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[DownGrader]

So basically eight Gamecubes duct-taped together.

At least we will play Four Swords Adventures.

And we will have three spare GameCubes!

 

[Harmen]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";170839610]Why fix it if it ain't broke? Low-power system with a weird gimmick and no 3rd-party games? I've got nothing but optimism considering Nintendo's track record with this strategy.[/QUOTE]

I am optimistic, but you do not think the WiiU has a problem in terms of marketposition? (hence, the concept in it's current shape is "broke"?)

 

[Icewear Vezzo]

I hope its a portable with WiiU level graphics.

Mobile socs aren't nearly as powerful enough with a sustainable battery life. Unless nintendo has discovered a breakthrough in battery technology don't get your hopes up. Not to mention nintendo leans towards low powered devices anyhow.

 

[orioto]

At least all the infos we get seems to tend toward Nintendo believing on their concept a lot, and thinking it will be enough to move millions, and way more than WiiU on its idea alone.

Well i hope the are right this time..

 

[Surface of Me]

Consider the fact that Ouya almost didn't exist as any significant force in the market...

....yet it still got "big" games like Final Fantasy III.

I'd say that a mobile-port box with marketing behind it would gain a lot of quick n dirty ports that it would never have gotten otherwise..

Joke post? FF3 a "big" third party game in 2015? Why would people pay $200 for a system that has games they can already play on their phones?

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Remember the days Nintendo hyped brute force specs.

Snes - N64 - Gamecube.

What a shame.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Mobile socs aren't nearly as powerful enough with a sustainable battery life. Unless nintendo has discovered a breakthrough in battery technology don't get your hopes up. Not to mention nintendo leans towards low powered devices anyhow.

That's the gimmick, they are using the battery from the Wii U Pro Controller to power the NX.

 

[Hatchtag]

People here saying that Nintendo is lame, backwards and can go into oblivion unless NX is portable.

But what if NX is portable? I mean, 3DS was made in 2011, when Wii was stills supported. It has a fair share of bottlenecks that Nintendo cannot overcome even with New 3DS (screen resolution is the main one).

I am definitely waiting for 3DS successor, in quirky and twisted way comparable to DS.

They're going to do a new portable at some point inevitably, but there's strong implications that the NX will be a home console. Plus, the 3DS can survive longer than the Wii U. 3DS sales are declining, but they're still far above Wii U sales.

 

[PdotMichael]

A $300-$350 system is closer to the Wii U. If the console failed because surprise, a high powered console doesn't fix their 3rd party problem, or consumers don't want to pay a high entry to Nintendos content...

A PS4 like system is a much bigger risk. Nintendo being locked into another high priced console w/ no room to slash, is exactly like the Wii U situation.

PS4 is not a high priced console or even risky in whatever way.

 

[BocoDragon]

Going less powerful with the gimmick being its a handheld as well will fail worse it won't attract the none hardcore crowd and it will piss off the hardcore.

I think it would piss off the AAA game playing hardcore, sure.

But device like this would certainly get all the indie games and such, so it would please that type of hardcore.

I don't think this box is where CoD or Assassin's Creed fans would go. It's not going to be the prettiest place to play or have the best online.

But a place where you can play Mario Kart and Hotline Miami? That's still a kind of hardcore gamer.

 

[DownGrader]

Remember the days Nintendo hyped brute force specs.

Snes - N64 - Gamecube.

What a shame.

With N64 and GameCube having bottlenecks of fatal proportions.

 

[Mononoke]

I never said what I believed nintendo should do, merely what they shouldn't and that's design the NX after the Wii U. Lord help them if they name it the Wii U+

Don't see why it has to be the Wii U at a low price. *shrugs*

PS4 is not a high priced console or even risky in whatever way.

It is for Nintendo. Even a $300-350 system is asking too much from consumers price wise. Especially if consumers only want it for their software. And the risk only comes in that, they already failed with a high entry price system. If they went all in with a $350 high powered console and it flopped, they would again be stuck with a console that is locked into that high entry cost.

Edit: my most didn't mean a risk for Nintendo profit wise. I meant a risk in that if it flops, they get stuck with a console that cost high to buy into. If you are arguing they can make a console stronger than PS4 and have room to slash down in the result of the flop, fair enough.

 

[Azalean]

Hope NX is a handheld. Their next home console should be powerful. They don't want to make the same mistakes again.

 

[exmachina64]

What if it's $99,- without a controller? Just use your old stuff or buy separately. Their handling of 3DS chargers lets me worry about this.

What kind of controller will it use is a good question.

No way they do. That is just killing their third-party support.

Their third party support is already dead; giving us a console that can receive multiplatform ports with relatively little hassle is but one factor.

 

[DownGrader]

They're going to do a new portable, but there's strong implications that the NX will be a home console. Plus, the 3DS can survive longer than the Wii U. 3DS sales are declining, but they're still far above Wii U sales.

But it was the same situation with DS. GCN was tankng while GBA was really popular. And yet they made a new portable.

 

[KAP151]

There is no way they are going to repeat the mistake of the WiiU gamepad all over again in terms of cost.

It will be about the games they want to make, while keeping a lower price point in mind.

 

[unknownstranger]

Not as powerful as PS4 is one thing, but it can't be radically different architecturally than current gen consoles if they want decent ports.

 

[impact]

Remember the days Nintendo hyped brute force specs.

Snes - N64 - Gamecube.

What a shame.

I too miss Nintendo before Sony Playstation scared the shit out of them and made them pussies. NX sounding like another flop from everything we know so far.

 

[Vitacat]

People here saying that Nintendo is lame, backwards and can go into oblivion unless NX is portable.

But what if NX is portable? I mean, 3DS was made in 2011, when Wii was stills supported. It has a fair share of bottlenecks that Nintendo cannot overcome even with New 3DS (screen resolution is the main one).

I am definitely waiting for 3DS successor, in quirky and twisted way comparable to DS.

I would love to see a 3ds successor handheld with an 800x480 top screen (4x the 3ds resolution). Keep backwards compatibility with3ds and I'm there. Not expecting them to keep the stereoscopic 3d but I'd love to have it if possible.

 

[Averon]

PS4 is not a high priced console or even risky in whatever way.

Seriously. PS4 is a very safe design. I cannot see why Nintendo cannot have a PS4 level console and sell it for $300 at a profit by late 2016.

 

[Delio]

It's the faux enthusiast perspective of chasing the norm as established by the old pattern of ever increasing hardware specifications and iterations of console generations. It's what most "gamers" are used to, and also to a certain extent what they like: evolving processing technology for fancy graphics and bigger games. And I mean, I'm one of them too, otherwise I wouldn't be ever chasing those new GPUs and monitor tech for my PC.

But it's an outdated, short sighted perspective of a broad industry that hasn't exclusively operated on this wavelength for a long time now. It's a perspective that is somewhat tainted by the cynical, exclusionary attitude towards "non-games" and "mobile games" as if they don't fit under the same umbrella as your Akrhams, GTAs, Elder Scrolls, Halos, and whatnot.

Fact of the matter is that there are no and have never been any rules to software and hardware and what constitutes as a market and success within those markets. There are obviously lessons to be learned and established patterns of market viability that shouldn't be ignored (the Wii U is an excellent example of a colossal fuckup in this area).

But the fact of the matter is that many people mistaken their wants for what should be. People here, and elsewhere, want a Nintendo platform that follows the rules and patterns of Sony and Microsoft, and the Nintendo circa GameCube, where a predicable leap in hardware power is presented identical to competitors while approaching the exact same market with little difference other than banking on Nintendo branded software to differentiate. Reality: Nintendo bowed out of this race ten years ago and have routinely expressed no interest of rejoining.

As someone who fucking loves cutting edge tech and what it can do for software I wouldn't personally say no to a Nintendo console that competes with Sony/Microsoft, and what that would mean for the Nintendo software I love. But it's not going to happen and just because I want it does not mean it has to happen. Video gaming software as a market and industry cannot and will not survive on being a niche, one dimensional hardware race where everybody runs the same race. Apple/Android have already proven this isn't necessary. Hell Nintendo proved this with the Wii. Ya'll may not like it and it may not be the product you want. It may not herald in success for Nintendo because what matters most is the specifics not just simple descriptions of a vague direction. But it is what it is, and it's been long time to get the fuck over it. Doubly so if you're interested in Nintendo software but keep waiting for them to return to a hardware race they abandoned a decade ago.

Yep. I agree with this all. I LOVE nintendo but I know they wont jump into that race again and I'm fine with that if they can carve out a niche outside of the norm.

 

[trinest]

Of course it isn't, it will be on the level of the Xbox One.

 

[EatChildren]

Not as powerful as PS4 is one thing, but it can't be radically different architecturally than current gen consoles if they want decent ports.

Assuming they want this.

 

[anothertech]

Believable.

But also the saddest news I've heard today. Hoping NX isn't nintendos swan song. I feel like a console built for mobile gaming will be the end of the hardware race for Ninty.

 

[DeaviL]

While i don't think Nintendo is going to make a powerful console,
as far as we know NX will span across multiple devices making this comment worthless at best.

 

[Terrell]

So here's something that the OP doesn't have, regarding whether it's a console or a handheld:

https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/617110715414016004

I did not say anything about what exactly it is, just that it will not compete with the PS4 on a power level.

So he immediately dodged what kind of hardware it was, because he doesn't know what the hell it even is. I mean, if he did, wouldn't he clearly make that distinction? And since we already knew this was a multiple form factor project... there's now a possibility that itsfuckingnothing.gif and we're back where we started.

Mind you, if they do release a console that can't even reach PS4 and it's the only one they make available, the last transaction I make with Nintendo is donating them a new shovel so they can keep digging themselves that deep cavernous hole they're in.

No way they do. That is just killing their third-party support.

So is this, if it relates to the console.

The Wii U audience consists of people who'd buy Nintendo games regardless of what they do.

I think they're not thinking of that audience at all. They're thinking how how to attract literally everyone but the Wii U audience.

If that's their goal, this is absolutely the worst way to try. Again, if it relates to the console.

 

[BocoDragon]

Joke post? FF3 a "big" third party game in 2015? Why would people pay $200 for a system that has games they can already play on their phones?

I didn't imply that it was a big game like that. The fact that you have a mickey mouse independent game box that actually has an FF game on proves that you do get additional support, because devs can port their mobile stuff for basically free.

A million mobile developers would love to put their games on a Nintendo console if it meant pressing another button on their Unity export and having it made basically for free.

So to say it would get no third party support is wrong. It just isn't the Fallout 4, MGS5 style of third party game.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Hopefully it has ceossbuy with the handheld

 

[Mushroomer25]

Wasn't this the guy that hyped up a podcast of E3 leaks, put it behind a Patreon paywall, then failed to leak anything we didn't already know?

I'm sure he's legitimate as a source, but clearly the guy has a bad habit for exaggeration.

That said, I don't think NX is aiming for power competition. If we're following rumors/speculation, its' just as much a handheld as it is a console. I'd anticipate something equivalent to WiiU, but totally portable.

 

[DownGrader]

I would love to see a 3ds successor handheld with an 800x480 top screen (4x the 3ds resolution). Keep backwards compatibility with3ds and I'm there. Not expecting them to keep the stereoscopic 3d but I'd love to have it if possible.

800x480 is bare minimum, I think. But I bet they will make a relatively small portable before making an XL one, so if they maintain a good pixel density, I will be happy.

 

[outunderthestars]

No third party support confirmed.

Yep. Seems like Nintnedo hasn't learned a thing.

 

[Ansatz]

They're going to do a new portable at some point inevitably, but there's strong implications that the NX will be a home console. Plus, the 3DS can survive longer than the Wii U. 3DS sales are declining, but they're still far above Wii U sales.

You have to think about Nintendo's priority, and that is to dominate Japan retail sales. They can't let that slip, the handheld market in Japan is absolutely vital for their business. It's a handheld no doubt about it, that will first and foremost play the next iterations of Pokemon, Monster Hunter, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario platformer, Yokai Watch, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Splatoon.

 

[Ushojax]

Is it even possible to deliver a home console at that price? The Wii was more than that a decade ago, and consisted of repackaged GameCube hardware with a motion controller.

What is stopping then souping up the Wii U and selling it for a budget price?

People expecting Nintendo to suddenly leap to the bleeding edge and offer the big western third parties everything they want, are living in a dream world. Nintendo does not have the expertise to service those publishers, they don't have the money to do it and they don't want to. People need to accept that for the foreseeable future, there won't be another SNES where all the big third parties are on board. From now on the third parties that matter to Nintendo are it's Japanese partners like Namco, Tecmo-Koei, Atlus, mobile developers, and indies. The developers that Nintendo wants on board, do not need cutting edge graphics hardware.

Hope NX is a handheld. Their next home console should be powerful. They don't want to make the same mistakes again.

A lack of power wasn't the main problem with Wii U. It was terrible marketing and a year long software drought from the day it launched. Software sells hardware, Nintendo forgot that rule with the launches of both 3DS and Wii U, thinking that tech gimmicks like 3D and a second screen controller would sell the console in the absence of games. Gimmicks are fine but they don't sell the console on their own. If Wii had launched without Wii Sports and Zelda it would have been an abject failure.

 

[PdotMichael]

It is for Nintendo.

No, it's not.

The Playstation 4 was released for 50$ more than the WiiU Deluxe at it's launch and was a gen better, while the PS4 business is profitable since the first day.

You really need to try very hard to make a console weaker than the PS4 in 2016/2017.

 

[SatoAilDarko]

I mean there is obviously a handheld portion to it.

I'm thinking a handheld portion around Wii U power with a home console version with beefier specs that is a half a step up above Wii U.

Low price and more games is better. They're never getting third-party support without selling a ton first. A stronger console wouldn't change that.

 

[Caipirinha]

Another gimmick console incoming

 

[Max_Po]

Consider the fact that Ouya almost didn't exist as any significant force in the market...

....yet it still got "big" games like Final Fantasy III.

I'd say that a mobile-port box with marketing behind it would gain a lot of quick n dirty ports that it would never have gotten otherwise..

In honesty how does that makes sense? I am going to buy a new console for games I can already play on another android device,,

Is NX a strickly home cosole?

It coud be just a slightly modified wii u for 200 and use your android phone as gamepad. Nintendo can sell it cheap and release an app on your phone to make it a controller.

What about 3ds ?Any news on the successor?

 

[DownGrader]

So here's something that the OP doesn't have, regarding whether it's a console or a handheld:

https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/617110715414016004



So he immediately dodged what kind of hardware it was, because he doesn't know. And since we already knew this was a multi-form factor project... there's now a possibility that itsfuckingnothing.gif

Mind you, if they do release a console that can't even reach PS4, the last transaction I make with Nintendo is donating them a new shovel so they can keep digging themselves that deep cavernous hole they're in.



So is this, if it relates to the console.



If that's their goal, this is absolutely the worst way to try. Again, if it relates to the console.

Added to the OP.

 

[10k]

If this is true than I'm out and done with Nintendo. Their games are good but not worth buying a console for to just use 5-6 times a year. If I can't play games from AAA third parties on it than I'm not buying it. I'm done with the "Nintendo tax" that is the console you buy just to play a few games a year.

 

[Mononoke]

No, it's not.

The Playstation 4 was released for 50$ more than the WiiU Deluxe at it's launch and was a gen better, while the PS4 business was profitable since the first day.

You really need to try very hard to make a console weaker than the PS4 in 2016/2017.

Let me rephrase it then: if it flops again at $300-350, they are stuck with another flop that asks consumers to spend too much to buy it. Another high entry cost to their software.

If you think they can make a PS4 powered console at a low low price, then *shrugs* It's not their priority and not what they see as a factor for why people don't want to buy their consoles.

 

[cripterion]

Haven't bought a Nintendo console for ages....Last one was the GameCube with Resident Evil remake.

Shame about their business decisions, I guess they just wanna keep doing their thing.

 

[Hatchtag]

I think it would piss off the AAA game playing hardcore, sure.

But device like this would certainly get all the indie games and such, so it would please that type of hardcore.

I don't think this box is where CoD or Assassin's Creed fans would go. It's not going to be the prettiest place to play or have the best online.

But a place where you can play Mario Kart and Hotline Miami? That's still a kind of hardcore gamer.

I don't think indie gamers are going to flock to the NX. Nintendo seems to have this huge philosophy about maintaining a game's value. Their games never go on sale. Right now, indie gaming couldn't be cheaper. There's sales upon sales on the pc (and many indie games are not very graphics intensive and can be easily played on low end computers). Both PS+ and XBL constantly have indie games as their 'free' games and often have steep discounts on ones that aren't. Nintendo's game prices are on the highest end of a spectrum, while indie games are at the lowest. I just don't see those two things mixing well.

For indie gaming to take off on Nintendo devices, Nintendo would either have to cut their games prices for them to co-exist, or convince indies to launch exclusively on their console so that they don't drop in value as quickly as they would on other platforms.

Like, take the Wii U right now. I like indie games. There's a decent selection of indie games on there. But I don't own any on that platform, because they're all cheaper elsewhere.

 

[Mpl90]

Before people quote Callahan's 150$ rumour again, Matt (a respected insider here) said it was "not accurate". He also said that the targeted resolution of the screens (of the handheld) are already known. I wonder what was "not accurate" about that: the part it was the home console, while it's a handheld, maybe?

 

[Conan-san]

Of course it wont't compete with them ... It will destroy them by having 3x more power!

Spoiler

ok sry

The games will run that many times better, at least.

 

[EatChildren]

Yep. I agree with this all. I LOVE nintendo but I know they wont jump into that race again and I'm fine with that if they can carve out a niche outside of the norm.

Yep. And I mean, if you've ever enjoyed portable hardware, like Nintendo's, stuff like this should be looked at with the same attitude. I've had a ton of fun with my GameBoys, DS, and 3DS. And my Vita. This alongside my consoles and my PC. While yes it would be nice for all that software to exist on my consoles too and look/run better, I could say the same for my consoles to PC. Wouldn't it be great if I didn't need a PS4 to run Uncharted 4 at 30fps, and instead 60fps on my PC? What I'd give 10 years ago to not have Metroid Prime on my GameCube but instead my computer, running at a much higher resolution.

It's nice to want things. But I accept that's not the case, just like I accept that the portable market, like what I'm enjoying on my 3DS, is not the same as enjoying stuff on my home consoles. They're independent ecosystems with their own software.

I figure that is what Nintendo will be doing with the NX relative to PlayStation and Xbox. Treating it less like a next generation hardware leap console, just like you would Consoles vs Portables, is the first step towards accepting Nintendo and enjoying what they've got.

 

[Instro]

NOTE: The quote in the title is redacted because character limit.

https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/617098268674273281

For those who doesn't know - this guy had reported about PS4 Uncharted collection, Fallout 4 Pip-boy collector's edition etc. before they were announced. He also has information about PS4/XBO port of ZombiU which is not yet confirmed but there was "Zombi" for Xbox One by Ubisoft in one of rating agency lists recently. So this guy seems to really have some inside information.

Lock if inappropriate.

This is all sounds like information that was dug out from linkedin profiles, which he clearly stalks. What else has he "rumored".

 

[Sadist]

Maybe Nintendo reached out to third parties for even more collabs instead of straight ports.

Nintendo seemed happy with Platinum Games, Hyrule Warriors, SMT x Fire Emblem etc. I'd go for that as well.

 

[ktroopa]

This is the end for Nintendo, i wont be around to watch the end game

When will they learn :/

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

So here's something that the OP doesn't have, regarding whether it's a console or a handheld:

https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/617110715414016004



So he immediately dodged what kind of hardware it was, because he doesn't know what the hell it even is.

Maybe he's the guy that said Retro was working on Star Tropics.

 

[-MB-]

How would a handheld device ever be able to compete with a PS4 power wise anyway.