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Metal Gear Solid V final box art (A Hideo Kojima Game/Kojima Productions removed)

Ueda is a contractor for Sony now but his name is still on the Last Guardian trailer. I mean, Sony's proud to have the guy working for them, even if it's not on an official Team ICO basis anymore. They want you to know it's his game. Look at the props they gave him at E3.

Yeup. Konami could have done the same. "The Final Metal Gear Solid game from acclaimed game director Hideo Kojima" boom. Marketing campaign that doesn't alienate the fanbase you're hoping to retain.

In terms of the splinter cell comparison, I think it's pretty obvious that SC has influenced some changes seen in MGS. Camera and crouch walk in particular.
 

Tekniqs

Member
Yeah, can I get it in PSD or PNG format? I might print it in high quality for all of us and have it ready in time for MGS V so we can have a mass burning on the actual boxart.

I deal with a few printhouses and can get it done for less than a dollar. Let's make it happen.

In for one!
 

R-User!

Member
Yeah, can I get it in PSD or PNG format? I might print it in high quality for all of us and have it ready in time for MGS V so we can have a mass burning on the actual boxart.

I deal with a few printhouses and can get it done for less than a dollar. Let's make it happen.

A few GMP for this factoring in shipping?!!

I'm in!
 
Yeah, can I get it in PSD or PNG format? I might print it in high quality for all of us and have it ready in time for MGS V so we can have a mass burning on the actual boxart.

I deal with a few printhouses and can get it done for less than a dollar. Let's make it happen.

Amazon giftcard would that be enough?
 
Yeah, can I get it in PSD or PNG format? I might print it in high quality for all of us and have it ready in time for MGS V so we can have a mass burning on the actual boxart.

I deal with a few printhouses and can get it done for less than a dollar. Let's make it happen.

If this is legit, I am more than ready to throw down some cash.
 

Kindekuma

Banned
Found the PNG link! Let's see how much it'll cost.

Edit: Kindekuma! ♡

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Keep me updated on the costs, I'd like to know as well.
 

Justified

Member
Ueda is a contractor for Sony now but his name is still on the Last Guardian trailer. I mean, Sony's proud to have the guy working for them, even if it's not on an official Team ICO basis anymore. They want you to know it's his game. Look at the props they gave him at E3.

The E3 trailer was not the official trailer. His name is NOT mention in the official trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXLZvsSmBIs


My stance has been voiced so I wont repeat it, but as far as someone saying why remove it during the "mid marketing push?" If what I think happen actually has happen, then legal reasons are legal reasons. "KojiPro studio, and brand is dissolve as of now, and your team will fulfill the rest of the MGSV development time+90days as contractors with "Konami proper"

Just like when Udea left, Gen Design "took over" for TLG (even though its just old Team ICO members). Kojima and Konami split may not have been as amicable
 

Anth0ny

Member
Yeah, can I get it in PSD or PNG format? I might print it in high quality for all of us and have it ready in time for MGS V so we can have a mass burning on the actual boxart.

I deal with a few printhouses and can get it done for less than a dollar. Let's make it happen.

holy shit please do this

my printer at home is garbage
 

A-V-B

Member
The E3 trailer was not the official trailer. His name is NOT mention in the official trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXLZvsSmBIs

That is the E3 trailer. It simply doesn't have the same opening, for whatever reason. I mean, they had the guy stand up and get a standing O after the trailer was over.

And Fumito Ueda is working with Gen Design. It says so on their website, and the Gen Design logo is on the trailer as well.

It's just an entirely different approach.
 
Yeah, can I get it in PSD or PNG format? I might print it in high quality for all of us and have it ready in time for MGS V so we can have a mass burning on the actual boxart.

I deal with a few printhouses and can get it done for less than a dollar. Let's make it happen.
If you could include me, I will happily pay shipping! :)
 

Justified

Member
That is the E3 trailer. It simply doesn't have the same opening, for whatever reason. I mean, they had the guy stand up and get a standing O after the trailer was over.

And Fumito Ueda is working with Gen Design. It says so on their website, and the Gen Design logo is on the trailer as well.

It's just an entirely different approach.

Yea its the "same" but the opening+the rest makes it the unofficial E3 trailer. Im sure they did it to show respect though like you said.

Im aware Udea is working with Gen Design, I forgot the comma after "left"

The situation is the same however. Employee leaves, stays on as contractor. Marketing name drops cease to exist, because that "brand name" is no more, However the person name will still appear in credits. etc
 
Yeah, can I get it in PSD or PNG format? I might print it in high quality for all of us and have it ready in time for MGS V so we can have a mass burning on the actual boxart.

I deal with a few printhouses and can get it done for less than a dollar. Let's make it happen.

I want to re-affirm that I will legit pay money to make this happen. If it really is less than a dollar per piece, I might just pitch in an extra $10 or something for surplus to be given to others here on NeoGAF. Might order a few for friends too...

I posted this in the MGS OT community thread, but I've made a Shinkawa cover for TPP based off the GZ alt cover. Enjoy!

uKmwym4.jpg

Thanks again, Kindekuma!

I never had much experience with MGO2 or 1, is there likely to be a clan system in MGO3? Does anyone know? I've been waiting for a multiplayer game I can get into this generation, and nothing has measured up yet, so MGSV's is my greatest hope to finally get back into multiplayer gaming. Just wondering if there are plans for some kind of GAF clan or independent matchmaking system. I'd love to play mostly with GAF instead of randoms, get some tactical team espionage going on!
 

mrpants

Member
Wow, they really are cutting all ties. Good luck Konami.

Anyway who else is looking forward to the next Metal Gear Solid
mobile
game?
 

Kindekuma

Banned
I'm incredibly flattered that you guys like the alt cover that much to want to pay actual money for a print of it. It really all was on Yoji Shinkawa for delivering on that amazing Snake artwork and for the original alt cover that it was based off of. I didn't expect Evilore to tweet it out either.
 

Shy

Member
Ohh, i thought i could take the PDF to the print shop, Kindekuma, May i have the PNG versions also then. please.
 

Kindekuma

Banned
Thanks so much.

Quick very dumb question, can i take the PDF to the print shop and it will be fine. ?

Yeah you'll be fine printing off either a PDF or PNG. The PDFs are all custom sized to each specific console case. So if you print off the PNG, you may have to crop the image by hand to fit in the case of your choice.
 
let's make it happen.

I'm going to start inquiring on Monday. Since all boxarts for different consoles have different sizes, I'll have to see who can get it all done without me cutting it myself.

I'll confirm the cost + shipping and give it a fixed cost. I got a friend in UPS so I'll ask him to accommodate with shipping in bulk (hopefully it's cheap). Whatever works!
 

Shy

Member
Yeah you'll be fine printing off either a PDF or PNG. The PDFs are all custom sized to each specific console case. So if you print off the PNG, you may have to crop the image by hand to fit in the case of your choice.
Ahhh. Thanks. <3
 
I'm going to start inquiring on Monday. Since all boxarts for different consoles have different sizes, I'll have to see who can get it all done without me cutting it myself.

I'll confirm the cost + shipping and give it a fixed cost. I got a friend in UPS so I'll ask him to accommodate with shipping in bulk (hopefully it's cheap). Whatever works!

sounds like a plan keep us posted.
 

J-Skee

Member
I'm incredibly flattered that you guys like the alt cover that much to want to pay actual money for a print of it. It really all was on Yoji Shinkawa for delivering on that amazing Snake artwork and for the original alt cover that it was based off of. I didn't expect Evilore to tweet it out either.

Oh come on, don't be so humble. You can take a little credit. :)

I'm going to start inquiring on Monday. Since all boxarts for different consoles have different sizes, I'll have to see who can get it all done without me cutting it myself.

I'll confirm the cost + shipping and give it a fixed cost. I got a friend in UPS so I'll ask him to accommodate with shipping in bulk (hopefully it's cheap). Whatever works!

My wallet is ready. I hope it isn't too much of a hassle!
 

BONKERS

Member
Suda51, American Mcgee, Sid Meyer, Tom Clancy etc etc... Konami put his name on there because his name had value. Tom Clancy and Clive Barker have their names on even if they've done fuck all with development. Besides, how many game devs have had as much control over their work as Kojima? Characters, story/script, gameplay, cinematics...He edits his own trailers. If you've played Policenauts/Snatcher and compared it to Rising/Portable Ops you can see the distinct style of his games and obsession with detail. MGS is very much his baby and wouldn't have been half as successful without him.

Portable Ops is very much a MGS game. In gameplay, tone, themes and story.

Next you'll say ZOE 1&2 is very Kojima! When he only produced the game in the same capacity as in PO and Rising. He didn't write ZOE. He didn't direct ZOE. He didn't do game design on ZOE.



He is credited only as "Opening Movie Creation" and "Producer" in ZOE1
https://youtu.be/Il3-sU2XT3U?t=3m51s
And only as "Planner" and "Producer" in ZOE2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-lgZ49imdc

People swoon over ZOE and talk oodles of praise for Kojima for it, when in reality his capacity of involvement was no more than those of the same games people deride for him simply having the same level of involvement.


The bigger irony is that even though he was only a Producer on games like The Twin Snakes or Portable Ops it was HIS choices and decisions that affected large things involved with those games.

In the case of TTS, a lot of people hate it because of the unrealistic and changed cutscenes. Which KOJIMA is solely responsible for this happening. There are several instances in an interview where Kojima mentions that Ryuhei Kitamura had originally made them very faithful to the original until he (Kojima) told him to change them.
The interview in question seems to have disappeared from the web unfortunately so I can't reference it.

He claimed in several interviews that they (Key word being *Plural* because he has never been the sole writer of the story in MGS) couldn't finalize or finish writing the story to MGS4 without Portable Ops FIRST. (Not to mention several mechanics and ideas in PW forward are iterated from Portable Ops. Even maps in MGO2 were from PO).
Kojima said about the PSP MGS Portable Ops, "If you change the Ops story, you have to change 4. If you change 4, it also becomes necessary to change Ops. Until Ops is finished, 4's story can't be finalized."
http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/09/25/portable-ops-tied-to-mgs4

Honestly the only person i've ever seen who ever backpedals MORE on the things they say and do is Yoshiyuki Tomino. It's embarrassing.

And Rising was NEVER being directed by Kojima anyway. (Which makes it all the more hilarious when people with Kojima complexes talk trash about Revengeance and start spewing stuff about Rising based on assumptions)
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid:_Rising
Even if it had been, no doubt i'm sure he would've come up with some way to disown it anyway since he wasn't directing.



Don't get me wrong, I *Hate* seeing Kojima and his' company's name removed from the box art Because it's disrespectful to the hundreds of people involved and himself. If anything Konami should only be a tiny footnote on the box or not at all on the front and only on the back.

There is a key difference too between something like "Tom Clancy's" and "A Hideo Kojima game". Tom Clancy is nothing more than a brand name in the straightest sense. The man had essentially 0 involvement and input on any of the games with his name on it beyond from what I understand the initial Red Storm days.
 

MrS

Banned
I'm going to start inquiring on Monday. Since all boxarts for different consoles have different sizes, I'll have to see who can get it all done without me cutting it myself.

I'll confirm the cost + shipping and give it a fixed cost. I got a friend in UPS so I'll ask him to accommodate with shipping in bulk (hopefully it's cheap). Whatever works!
Awesome! Thanks for this.
 

zoukka

Member
I love Shinkawa art more than most people, but that cover is way worse than the real one. The original is actually very striking and eyecatching.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
I'm not sure if GAF saw this already but... did Kojima know from the start and the extra DLC mission for the PS4 version of GZ based around what was happening?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuCzWJ-_SK4

Hard to say...
This could be one of the many crazy conspiracy theories MGS fans are known for.
But on the other hand, Kojima could have seen what's been going on at Konami and felt that his time at the company was short.
 

enigmatic_alex44

Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Even with this whole fiasco I'm still buying this, but it's officially the last product I'll ever buy from Konami.

I don't care what happens with Metal Gear from this point on, any future installments aren't canon imo.
 

Juicy Bob

Member
As much as I really don't like how Konami's big wigs have handled this situation at all, the fact is that Metal Gear and Pro Evolution are two of my favourite franchises in gaming. :/
 

Saladinoo

Member
I never had much experience with MGO2 or 1, is there likely to be a clan system in MGO3? Does anyone know? I've been waiting for a multiplayer game I can get into this generation, and nothing has measured up yet, so MGSV's is my greatest hope to finally get back into multiplayer gaming. Just wondering if there are plans for some kind of GAF clan or independent matchmaking system. I'd love to play mostly with GAF instead of randoms, get some tactical team espionage going on!

I second all of this - I'll be online from the middle of September!
 
sounds like a plan keep us posted.

Keeping you all posted.

It going to cost me 50 cents per cover (500 minimum though. I'll see if that can be split between different consoles box sizes)! Shipping might be less than $5, I hope.

Going to figure out the logistics soon.

Thanks for being a true La Le Lu Li Lo and being patient!
 

ClearData

Member
Keeping you all posted.

It going to cost me 50 cents per cover (500 minimum though. I'll see if that can be split between different consoles box sizes)! Shipping might be less than $5, I hope.

Going to figure out the logistics soon.

Thanks for being a true La Le Lu Li Lo and being patient!

Aw, now this is getting exciting!
 
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