Shogmaster
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Hey I kinda like those. Much more sure fit than the round plugs.
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Hey I kinda like those. Much more sure fit than the round plugs.
There still seems to be a hefty delay on the stylus. Is that also present with regular note-taking?
AtomskEater
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Cool beans, I was looking into the 460 but saw it wasn't launching until next year in NA.
Not the highest spec one, but it looks like it performs well in your video and TBH I'm just going to use it for word processing, drawing, and playing games that shouldn't put much stress on it (visual novels, point-and-click adventures, indies).
Please keep the thread updated on any pros, cons, comments etc as you keep using it, Shogmaster.
Not the highest spec one, but it looks like it performs well in your video and TBH I'm just going to use it for word processing, drawing, and playing games that shouldn't put much stress on it (visual novels, point-and-click adventures, indies).
Please keep the thread updated on any pros, cons, comments etc as you keep using it, Shogmaster.
Shogmaster
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There is hefty delay only on Photoshop. Clip Studio Paint has delay only with gigantic brushes.
With something trivial as note taking you will not see any delay.
No I was using it flat on the desk. Camera has hell of fish eye going on though.
Cool beans, I was looking into the 460 but saw it wasn't launching until next year in NA.
Not the highest spec one, but it looks like it performs well in your video and TBH I'm just going to use it for word processing, drawing, and playing games that shouldn't put much stress on it (visual novels, point-and-click adventures, indies).
Please keep the thread updated on any pros, cons, comments etc as you keep using it, Shogmaster.
Will do.
Dreams-Visions
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AtomskEater
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The Yoga 460 will have that option, but they're only launching in "select territories" this year and NA in January.
http://news.lenovo.com/images/20034/ThinkPad Yoga 460 Spec Sheet.pdf
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Most of those "positives" are just compromises you have to deal with. Surface book is much nicer than this.
AtomskEater
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Various tech websites like http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/02/lenovo-thinkpad-yoga-260-460/
Since they specify NA I'd hope it includes Canada as well, but I'm not too savvy on how Lenovo operates.
Shogmaster
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Surface Book for me is bunch of compromises.
You need to buy depending on YOUR needs, not what Verge deems as worthy. I need a full Wintab support for all art apps. I need a pen driver that let's you map the damn buttons on the side. I need 2 side buttons on the pen, I need to get to 16GB of RAM without shelling out 3Gs. I need to get to inside for easy upgrading. None of these things are offered on Surface Book.
Yes SB is sexy as hell and well made, but for many, even if they can afford it (as I can, and need to write off much as I can before end of the year for tax reasons), it's still a compromise.
Buy based on your needs, not peer pressure from GAF.
I got the X230 tablet due to your previous thread a few years back for my art work and it continues to be a great laptop for my art/designing, so thank you for that thread and this one. I'm actually looking for an upgrade and was thinking about the Surface, but this seems like a great alternative also.
Damn I was just in Best Buy yesterday. Wish I saw this thread earlier.
Shog you devil dog... Starting in July I've had three different Surface Pro 3s. Finally kept the third one but just sold it to buy the SP4. The arrives today in the mail. Guess I'll have to just see if the SP4 is fine for me, but I definitely want to try this Lenovo out. The Wacom pen definitely intrigues me as the SP3 pen is too shaky for me when drawing slowly.
Got the m3 SP4 for $865 after tax. I have a 10% Best Buy mover's coupon and could get this Lenovo for ~$965. $100 more for twice the RAM, twice the storage, faster processor, and potentially better pen? My GF is going to think I'm crazy if I return the SP4...
does anyone of a link to this spyware nonsense? I somehow missed that.
Shog you devil dog... Starting in July I've had three different Surface Pro 3s. Finally kept the third one but just sold it to buy the SP4. The arrives today in the mail. Guess I'll have to just see if the SP4 is fine for me, but I definitely want to try this Lenovo out. The Wacom pen definitely intrigues me as the SP3 pen is too shaky for me when drawing slowly.
Got the m3 SP4 for $865 after tax. I have a 10% Best Buy mover's coupon and could get this Lenovo for ~$965. $100 more for twice the RAM, twice the storage, faster processor, and potentially better pen? My GF is going to think I'm crazy if I return the SP4...
does anyone of a link to this spyware nonsense? I somehow missed that.
Shogmaster
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The pack in pen is pretty damn tiny. I ordered a much bigger pen powered by AAAA battery from Lenovo. I'll do another video for you with that pen. I think you will need to order that pen if you go with this tablet. It was $40.
If i end up getting it i was 95% sure i'd end up getting that pen, hah. Id love to see it in action though, thanks man!
Shogmaster
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IMO, going from 1366x768 @12.5" of your X230 to 1920x1080 @ 14" of this Yoga is a better transition than 1366x768 @ 12.5" to 2700x1700 or whatever SP4 runs @ 12.3". UI of desktop apps is a huge issue with such resolutions. That's why I pulled the trigger on this version rather than wait for the 2560x1440 option version from Lenovo direct.
Haloid1177
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I don't have a link but the company I work for is looking to replace all Lenovo's we have as a result, with more than likely something Surface branded. Take that however you want.
I prefer the nub over the trackpad.
Mouse > Nipple/Nub/Clit/Pointing Stick > Trackpad
Our organization has been using them for 3 years (20,000 people). They are built like garbage compared to the Elitebooks we had from HP. Really flimsy. Their USB 3.0 docks are also complete garbage.
godofcookery
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Do you know what the srgb coverage is? and the contrast ratio?
Shogmaster
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If it's using the same panel as last year's model (probably is), it's 91% sRGB, and 71% Adobe RGB. 700:1 contrast ratio. 300 nits.
godofcookery
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awesome, thanks for the info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHCLNgd2GI0
Video comparison involving regular stylus versus big stylus, but hella long.
Video comparison involving regular stylus versus big stylus, but hella long.
The Albatross
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My mom needs a new laptop so I went to Lenovo's website like a month ago. This is laughably ridiculous:
I just closed the site and went to Microsoft.com instead.
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This is the main splash screen if you go to "Laptops" on Lenovo.com. Not like "view all models" or anything... Just Lenovo -> Laptops:
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/?menu-id=laptops
I think it's actually gotten worse... they've added more models.
I just closed the site and went to Microsoft.com instead.
*edit*
This is the main splash screen if you go to "Laptops" on Lenovo.com. Not like "view all models" or anything... Just Lenovo -> Laptops:
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/?menu-id=laptops
I think it's actually gotten worse... they've added more models.
Oh no... choice!
Tell any normal person to try and figure out the differences between those. That's a nightmare.
Jazzy Network
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Should just be more like Apple. Just have 1 model shoved down your throat.
Apple has three different notebook models, which I personally think is one too many.
The Albatross
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Yes, this is crippling choice. It's counter-productive to selling things. ALmost all of those look mostly identical and some have almost identical descriptions.
Flex series: Affordable, All-purpose 2-1s.
Edge Series: Affordable, All purpose 2-1s.
U Series: Class pacing mobility
S Series: Incredibly compact ultra portable
G series: Affordable laptops for every day
100 Series: Affordable personal laptops
Can you tell me what the difference in those laptops is, either from the description or the photos? MOst have roughly similar prices. If you go into each model, each model usually has 3 or 4 variants... all at varrying prices. I happen to know something about Lenovo's and know that the X1 Carbon is their featured model, but after looking at every one of those, I couldn't find the X1 Carbon. Even when I realized the X1 Carbon was part of the ThinkPad X line (didn't know it was a ThinkPad...), clicking into that screen brings up the X1 Carbon and the X250 which are very different computers, barely the same line.
As a web developer, this is a nightmare page, and it's a splash page. Their website is horrible unusable garbage.
The Albatross
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This has never actually been true, and is especially not true today. Apple has traditionally had 3 clear laptop lines, MacBook (general use), MacBook Air (focused on mobility), and MacBook Pro (focused on professionals), although they've muddled it slightly with the new MacBook. But, yes, Apple is the best in industry example on how to sell laptops. It's one of the reasons why Apple is traded at $120/share and Lenovo is $7/share, with a net income decline of some 50% year-over-year.
HEll, I'm not even a 'normal' person.. I'm a tech person who uses Lenovo PCs at work. I had a rough idea of what I was looking for... the X1 Carbon, but when looking at other models, I just had absolutely no idea what was a new model from 2015 and what was some old junk. The variety of prices, inconsistent descriptions, and all else, just made no sense. Even when clicking into a series, you get laptops that look different, with different descriptions, and inconsistent prices...
(Unpictured, another T series laptop at the bottom of this page at another random price).
There is no rhyme or reason to the numbering or lettering. You'd think... Left to right, Less expensive on left, more expensive on right. But, nope. Then you'd think, oh, higher numbers mean more expensive better models? Nope. Oh, maybe the P models are better than the non-P models. Nope. Maybe the S model is the best? I guess...?
Jazzy Network
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I'm sorry, but Apple having higher stocks than Lenovo is not because of this reason. Please stop.
The Albatross
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Let's see who had the more accurate post:
Jazzy Network: Apple only sells 1 model of laptop (Factually, universally incorrect)
Me: One of the reasons Apple's stock is high is because they have best-in-industry sales platform strategies (Undeniably true)
That's fine if you find their branding confusing or layout unorganized; I was more just replying to the fact that you would jump entire brands because of it, since I find that baffling. If Lenovo is what you want, then you'd do some research and find what you want (just using the search functionality on the left would probably help you out). Browsing based on image / description is a foreign idea to me, most people I've known or seen either ask an 'expert', read reviews, compare and contrast specs or go with that thing they heard about on TV/wherever.
Too much choice overtaxes our cognitive capacity to process information... and also leaves us feeling our choice investment (i.e. the time and emotion that we invest into considering different choices) too diffuse, such that when we make a choice, we've only spent a small fraction of the overall choice time on the specific choice we made - leaving us to feel less emotionally connected to the choice made and more emotionally connected to the choices not made.
Which is to say, it's dumb from a business point of view and a customer choice point of view.
If you must have choices, use a hierarchy tree.
e.g. Do you want A or B? (Surface Book or Surface Pro)
A.
Ok, do you want AA or AB? (i5 or i7)
AA.
Ok. Do you want AAA or AAB? (with dGPU or without?)
AAA
Ok, here's your Surface Book i5 with dGPU.
The Albatross
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In the PC market especially, having clear branding helps. I'm not married to Lenovo as a brand, these days they're unfortunately just another cheap Chinese PC manufacturer as their quality, reliability, and brand image has definitely faltered in the last year or two. Having experienced Lenovo's at work and knowing they bought IBM's consumer PC brand some years ago, I was turning to them first, but was going to line them up against the new Dell XPS models and also whatever HP and the others were selling.
But yeah, more or less just railing against their horrible website layout and how counter-intuitive it is to wanting to buy something. They show like ~30 models of computers, all with very similar descriptions to one another, and then even clicking into the models you get 4 or 5 in each category that are very confusingly named, priced, and described.
Lenovo's website is terrible, though. Doesn't necessarily say anything bad about their computers, although lately their reputation has taken a hit... And almost all of the news around Lenovo has been poor lately, with 50% losses in the quarter, 5% layoffs, year-over-year decline in their only profitable area (PC sales), etc., etc. A clear sales strategy would probably help on the consumer side.
Jazzy Network
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You have proof that's one of the reasons their stock is up yeah?
The Albatross
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No, you're right, there's more proof that Apple only sells 1 model of laptop than that their widely considered best-in-industry platform lineup helps their bottom line. Good point.
(but just to be clear, I wasn't even bringing up Apple... you did. I was saying that Lenovo's horrible website stands apart from itself in probably being a business case on how not to make a website)
Shogmaster
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I'm actually about to recommend iPad Pro to one of my designer coworkers who is now pushing 60.
He came to me to recommend him "one of those tablets you use" and I made sure he meant Windows tablet. He said yes, but knowing him I think it's a huge mistake. He can't do as much with the iPad Pro, but I know at least he'll be happy in that limited world.
Jazzy Network
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No, you're right, there's more proof that Apple only sells 1 model of laptop than that their widely considered best-in-industry platform lineup helps their bottom line. Good point.
(but just to be clear, I wasn't even bringing up Apple... you did. I was saying that Lenovo's horrible website stands apart from itself in probably being a business case on how not to make a website)
Cool so we can agree your post wasn't fact. Great!
Shogmaster
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I have to agree about Lenovo's horrible terribly confusing website. Also doesn't help that there are literally several dozen Yoga models available. Even I have tough time remembering which ones have pen and what kind of pens they have.
It is pretty much a clusterfuck, but they like to confuse their consumers into purchase rather than give them a clear easy choice.
It is pretty much a clusterfuck, but they like to confuse their consumers into purchase rather than give them a clear easy choice.
The Albatross
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I don't even know why I'm feeding you, but if you ever want to grow up from being more than an internet troll (which, you probably shouldn't, it's likely the thing that you're best at), I would encourage you to Google things like "Apple product line strategy" and "Apple product marketing strategy," and you can read many business cases about why Apple's product line and product marketing strategies are considered best-in-industry. Now, admittedly, no business analyst would say "This is the lone reason why Apple is successful" (which isn't what I said either), but also, nearly every business analyst would agree that Apple's clear, simple product line and product marketing strategy has contributed to their success and growth over the last 10 years.
But, I suppose if you're willing to sign up for the Defenseforce of "Lenovo's Product Listing Webpage," then, well, that's probably a bit too much for you to grasp. Keep on believing that Apple only has 1 computer model, probably makes for a more comfortable world.
(edit: Just so any people casually observing read this, I'm not suggesting that anybody buy an Apple computer over a Lenovo computer, but I said that Lenovo's website is terrible -- which it is -- and Jazzy Network got upset and defended their website layout. FWIW, I think Lenovo and Apple both make fine computers)
Jazzy Network
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So don't go posting things like "Oh yea mine was a fact yours isn't" when there are no facts and spouting shit like stock prices when no one cares. Maybe then I can take you a bit seriously.
FYI I don't give a shit about Lenovo and never owned any of their products. I'm well aware how Apple makes their money.
The Albatross
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Ok.. so just so I can be clear, for my own memory because it's weak...
You believe that Apple only sells 1 model of laptop, and that their product platform strategy does not benefit their bottom line? That's the hill you're dying on?
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