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[oneils]

I didn't really pay attention to Gamer Gate when it happened, but could someone clarify whether it is supposed to be about ethics in game journalism, or just plain hating on women involved in video games? I don't really know anymore.

It was a bunch of guys harassing a game developer - a woman. They couched it as ethics in game journalism because she apparently had sex with some dude who wrote blurbs about games on a website. It was all bullshit. They sent death threats to her.

Then they started harassing (with death threats and threats of rape) anyone who critised them.

 

[Mr.Mike]

"We need to make games $59.99 again in Canada"

The Canadian Dollar is pretty much tied to mineral commodities and oil, with it's price increasing and decreasing along with the price of commodities. There is very little the Prime Minister can actually do to influence it.

I say this because a lot of people seem to be super optimistic about the future and his leadership, and that's great and I am too. But a lot of people seem to expect him to fix the dollar and lower the price of videogames, and that's not really something he (or anyone really to be honest) has much control over.

 

[Outrun]

one of these fucks is going to drag race up to 24 Sussex or something like they did for Anita??

oh god the image i'm getting is hilarious

They could try.....

RCMP would blow off some steam on them.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

There were people pushing GamerGate crap up here too. Especially after the CBC report on it. I just don't think your experience means it doesn't happen here too. I think you haven't hit it much, but I also know people who have. I don't believe that this keeps it from being a good example.

As for the bolded, that's ridiculous. GamerGate isn't a hot topic. It's fucking 2015. It's a hot topic for the nutjobs still involved with it. Anytime it's brought up outside that is to laugh at the nutjobs who are still pushing forward or to point out some atrocious new thing someone has done and it's always within message boards like this.

On top of that, you're talking about a statement made off camera to support a larger point. GamerGate wasn't the focus of his statement. It was an example. GamerGate is not big enough to get a fucking press release.

GamerGate is a hot topic that it got to the UN. How is it not an issue politics would talk about?

It's still a statement that focuses on game culture. Why not talk about feminism in corporate culture in general?

 

[Lime]

My question is does the Prime Minister know if sexism exists in Canadian game studios before making that statement? Because all of the gamergate controversy have been central around American women journalists.

Seriously, I work with and talk to developers and journalists over here in Europe, and I can certainly tell you that this shit isn't exclusive to the US.

 

[MutFox]

Trudeau ran his campaign on positivity and unification.
We need to stand up to these issues together.
We have to stop the us versus them mentality.

Divisiveness is just such an old way of thinking.

 

[Phocks]

this is getting silly

 

[marrec]

GamerGate is a hot topic that it got to the UN. How is it not an issue politics would talk about?

It's still a statement that focuses on game culture. Why not talk about feminism in corporate culture in general?

He was just using it as an example, I'm sure he's concerned about that too.

He can't be asked to build a definitive list of cultural issues off the cuff. :-/

 

[BocoDragon]

Please try it.

Those little shitholes had an easy time harassing individual women, but wait till they pick on someone with a security agency dedicated to protecting them.

 

[Diprosalic]

Guess who have something to say on this.

for some reason i mixed Dyack up with John Carmack in my head and was really dissapointed, then i remembered who Dyack was and everything made sense.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

They could try.....

RCMP would blow off some steam on them.

We should use the money saved from pulling the airforce out of the middle east to send the JTF2 to spook them.

 

[krae_man]

Dang. What they gonna do, release his address?

If someone tried to SWAT 24 Sussex drive, their own house would get swated:lol

 

[oneils]

GamerGate is a hot topic that it got to the UN. How is it not an issue politics would talk about?

It's still a statement that focuses on game culture. Why not talk about feminism in corporate culture in general?

You should read the whole article. The context was around misogyny in young men, hence the references to pop culture rather than corporate culture. There seems to have been a theme to the interview/debate.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Tangentially related: Jezebel? Jezebel.

 

[N° 2048]

Threatening the PM is not smart lol

 

[ROUGE_BLOCK]

DID I just hear our PM reference Gamersgate?

Woah, we officially live in a different time.

 

[Lime]

GamerGate on the other hand is something that never should have gotten the continues stream of bait that it got, nor the following stream of attention that has seemingly lasted for months now, and besides reporting genuine threats and harassment to the police that "movement" (of a relatively small group of twitter and chan trolls) should have been ignored and left to die. [...] If you ask me, people should stop talking about GamerGate as if they are important,

I know you don't intend any bad things with your post, but this is so infuriating to read. Yes, ignoring bad stuff will just make it go away all by itself.

 

[marrec]

Men really have it hard in the political world don't they

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Seriously, I work with and talk to developers and journalists over here in Europe, and I can certainly tell you that this shit isn't exclusive to the US.

Canada?

He was just using it as an example, I'm sure he's concerned about that too.

He can't be asked to build a definitive list of cultural issues off the cuff. :-/

You should read the whole article. The context was around misogyny in young men, hence the references to pop culture rather than corporate culture. There seems to have been a theme to the interview/debate.

Yeah, I'm starting to understand that the OT is making this smaller statement a bigger deal than it actually is with that thread title.

 

[Prax]

He seems "with it". lol

Probably watched Colbert and Stewart too.

 

[BY2K]

This guy just wrote his own arrest warrant.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

It was a bunch of guys harassing a game developer - a woman. They couched it as ethics in game journalism because she apparently had sex with some dude who wrote blurbs about games on a website. It was all bullshit. They sent death threats to her.

Then they started harassing (with death threats and threats of rape) anyone who critised them.

I may add one thing:

The name GamerGate was specifically coined by Adam Baldwin in a tweet specifically about Quinn's alleged sexual adventures.

There are basically four types of Gators:

1) The actual misogynistic scumbags running the operation, the kind that actually want women and minorities to die.
2) Gamers that are misogynistic but just do shit over the internet because they are too afraid to actually do shit in real life.
3) Younger gamers that have no fucking clue what they are talking about.
4) Gamers that are in GG simply because it has the word "Game" in it (Yes, these people exist)

 

[gdt]

Trudeau ran his campaign on positivity and unification.
We need to stand up to these issues together.
We have to stop the us versus them mentality.

Divisiveness is just such an old way of thinking.

So we should unite with gamergate against....misogyny?

 

[Firestorm]

GamerGate is a hot topic that it got to the UN. How is it not an issue politics would talk about?

It's still a statement that focuses on game culture. Why not talk about feminism in corporate culture in general?

My assumption was that was about online harassment against women. GamerGate is a movement about that, but doesn't encompass all harassment against women.

Please read the entire article. I don't understand what corporate culture has to do with this.

 

[marrec]

So we should unite with gamergate against....misogyny?

We should unite with Gamergate against ISIL obvs

 

[LordOfChaos]

Men really have it hard in the political world don't they

And that should determine whether we speak of them with respect or not, shouldn't it?

 

[marrec]

And that should determine whether we speak of them with respect or not, shouldn't it?

In as few words as possible.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Lime]

Canada?

Yes, Canada too.

 

[jholmes]

OK first of all he's the prime minister-designate.

Second of all this is apparently all you need to win GAF's vote so any aspiring politicans out there, just copy-paste this, I guess?

 

[gdt]

And that should determine whether we speak of them with respect or not, shouldn't it?

You are falsely equivocating and you know it.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

OK first of all he's the prime minister-designate.

Second of all this is apparently all you need to win GAF's vote so any aspiring politicans out there, just copy-paste this, I guess?

.... not sure if salty or just a nonsense post.

 

[kamineko]

So we should unite with gamergate against....misogyny?

The Prime Minister of Canada, GAF, and GamerGate will unite to form a giant robot known as.... Devastator

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

.... not sure if salty or just a nonsense post.

gotta argue semantics breh

 

[BY2K]

OK first of all he's the prime minister-designate.

Second of all this is apparently all you need to win GAF's vote so any aspiring politicans out there, just copy-paste this, I guess?

What? Trudeau is the Prime Minister, not a designate. What are you talking about?

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I wouldn't say GamerGate is 'important' in the sense that it's not really anywhere near as big now as it was during the September/October period last year and I still feel people making out it was the single biggest threat to the industry were overstating what was more just a period of really shitty publicity for it. I really do think your average mainstream gamer either has no clue GG exists or thought it was something that began and ended last year and has zero relevance to them whatsoever regardless. So in that sense I agree the movement was given more importance than it should've gotten.

Yet,when you have stuff like the bizarre Star Citizen drama from the past few months which only really even got reported by a pro-GG writier on because there was a GG push to do so as to appease fucking Derek Smart of all people, it's still an issue that however big or small keeps cropping up in weird ways to make their target's lives indirectly or directly miserable.

 

[marrec]

You are falsely equivocating and you know it.

Nah nah, conflating someone calling a dude fuckable to the history of misogyny laden throughout politics and political reporting is totally on the up and up.

It's exactly the same.

 

[scoobidoo112]

I hope you don't get any hate either, because it would be dumb to hate you for having a perfectly reasonable opinion.

It's misinformed however.

Gamergate is extremely important to the culture of video games and the internet as a whole. They're a highly organized and entrenched community of shit heads who represent a new way forward for this kind of fuckery. The abuse faced by those who've been targeted is very real, much more extreme and focused, and hasn't been propped up by anything but the development, production, and enthusiast video game community's lack of will toward vehemently denying everything it stands for.

I'm not saying that the consequences of their actions don't matter. Of course they do. Anyone who makes genuine threats to another person, online or offline, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, no doubt about that.

What I am saying however is that GamerGate should not be given a platform, by which their actions are highlighted and broadcasted, in the same way that school shooters should not be featured and named on TV. Threats should be taken care of through the police, communities should come together to prevent such harassment and then people should move on and work on building stronger, better communities where such hatred is not tolerated.

And again, I think that GamerGate represents nobody but themselves. Their goal is mostly to get attention and anger as many people as they can, and thus consistently having the same conversations about them serves no point but to give them attention. I can name many deeply entrenched communities, such as Nazi's, racists, and religious and political extremism, that are organized and annoying, but those groups also don't represent an entire culture or require a consistent conversation about them specifically. That doesn't mean you should ignore the problem, it just means you shouldn't broadcast their thoughts or ideas, or twitter and facebook handles. You can talk about racism, homophobia or extremism without giving people with names unneeded attention.

All I'm saying is, let's have that broader conversation that you mentioned. Let's stop posting screenshots full of twitter handles or chan threads, let's stop keeping them in the eye of the mainstream and instead let's shift towards an actual conversation, where GamerGate doesn't get to be mentioned and given attention or clicks. And again, let's also stop this notion that videogames = misogyny. That is not the way to start a conversation, that is a way to demonize an entire creative industry over some shitheads on chans and twitter.

 

[Lime]

Trudeau ran his campaign on positivity and unification.
We need to stand up to these issues together.
We have to stop the us versus them mentality.

Divisiveness is just such an old way of thinking.

It's pretty hard to feel united and reconciled with bigots. People who choose to still associate with this hate movement after over a year of blind rationalization of an obvious hate movement are lost causes like your racist grandpa or the fascist cousin. Their rhetoric is militant and toxic and it's like taking to a misogynistic version of illuminati-lizard-believing people - you're not getting anywhere with them because of the ad hoc rationalizations of their latent misogyny.

The only change can come from inside of these people - not outside.

 

[Mr.Mike]

What? Trudeau is the Prime Minister, not a designate. What are you talking about?

The Prime Minister is appointed by the Governor-General (who acts in place of the Queen), and Trudeau hasn't been appointed yet.

He is the Prime Minister designate because by tradition the leader of the party with the most seats in the House of Commons is appointed Prime Minister. (But the GG could, on paper, appoint literally anyone they wanted to).

 

[MutFox]

What? Trudeau is the Prime Minister, not a designate. What are you talking about?

It's cause he'll be sworn in, in a couple of weeks...
The title will be correct by that time.

 

[Minus_Me]

He's older than Harper was when he became Prime Minister.

PS. Maybe I should avoid mentioning Harper as much as possible and pretend those 10 years never happened

Harper was 46.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Government should stay out of such things. Not their job.

"Governments should stay out of domestic terrorism. Not their job."

 

[Sai-kun]

fucking lol, thank you. i was too lazy to do this

 

[Jeevesmeister]

Well now we know why Trudeau pulled Canada's jets out of Syria and Iraq...

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Men really have it hard in the political world don't they

Respect to a political leader? Guess this only applies to female politicians. Saw this stuff the day Obama was elected, maybe not from Jezebel though. Pretty gross.

Nice.jpg

Congratz Canada, good job on outing that other conservative idiot! Please also don't forget to vote next election plz. Kthxbai.

 

[scoobidoo112]

I know you don't intend any bad things with your post, but this is so infuriating to read. Yes, ignoring bad stuff will just make it go away all by itself.

I never said to ignore the issue. There are important conversations and debates, in society and in politics, that we need to have. But it can be done without giving this group a platform to spew hatred from, garner attention all the time and stay relevant. Please not the difference.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

OK first of all he's the prime minister-designate.

Second of all this is apparently all you need to win GAF's vote so any aspiring politicans out there, just copy-paste this, I guess?

First of all, you're right.
Second of all, no one here voted for him because of this comment.

C'mon son.

 

[BY2K]

The Prime Minister is appointed by the Governor-General (who acts in place of the Queen), and Trudeau hasn't been appointed yet.

He is the Prime Minister designate because by tradition the leader of the party with the most seats in the House of Commons is appointed Prime Minister. (But the GG could, on paper, appoint literally anyone they wanted to).

It's cause he'll be sworn in, in a couple of weeks...
The title will be correct by that time.

Well it's just a technicality, then.

 

[BocoDragon]

I wouldn't say GamerGate is 'important' in the sense that it's not really anywhere near as big now as it was during the September/October period last year and I still feel people making out it was the single biggest threat to the industry were overstating what was more just a period of really shitty publicity for it. I really do think your average mainstream gamer either has no clue GG exists or thought it was something that began and ended last year and has zero relevance to them whatsoever regardless. So in that sense I agree the movement was given more importance than it should've gotten.

Yet,when you have stuff like the bizarre Star Citizen drama from the past few months which only really even got reported by a pro-GG writier on because there was a GG push to do so as to appease fucking Derek Smart of all people, it's still an issue that however big or small keeps cropping up in weird ways to make their target's lives indirectly or directly miserable.

GG is still affecting people's lives over a year later, so acting like it's over doesn't help these people.

Anyway, GG is really just a touchstone for talking about the larger issue of online harassment, and particularly towards women, which is something that certainly is not over and is endemic.

 

[Mr.Mike]

Harper was 46.

Hmm, I remember reading somewhere that when Trudeau takes office he would be older the Harper was when he took office. I guess they didn't expect Trudeau to win his first election.