than this.

 

[Ishan]

Low budget stream with strange host.

Good questions asked, largely answered well.

New reward tiers went live, sold out. More coming.

PS4 physical version looks like it may come soon.

Oh so sounds good overall seeing the gifs and comments I got the impression it was some sort of trainwreck

 

[Hubble]

Didn't watch the stream, but I gave the thread a quick browse and it appears that things didn't go down well with the fans.

Geez, the one Kickstarter project that I wanted to see handled ably by the people that organised it.

If you care to watch the stream, go to the Twitch channel and click last broadcast.

It was pretty bad.

When asked about new tiers, $1000-3000 rewards were announced and the host seemed shocked lmao.

The positive is it does sound like PS4 physical is coming and paypal.

 

[Spaghetti]

Can someone summarize this . All I see is wierd fanta glove guy gifs and yu looking angry

- ps4 physical in the works
- DRM free PC version might come, but isn't fully yu's decision
- new rewards and tiers, more on the way
- some story and gameplay details

 

[Theonik]

Oh so sounds good overall seeing the gifs and comments I got the impression it was some sort of trainwreck

It was… interesting.