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What's with the recent trend of "jump cuts" in youtube gamer "celebs" ?

Dio

Banned
It's not just gaming. It's a popular style to keep the video 'high energy' that ALL youtube celebrities use, like RayWilliamJohnson and guys. It's also been around as a youtube trend for years.
 

Servbot24

Banned
It's not recent. This has been a trend pretty much since YouTube celebrities existed.

It's an easy way to increase the "energry" of a guy sitting there in his room talking at his computer.
 
It comes off as they don't know how to properly speak to their audience without highly editing their product

Easier to record all the content in one video file and edit in post production than starting and stopping over and over when you screw something up. They could stand to have tiny fades or something to make it smoother, though.
 
Meh, that's tame compared to ones where it's a close up of their face on one side of the camera, then it's a quick cut to them making a face silently, then a cut to them on the opposite side of the camera talking about something, then a cutaway with them holding their pet for some reason.

All in the span of seven seconds.
 

mrqs

Member
It's way harder to speak without have any kind of editing. The video doesn't flow as good as if you just do some jump cuts, sometimes you have to do it 'cause you stopped a second to think.

It's pretty hard to find someone that can talk what he is thinking for many minutes without any huge breaks in pacing. Editing makes the video shorter, denser and more focused., it's not at all a bad thing.
 
I'm with you OP, I think it highlights the lack of true personality/communication ability of the presenter and, on the whole, makes the video seem much more amateur.
 
It's way harder to speak without have any kind of editing. The video doesn't flow as good as if you just do some jump cuts, sometimes you have to do it 'cause you stopped a second to think.

It's pretty hard to find someone that can talk what he is thinking for many minutes without any huge breaks in pacing. Editing makes the video shorter, denser and more focused., it's not at all a bad thing.

Editing is good, but this is the laziest kind of editing. I think they do it probably because they don't have to do takes so they can pump out videos really fast.
 

TAFK

Member
I don't understand how these people don't realize the easiest way to mask this is put a large image or footage over the cut then fade back, not as jumpy and you can still have different speaking tracks with it sounding smooth in editing...
 

scitek

Member
This is actually something that happens in all video entertainment, it's just in tv you cover the jump cuts with b-roll.
 

scitek

Member
Editing is good, but this is the laziest kind of editing. I think they do it probably because they don't have to do takes so they can pump out videos really fast.
Well, the best thing to do would be to write a script, then use an iPad as a teleprompter, but most don't think about that kind of stuff.
 
I'm with you OP, I think it highlights the lack of true personality/communication ability of the presenter and, on the whole, makes the video seem much more amateur.

exactly. thanks.

EDIT. OK maybe not NEW, but definitely NEW with some older youtubers, such as boogie. he didn't always do this and I like his content less now.
 
Some years ago I was into this kind of thing (oh please forgive me) and used this kind of techniques when it was just me talking to the camera. In my opinion it is much interesting than just one-take all video and upload it like so.

I had a script written in paper, with divisions marking several fragments and tiny reactions, so there was some pre-recording thought involved on it.

I could shorten the whole product, and keep the thing more dynamic. It also allows for some "creative" uses such as talking to another self, making fast-weird faces and dumb stuff like that. Sincerely I had lots of fun just editing my own shit.
 

Dreavus

Member
To be honest, the example posted in the OP is pretty restrained. At least he restricts it to one cut per coherent thought. There are some youtubers who jump cut in a rapid fire manner that can be extremely distracting.
 

Zomba13

Member
what do you mean recent

This. Jumpcuts have been an "in" thing with youtube videos forever. It keeps the pace fast and lets them only show the "good" bits while cutting out and flubbs or downtime so the video and creator appear to have this energy about them.
 

Raticus79

Seek victory, not fairness
This isn't nearly as bad as I expected. Just wait until they figure out they can set up multiple webcams and switch angles every few seconds like a movie trailer or TV commercial.
 
You mean to tell me that these people have no technical skills beyond being able to point a webcam at themselves?

Shocking.
 

Clawww

Member
it's one of those things that distinguishes the gradients between internet 'generations.' I'm not a fan but it is what it is. like someone mentioned, other forms of video media have been doing different but equally 'obnoxious' stuff. editing isn't easy either, and there's only so much you can do with one webcam, and then you factor in the fact that this style is making a shitton of money for certain creators, etc.
 
Cannot stand this shit, especially when they can't even get through one sentence without like 4 cuts. Just redo the take, numbnuts.
 

VegiHam

Member
But like, what's the alternative? The whole thing done in one take so the guy never moves? Speech that sounds natural, by which I mean umming and aahing and pauses and the guy losing his place?

I get enough of that in University lectures, thanks. Just give me my info, quickly.
 

oti

Banned
Recent?

If you don't know much about comedy timing and/or your writing sucks, just use jump cuts. It's cheap and fairly effective with the target audience of 12-year-olds. Done.
 

LordofPwn

Member
It's either jump cuts or get multiple cameras set up with different angles. if you make youtube videos you may not have enough money to own 2 or more cameras.
 

gblues

Banned
But like, what's the alternative? The whole thing done in one take so the guy never moves? Speech that sounds natural, by which I mean umming and aahing and pauses and the guy losing his place?

I get enough of that in University lectures, thanks. Just give me my info, quickly.

Man, if only there was a place people could go to learn presentation and video editing techniques.

All it takes is a little planning, and a little skill. You'll notice that Jimquisition does not do this, because he's a professional and gives a shit about his work.

Jimquisition format is basically: Opening monologue -> video montage with voiceover -> closing monologue. The monologue segments are relatively short and don't need the "YT jump cut" to maintain energy.

For something that's all monologue, you would want to do record each segment of the monologue in a single shot, and then use a transition effect between segments to hide the jump cut.

Efficient delivery doesn't require amateur-level jump cuts like you see on the vast majority of YT videos.
 

VegiHam

Member
Man, if only there was a place people could go to learn presentation and video editing techniques.

All it takes is a little planning, and a little skill. You'll notice that Jimquisition does not do this, because he's a professional and gives a shit about his work.

Jimquisition format is basically: Opening monologue -> video montage with voiceover -> closing monologue. The monologue segments are relatively short and don't need the "YT jump cut" to maintain energy.

For something that's all monologue, you would want to do record each segment of the monologue in a single shot, and then use a transition effect between segments to hide the jump cut.

Efficient delivery doesn't require amateur-level jump cuts like you see on the vast majority of YT videos.

Huh. As alternatives go that does sound pretty good. I just think it's unrealistic to expect everyone to be that capable. I'll take what we get now over people just uploading the unedited raw footage cus they're told jump cuts are bad and don't know what else to do...
 

Azalean

Banned
Eh, what the hell @ 1:35, with Boogie implying that if a game is singleplayer/offline-only PC gamers pirate it instead of buy it. That shit is kinda offensive, man.

Well, he ain't exactly wrong. Most PC gamers are seemingly allergic to paying for their games.
 

Zukuu

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Skenzin

Banned
Cinema=life minus the boring parts
Jump cuts are an effective, albeit creatively lazy, method to accomplish this. They've been around as long as film/video and sway back and forth between stylish and amateurish.. In a YouTube video i would rather have them than dead air time.
 

wmlk

Member
example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSpnGxAY9kU

I honestly find it annoying they have so many jump cuts. It comes off as they don't know how to properly speak to their audience without highly editing their product

Huh?

It's a technique to get rid of dead air and deliver information quickly that holds your attention.

Huh. As alternatives go that does sound pretty good. I just think it's unrealistic to expect everyone to be that capable. I'll take what we get now over people just uploading the unedited raw footage cus they're told jump cuts are bad and don't know what else to do...

It's not even about what people are capable of. Some people just like to do it and it's been proven to be effective for them.
 

gblues

Banned
Cinema=life minus the boring parts
Jump cuts are an effective, albeit creatively lazy, method to accomplish this. They've been around as long as film/video and sway back and forth between stylish and amateurish.. In a YouTube video i would rather have them than dead air time.

Yep I agree that it's better than having no editing done at all, but jump-cutting from yourself to yourself in the middle of a monologue segment says "I don't want to re-shoot this segment properly, so I'm just going to re-record the flubbed sentence and jump-cut it into my video instead."

And that's fine for someone just getting started and ramping up their skills. It's not fine for the so-called "YouTube celebs" to still be doing it. You got dat revenue coming in, you can afford to learn some more advanced editing and presentation techniques.
 

Aroll

Member
Is it lazy? Well, maybe.

A lot of these "celebrities" aren't professional video editors. Some go more all out than others (Angry Joe's reviews... he does costumes and skits for), while others go a more minimalist route (Jimquisition is generally just gameplay footage mixed with still images - stuff you can do with windows movie maker). However, does that make the editing "easy"?

I do some video stuff on YT for Zelda Informer. I use Sony Vegas pro 13. I am far from a professional video editor. To even edit an episode of "The Boss Man", it takes me nearly a dozen hours for 10 to 20 minutes of footage. If you watch an episode - outside of a green screen effect you'd assume I haven't done much else - but most fail to realize that the more amateur you are with video editing, the more work it takes to actually get an episode up to an acceptable level of quality.

So, let's dive into Jump cuts. There is a natural assumption everything is done in one take and spliced together - and yes, most videos are are single files split up and put together. However, sometimes that single video file took a half dozen takes to get right. Sometimes you fail to launch, other times you lose your train of thought, and even if you're reading a script, you'll catch yourself sounding like you're reading a script instead of feeling more natural.

All of this causes take after take, until you finally get one take that has everything in it the way you want it to be, even if you have to cut out some stuff due to a cough, some background noise, or because you were being a bit too repetitive. As others said - to keep up the consistent quality and pacing, jump cuts are an obvious play for amateurs and have been as such since youtube came into existence. Heck, even if you used a few takes and put them together, jump cuts will be there.

In the example given, outside of the first jumpcut - it at least makes some logical sense. He jump cuts each topic - so the topic itself gets the best attention to editing it can. He also focuses the camera on him than zooms out so he can put some video/imagery on the top left like a news channel. The only way that can happen naturally without a jump cut is for someone to be on the other end of that camera.

Generally, YouTube celebrities are doing all of this work themselves. Meaning they are using a stationary camera - so if he wants to create that effect, he has to readjust the camera for those portions. The easiest way to transition is a jump cut, and those are widely accepted in the YT community.

There is a lot of effort that goes into editing even the smallest thing for amateurs. I feel it's important we understand and appreciate the amount of work that goes in and that while jump cuts may not be to someone's personal taste, it's widely accepted in the community they hail from and if they did some sort of "fade in, fade out" effect, it would actually screw up the pacing. It's on of those "necessary" evils, especially for what boogie is trying to do with this video.
 
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