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[Slayven]

I didn't know touching hair was a thing lol. The only one I can relate to is swearing at my parents (what's wrong with that?)

There's a lot of generalising (or if not generalising then they're strawmen)
Do they really think that a lot (if not most) white people don't sympathise with the whole black lives matter movement? Or think that a black person's life matters less? The average white dude does in fact also have the ability to empathise, it's just racists and xenophobes who can't.

I get that with cops murdering black people left and right in the US without consequences that they feel (and are) heavily discriminated against.
I feel the rage whenever I see another news article about some black guy being shot in the back or hear another racist piece of shit treat brown people like 'others' in my own country, and I'm not even the one being discriminated against. So I can certainly sympathise with the anger.
But there is absolutely no point in creating this us vs them narrative (whites vs blacks and vice versa).

This video is (aside from some really good questions here and there) mostly 'stop generalising against us I'll generalise back at you that'll really show you!'. It's really counter productive.



Not that I care I guess, like louis ck said "You can't hurt my feelings, What are you going to do, call me a cracker? "

People getting more divided makes me sad, the world is already a shitty enough place as it is.

You would think that but, black people catch hell from racists and "allies".


Did you know Sanders marched with MLK?

 

[ghst]

i remember the first day i found out i was white, it was when my grandparents took me to the park to see the tadpoles. as i peered into the pond on a clear day i was aghast at the pale visage staring back at me. i turned to my nan and asked "am i white?" and she broke down in tears.

i immediately asked these 24 questions to myself and feebly struggled for answers then, much as i do now.

 

[JDSN]

How dare people actually debate points in a video instead of uncritically accepting what Buzzfeed tells them is true?

Its just a series of people listing the questions and finding very diverse ways to say the same thing ("I dont do this"). The vídeo is not about you and how you feel as a white person, its a criticism about persistent issues of that a minority group faces. If your boss calls a meeting and commentd about lower group performance you dont yell "Ohh not me tho!" mid-meeting, you take a look at yourself, you see if you are making mistakes and if you dont you examine which mistakes are others doing so you dont make them in the future and why were they made, you can also even laugh at some of the jokes.

I dunno man, I just don't get it. Why on earth are people discussing the content of the video in the OP? Why are they answering questions that are being asked of them?

I tell you, it's mad.

Im still stealing your white vs blacks idea and pitching it to several channels, im sure TLC will need something to full a slot when someone from those trashy shows touch little kids like they always do.

 

[SmokyDave]

i remember the first day i found out i was white, it was when my grandparents took me to the park to see the tadpoles. as i peered into the pond on a clear day i was aghast at the pale visage staring back at me. i turned to my nan and asked "am i white?" and she broke down in tears.

i immediately asked these 24 questions to myself and feebly struggled for answers then, much as i do now.

We've all been there dude. I get flashbacks every time the Werther's Originals adverts come on. It only takes a second for your world to turn upside down. Stay strong, and never be ashamed to oppress those weaker than yourself.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Its just a series of people listing the questions and finding very diverse ways to say the same thing ("I dont do this"). The vídeo is not about you and how you feel as a white person, its a criticism about persistent issues of that a minority group faces. If your boss calls a meeting and commentd about lower group performance you dont yell "Ohh not me tho!" mid-meeting, you take a look at yourself, you see if you are making mistakes and if you dont you examine which mistakes are others doing so you dont make them in the future and why were they made, you can also even laugh at some of the jokes.

As Deified Data said above, what should we discuss, then? Yes, white people are privileged and can be racist.

 

[SneakyStephan]

You would think that but, black people catch hell from racists and "allies".


Did you know Sanders marched with MLK?

Sorry I don't understand what you're saying.

We've all been there dude. I get flashbacks every time the Werther's Originals adverts come on. It only takes a second for your world to turn upside down. Stay strong, and never be ashamed to oppress those weaker than yourself.

I wasn't going to say anything but I can't resist anymore.
It's pretty ironic seeing you troll these threads after your many xenophobic comments in UK immigration related threads.

 

[BigDes]

Aside from the complaint about Cedric the lion I thought those questions were pretty much spot on.

Although I never knew the hair touching was a thing, do people really just reach out to grope black people's heads as if it was a cool thing to do?

 

[FadedRevolution]

Gotta give the side eye about the ''trendy hair'' has most black women are wearing weaves to ressemble white women themselves.

Well when your hair is seen as less valued or less attractive and are constantly told this for years of course you're gonna emulate what is seen as attractive which would be to emulate white women

 

[Schweinehund]

Tried to address them all, seems like some of them are half questions or remarks.


1. Bad directing, slasher films are like entry level directing for horror
2. I don't mind in most cases (if they find the best actor for the part, then go ahead), in terms of comic book characters it's because of their character and how they're portrayed, if you want a minority character there's a lot of excellent ones just waiting to be used (Black Panther, Mr. Terrific, Storm, etc). I'm not freaking out over Black Adam not being Egyptian because I have confidence the Rock can pull it off & he's a huge fan of the character.
3. People are obsessed with Idris because of the Wire and the rest are bandwagoners.
4. I don't care for either of those.
5. Don't care.
6. Don't care, guessing it's because of remote areas that don't have very many black people catch hold of a trend and they believe that they're the founders of it. Though I'm sure there's always some small group of people that appropriate intentionally.
7. I guess white women are the model of beauty in our society, I really don't mind if you wear your hair natural.
8. With number 7, I feel like people should make their hair as they please, putting stuff behind racial barriers just makes it feel segregated to me. The problem is double standards, everyone should be free from that.
9. I still got student loans, sorry.
10. White Crime/Black Crime in the media, because of institutionalized racism.
11. Talking about race makes me unconformable because not everyone holds the same views. Not all people of the same skin color hold the same views on race, so what one person considers racist could be trivial to another (people wearing ethnic hairstyles, for example). Different people are sensitive to different things. It seems everything could be racist for any reason. OFC there are obvious racist things such as institutionalized racism or cultural double standards. It's the same reason I don't talk about politics with a lot of people, people can become totally different when you bring up the subject and you might lose a friend over it.
12. Because a lot of white people grow up surrounded by white people and that's the natural, safe zone environment for them.
13. I don't understand what she's saying, something about color blind.
14. I don't, but it's the most taboo word in American English. I'd argue it's one of the few swear words that actually carries weight anymore. It's the same reason you hear little kids go through a swearing phase, they're curious because it's forbidden.
15. I don't touch people's hair.
16. Black friends, it's an infalliable argument on it's face, though I don't think there's a state of not being racist, it's more magnitudes.
17. I don't, atleast not in front of people.
18. Don't kiss my dog.
19. Repetition, Growing up with Germanic names. You don't hear the other names all that often outside of specific context.
20. Some people value animal lives more than humans, they're more able to associate with a cute kitten then people they don't associate with daily. I don't connect with people on an emotional level with 9/11 because I live so far away, I don't feel the police problem because I live in a town of <1,000 people. Unless the problem is at my door step, I can't connect as easily.
21. My guess is because white privilege reveals a problem without discussing a plan to tackle it, so it becomes a confrontational issue rather than one in which change takes place.

 

[Mesousa]

You have to give off Bill Bojangles Robinson level of softness vibes for any person to touch your hair. That really seems to be more of a boundary issue more than anything.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

I got through it until the "why does a lion's life matter more than a black persons?"

The amount of times I've heard that... it pisses me off.

 

[Dice]

I dunno man, I just don't get it. Why on earth are people discussing the content of the video in the OP? Why are they answering questions that are being asked of them?

I tell you, it's mad.

See this kind of response, as well as others, is what I mean.

Aside from the apparent notion that the questions weren't to be answered, but simply felt and understood like ones that girl you stopped dating for good reason, let's say okay, what if every person who watched caught on to that passive-aggressive message. What then is the point?

As I said earlier, it only creates a vibe of something like "I need you to be with me on this but don't forget you're the enemy." And maybe that is the vibe you get from society, even a step beyond to "I need you to be with me on this: You're the enemy." But reflecting an annoying-to-hostile vibe doesn't make people automatically make people think of any possible way they could have been that to others and also know how to adjust it or make it better. It doesn't even slightly begin to start moving things in that direction, and worse, it may turn off some people who were on their way to being good allies.

"Don't critique my methods" is fine if all you're after is venting, but if you're really trying to bring people to the table to work with them, unfortunately actually attempting to work at whatever level they are at and make progress from there is important. A zinger won't do that work. And like I said before, I see the same shit across the lines of something like the abortion debate, or sexism debates, or political debates. Just terrible apologetics all around. Empathy can be lovely, but it can't teach everything in itself. Words do have practical, functional purpose and meaning. Relationship is not an endless series of performance art.

 

[deli2000]

Aside from the complaint about Cedric the lion I thought those questions were pretty much spot on.

Although I never knew the hair touching was a thing, do people really just reach out to grope black people's heads as if it was a cool thing to do?

It happens to me all the time, no idea what drives people to think it's okay. The moment you call someone out on it even slightly, they start being overly defensive because they're totally not racist.

 

[Infinite]

That's how language works. That's kinda the root of all this stuff. Go and tell a bunch of women that women can't drive for shit and then see if they all calm down when you point out they're making it about themselves and you were talking about other women. Then you can go and tell short men that they're angry all the fucking time, but point out after that you meant those other short men so there was no need for stumpy and his mates to 'catch feelings'.

If you refer to 'white people', there is every chance that white people will think you're referring to them. They're not necessarily 'catching feelings', they're responding to being directly addressed.

Edit: Woah, by posting this reply I've both made something about me that ain't about me, and probably 'caught feelings' too. This is one wild ride!

Choosing to interpret the video this way is side stepping point of it which is intended to be an exercise in self reflection and not a handy dandy list of white generalizations everyone knows isn't fucking true. The whole point in asking the question the Cecil the lion question is to get folks thinking about the public outcry, media attention, potential legislation that got introduced to prevent more stuff like it from happening that the majority had in reaction to the lion being killed versus the death of a young black teen where the media character assassinates them, folks debate endlessly about whether or not they caused their own deaths and the media criminalizes people for being mad enough to protest about it. In general you didn't get the same kind of public outcry from the majority. Making this question about you personally is yes distracting from that.

Also language doesn't quite work that way context and society gives language it's meaning. Calling women bad drivers is reinforces negative stereotypes about women that existed long before you and I were even thought of. Saying white peoples kiss their dogs on the mouth amounts to nothing more than a "hahaha funny" joke.

 

[depths20XX]

Is it ok if you say the N-word in the lyrics to a song if there are no black people around?

 

[JDSN]

As Deified Data said above, what should we discuss, then? Yes, white people are privileged and can be racist.

The way I see it, you can learn how others make those questions or why. A person that acts like they have no blind spots are usually the first to make not online make a mistake but less likely to fix it.

Edit: Id be Hard for me to prove that there is someone out there that cares a lot for a Lion but little for another person's Life, its more of a comment about the politicians, media, advocacy, which are still mostly white-oriented. Its also not a very concise to communicate.

 

[SmokyDave]

I wasn't going to say anything but I can't resist anymore.
It's pretty ironic seeing you troll these threads after your many xenophobic comments in UK immigration related threads.

If I'm honest, I'm not really seeing the irony. Even if I conflate culture, religion, ethnicity, race, and nationality (as I have no doubt you are doing). Still not really seeing the irony.

Choosing to interpret the video this way is side stepping point of it which is intended to be an exercise in self reflection and not a handy dandy list of white generalizations everyone knows isn't fucking true. The whole point in asking the question the Cecil the lion question is to get folks thinking about the public outcry, media attention, potential legislation that got introduced to prevent more stuff like it from happening that the majority had in reaction to the lion being killed versus the death of a young black teen where the media character assassinates them, folks debate endlessly about whether or not they caused their own deaths and criminalizes people for being mad enough to protest about it. In general you didn't get the same kind of public outcry from the majority. Making this question about you personally is yes distracting from that.

Also language doesn't quite work that way context and society gives language it's meaning. Calling women bad drivers is reinforces negative stereotypes about women that existed long before you and I were even thought of. Saying white peoples kiss their dogs on the mouth amounts to nothing more than a "hahaha funny" joke.

The problem is, I can't relate to any of the stuff in the video. I've never weighed up the life of a black person against the life of a lion. Truth be told I'm not really bothered that a lion got shot at all.

 

[FadedRevolution]

I got through it until the "why does a lion's life matter more than a black persons?"

The amount of times I've heard that... it pisses me off.

Well check the response for justice for Cecil vs the response for justice for the multiple black lives murdered by police and see why it pisses us off.

 

[twobear]

I got through it until the "why does a lion's life matter more than a black persons?"

The amount of times I've heard that... it pisses me off.

i mean if you were going to base it off the level of outrage you'd assume the lion mattered more

 

[Dennis]

We've all been there dude. I get flashbacks every time the Werther's Originals adverts come on

Werther's Originals

 

[ghst]

It's pretty ironic seeing you troll these threads after your many xenophobic comments in UK immigration related threads.

you should him on snapchat. it's basically a collection of toilet doors from all the most racist pubs in england with "fair play" or "makes you think" commented over the top.

 

[Slayven]

White people don't want to say the N Word.


White people want to say the N Word free from judgement, history, and context.

HUGE difference.

 

[Deified Data]

I got through it until the "why does a lion's life matter more than a black persons?"

The amount of times I've heard that... it pisses me off.

More or less than "why does a lion's life matter more than chopped up fetuses"?

 

[Samara]

I got through it until the "why does a lion's life matter more than a black persons?"

The amount of times I've heard that... it pisses me off.

Heard it many times by some vegans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqhUIns86cA

 

[deli2000]

Is it ok if you say the N-word in the lyrics to a song if there are no black people around?

Go for it. I mean, what are we going to do? Jump through the window of your house and shame you to death?

You could probably say the N-word within my vicinity and I couldn't get angry about it because I would be turning off potential allies.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I see the circus is still in town..

 

[BigDes]

The lion thing isn't about people caring, but it was about the speed, furor, and raw tidal wave of it going down. Lion gets killed, folks knew the dude's work place, social security and shit the next day. Had protests of hundreds outside his office the next day, politicians were calling for investigations and trying to push through laws the next day, they were going to force the dude to testify in front congress that that week.


But has been damn near a year since Tamir Rice died and we still don't know shit.

But BLM is met with Alllivesmatters.


The optics can make you feel a little down on your perceived spot in society.

That question makes a lot more sense to me now, thanks.

 

[mantidor]

Because it's an itemized Buzzfeed list in video form?

This is what I find the most baffling about the thread.

People are arguing how "smart" a Buzzfeed video is, and how it has an incredible clever underlying message at the end.

A freaking Buzzfeed video.


I'll stick to Clickhole for my controversial racial videos, thank you.

 

[twobear]

i mean based on the outrage the most significant BLM related thing was when they went to that bernie sanders rally and the whites got all upset about it

is it any wonder that the lion got more support??

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Well check the response for justice for Cecil vs the response for justice for the multiple black lives murdered by police and see why it pisses us off.

So the response of the systems of justice that your particular country has in place is somehow representative of how "white people" in general think of black lives in comparison to a lions?

People who ask that can fuck right off.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

The way I see it, you can learn how others make those questions or why. A person that acts like they have no blind spots are usually the first to make not online make a mistake but less likely to fix it.

I still kinda roll my eyes when people talk about microaggresions but im becoming aware of the impact, as small as it is, that they might have.

It's a list with questions and the answer is to not answer but reflect. This is a discussion forum. People are going to discuss it, and the questions don't help but further that discussion.

 

[SmokyDave]

you should him on snap chat. it's basically a collection of toilet doors from all the most racist pubs in england with "fair play" or "makes you think" commented over the top.

That's you taken off the 'Good Calls From Pub Stalls' mailing list. Ungrateful shit.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Loving this stealth #notallwhitepeople argument people are rolling with.

 

[dave is ok]

People always go insane at videos/news of animals being abused or killed on the internet.

It's a completely unrelated flash-in-the-pan story which everyone already forgot about.

 

[twobear]

Loving this stealth #notallwhitepeople argument people are rolling with.

stealth???

 

[Slayven]

That question makes a lot more sense to me now, thanks.

It's why I am here, that and jokes

 

[Infinite]

Loving this stealth #notallwhitepeople argument people are rolling with.

Pretty bad camo index on those arguments

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

stealth???

Terrible stealth is still stealth.

 

[JDSN]

This is what I find the most baffling about the thread.

People are arguing how "smart" a Buzzfeed video is, and how it has an incredible clever underlying message at the end.

A freaking Buzzfeed video.


I'll stick to Clickhole for my controversial racial videos, thank you.

The jokes are not funny, the issues are dealt in a very superficial way, it kinda long.


And yet people are still getting hurt and saying lalalala at this basic Buzzfeed shit.

Edit:haha thats great.

It's a list with questions and the answer is to not answer but reflect. This is a discussion forum. People are going to discuss it, and the questions don't help but further that discussion.

I agree its meant to reflect, sorry for the vagueness but when I made the console fanboy comparison it was more at a fan's stance to disagree with the other side in every aspect just because of a visceral reaction.

 

[deli2000]

It's why I am here, that and jokes

And obscure comic talk.

 

[twobear]

the black fictional characters one is funny, the mental gymnastics people go through to justify it

 

[Mohonky]

Loving this stealth #notallwhitepeople argument people are rolling with.

So #allwhitepeople?

 

[Slayven]

And obscure comic talk.

the black fictional characters one is funny, the mental gymnastics people go through to justify it

Racial issues in comics and the industry would be hilarious to discuss. Like how in the future of DC they literally sent all black people on earth to another dimension.

 

[SuperSonic1305]

I'm sure if Storm was white in the next X-men everyone would be fine with it.

 

[User 73706]

I think if there's anything we can learn from this discussion, it's that generalizations and stereotyping are bad. Now, don't get me wrong, I understand race things can happen to black people (even though I never see it personally *eyeroll*), but both sides want to have to improve if we're to fix things. If someone puts out a video putting innocent white people on blast because of their whiteness, well, what's the message there? "It's okay to be racist?" Because that's certainly not what I've heard black people ask for. Everyone involved - and I mean everybody - involved in sparking racially-charged discussions need to sit down for a minute, look at the situation objectively, and ask yourself: would you want those same questions asked to you? Frankly, I think we've been trying to "end" what certain groups of people call "racism" in the wrong place.

 

[SmokyDave]

Loving this stealth #notallwhitepeople argument people are rolling with.

Why are you obsessed with how many bathrooms the average house has?

How come at 44 you still shuffle down the stairs on your arse?

Why do you prefer ketchup to brown sauce on cornflakes?

What made you buy a Fiat Coupe, when you don't like four spoke alloy wheels?

How come you blew up at your little sister for wearing two red hats?

 

[BigDes]

Racial issues in comics and the industry would be hilarious to discuss. Like how in the future of DC they literally sent all black people on earth to another dimension.

Or that arc in The Punisher books

 

[Subpar Spatula]

This is what I find the most baffling about the thread.

People are arguing how "smart" a Buzzfeed video is, and how it has an incredible clever underlying message at the end.

A freaking Buzzfeed video.


I'll stick to Clickhole for my controversial racial videos, thank you.

lol @ death

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

So #allwhitepeople?

Its either one extreme or the other with some of you people.

 

[twobear]

I think if there's anything we can learn from this discussion, it's that generalizations and stereotyping are bad. Now, don't get me wrong, I understand race things can happen to black people (even though I never see it personally *eyeroll*), but both sides want to have to improve if we're to fix things. If someone puts out a video putting innocent white people on blast because of their whiteness, well, what's the message there? "It's okay to be racist?" Because that's certainly not what I've heard black people ask for. Everyone involved - and I mean everybody - involved in sparking racially-charged discussions need to sit down for a minute, look at the situation objectively, and ask yourself: would you want those same questions asked to you? Frankly, I think we've been trying to "end" what certain groups of people call "racism" in the wrong place.

is this an elaborate troll post