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[BlastProcessing]

Devs control everything in their game and if they didn't think this animation fit with R. Mika's character then it would be removed and replaced.

Why is it still there but just hidden? It's obvious that this is self censorship.

Saying that things change during game development and that that's all this is is disingenuous. When's the last time you played a game where a dev thought a level wasn't all that good but still had you play it but just kinda moved the camera way so you couldn't see everything?

Do you have any idea how many things get cut from a game (for whatever reason) and are left in? Actually taking things out is a bitch, you usually just hide it in one way or another, especially in a beta build. The last game I made has a few instances of exactly what you describe. Sometimes extracting something from the code isn't worth it. It's just another way to introduce bugs and we already have enough of those to squash.

Here, things are reliant on timing with the animation. They might just leave it as is. They might get around to making a new animation. They might replace it with something that you think is way better. Who knows? It's not obviously censorship because nothing is obvious.

 

[luckyboyceo]

Don't you idiots have anything better to do on a Saturday night than argue over a video game butt slap?

 

[Exodust]

That's the craziest thing about this whole thing, I'm not even an ass guy.


Look you can keep calling me a pervert or sexual deviant all you want, I just still think it's an unnecessary cut, sorry.

Not trying to call you a pervert or a deviant, whatever someone gets off to is their business. What I am saying is fanservice is mostly there for, well, sexual arousal. So I don't see why you'd be so against taking it out if it doesn't appeal to you anyway. Why choose this hill to die on?

 

[Vex_]

stopping by the apt during a sat night bar run:

1) if you're 14 pages of concerned about r mikas digital butt on a saturday night while being single - you need to reprioritize your life ASAP

2) you can tell who here jerks off to video games and who here actually plays Street Fighter: shorter supers = better game. anyone who wants a longer CA prolly wont even buy the game or play it 1 month after launch lol

bonus protip: look up the word 'censorship' before using it

Wait wait wait..... Wtf??? What are YOU doing here then? Don't give me that " I'm just stopping by" lmaoo. Look at this guy XD You seriously came into the thread, went to the latest page, and posted a two part reply? Da fuq?

Please lmao. Ay yo hold Dis L right quick. Matter fact, take Dis L to the bar with you.

 

[Puruzi]

Don't you idiots have anything better to do on a Saturday night than argue over a video game butt slap?

And yet here you are.

 

[EatinOlives]

I mean do you guys really feel like grammar policing over that has some intrinsic value? The only even semi-valid thing I saw is that it undermines the importance of the word, but it's certainly not a misuse common to gaming forums at all, so I feel that falls a little flat. It just seems more like a meme for people to throw back and forth at this point.

It's not grammar policing, it's debating the validity of the intentional misuse of a loaded word. "Censorship" is a word rooted in undertones of injustice, and as I mentioned in another post almost always implies that the "censored" party (in this case Capcom) was influenced to change by an external force, all but ignoring what it most likely is, a change willingly made by Capcom because they wanted to. But one can't make arguments about "artistic integrity" without first pretending that the change was made against the wishes of Capcom, so the term starts to get thrown around.

It's simply silly to call such minor changes "censorship" when the game isn't even out and Capcom's still actively working on the game. But it's easier to paint it as an artistic injustice when really people just want crotch shots and ass slapping. Let's not pretend this is a bigger deal just to validate the argument.

 

[FyreWulff]

Dunno why this keeps getting repeated. So, I'll repeat no one suggested we go wrest control of Capcom for our own or file an injunction so we obviously know they have the right to do whatever they want with the game, we have the right to disagree with that decision.

If developers stopped and let everyone wring their hands over every little change while development was in progress, we'd be seeing SFV come out 10 years from now.

 

[bryt]

I rather Capcom censor the boobs instead of the booty

 

[CoyoteSpitfire]

Don't you idiots have anything better to do on a Saturday night than argue over a video game butt slap?

Don't you have anything better to do on a Saturday night than come into threads and contribute nothing?

Are you asking me how many people are creepsters on GAF hiding behind insistence of artistic purity?

Because it seems like there's a ton.

No, I'm asking you how many sales you think Capcom has gained by making this change. Because I think the number is roughly 0. Thus, this change was pointless.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

How many people do you honestly think were refusing to buy this game just because of Mika's super?

Are you asking me how many people are creepsters on GAF hiding behind insistence of artistic purity?

Because it seems like there's a ton.

 

[Akibared]

That's the spirit! Now go young Butt Slap Lover and earn your waifu's precious Butt Slap Love!

I know it's going to be locked when I wake up but this has turned into a really fun thread!

 

[Vex_]

Don't you idiots have anything better to do on a Saturday night than argue over a video game butt slap?

Here we go again lmmaaooooooooo this guy. Why are you here? Lol.

 

[ramoisdead]

I'll miss the ass slapping but it's Capcom's decision. I still think it suits R. Mika's character but heck, who am I to say what's best for SF5?

 

[PKrockin]

Don't you idiots have anything better to do on a Saturday night than argue over a video game butt slap?

First post on gaming side in more than a month and it's this? Go back to the drunk thread on a video game forum.

 

[Vex_]

First post on gaming side in more than a month and it's this? Go back to the drunk thread.

Oh??? He's an alcoholic?? This explains a lot if true.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Well that's not what I'm saying. I just can't tell if you're using self-censorship here in a sarcastic way or if you believe it's something that actually can't happen. It just seems like you'd suggest any self censorship is just some acceptable part of a creative process, like removing a gay couple from a show to get it to test better in the mid west.

I am not being sarcastic. An inherent part of the creative process is destructive. That's how it works. Removing an element, (even a good one!) is not automatically bad. It's all about how it fits into the larger context.

Making a game is a series of decisions. There can be good decisions and bad ones. When you are inside it, it honestly gets hard to even have any perspective. Removing a gay couple might be a bad call, but removing a lovable racist couple might be a good call.

If you piled up all the things that actually end up in my games next to all the things that have been removed. The removed pile is easily 10 times bigger.

 

[Sorcerer Supreme]

First post on gaming side in more than a month and it's this? Go back to the drunk thread on a video game forum.

haha hholy shit this thread is great

 

[Dryk]

Normally we don't see many of the changes but with how SFV is being made, we are and thus in a sense are apart of the process...and some don't agree with the changes and are complaining about it. Its Capcom's game so they can do whatever they want with it...but people still can voice their opinions in hopes of being heard. More so since it apparently has an effect now.

People are able to voice their preference at the original camera angle without turning into... this thread. At least I'd like to believe they are.

 

[jetsetnickradio]

I know it's going to be locked when I wake up but this has turned into a really fun thread!

Indeed! Later today when my coworkers ask me why I'm so tired I will simply mutter the words "Butt Slap Love" and there's absolutely no possible way that they will misconstrue that.

 

[Vex_]

haha hholy shit this thread is great

This thread gonna get... Lalalala locked!!!!

 

[jasminlovesyoux]

Haven't read though the entire thread yet, but are some of you happy with the change? I'm actually cool with it. Not that the ass slap wss that raunchy, but it's not something I play Street Fighter for. I think it's a good change.

 

[muteki]

I'm not sure I understand how out of all the possible reasons behind a given change that the most likely is due to a change in opinion of the original designer, an intentional edit made in a vacuum with no outside involvement. Couldn't possibly be a team decision, or the result of an internal review, feedback from outside the design team.

We may never know (assuming this isn't just some glitch). But to think that the reason absolutely can't be "censorship" is ignoring many possibilities that would be.

 

[NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom]

Don't you idiots have anything better to do on a Saturday night than argue over a video game butt slap?

Guess I could be the guy trying to claim superiority over such losers, that'd be really pathetic.

Not trying to call you a pervert or a deviant, whatever someone gets off to is their business. What I am saying is fanservice is mostly there for, well, sexual arousal. So I don't see why you'd be so against taking it out if it doesn't appeal to you anyway. Why choose this hill to die on?

I don't mind things being servicey and they're not incredibly servicey to begin with. Yeah the point of fan service is to be like "hey these characters are sexy" but that incorporates a wide range of things and I think lumping Mika slapping her ass with lingering Strike Witches crotch shots is maybe missing the point a little. There is fun fan service that is just a little way of emphasizing a character being sexy (like the outfits or anything like that) and then there is gratuitous fan service that borders on explicit. I just don't have that much of a problem with the former. I guess if that makes any sense.

If developers stopped and let everyone wring their hands over every little change while development was in progress, we'd be seeing SFV come out 10 years from now.

Well and they're not doing that are they? Honestly, don't use this slippery slope stuff when you're arguing against people using the same slippery slope stuff. The worst part is that this might potentially apply to the reasons they made these changes in the first place, based on player feedback. Obviously you wouldn't have a problem with that.

 

[PK Gaming]

Don't like it

Her C.A lost a lot of the cheeky charm it originally had

 

[IAmRandom31]

No worries Capcom will unleash the " buttslap " cheat code upon release.

 

[Vex_]

Don't like it

Her C.A lost a lot of the cheeky charm it originally had

Simple, and to the point. I like it.

Spoiler

Your post I mean.

 

[Eidan]

Ass slap won't be terribly missed.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Don't you idiots have anything better to do on a Saturday night than argue over a video game butt slap?

it's a sunday afternoon here and no i don't

 

[Kissenkopf]

Who cares. Lol. You guys are really funny. XD

No the game will be rated T in the US instead of M. You all know thats the reason. ;P

 

[Dryk]

Haven't read though the entire thread yet, but are some of you happy with the change? I'm actually cool with it. Not that the ass slap wss that raunchy, but it's not something I play Street Fighter for. I think it's a good change.

I'm pretty neutral towards it, I think it fits with the general aesthetic and tone they're going for for Mika and there's a long list of things I'd rather they change before that super but I don't think it's worth getting worked up over.

 

[Shadownade]

I see it now.

Street Fighter V: Day-One Edition

Including the fan-favourite "R.Mika Extended Critical Art"!

$6.99 otherwise on PSN/Steam.

 

[BobbyRobby]

Why not have a toggle for stuff like this?

I wonder if that would satisfy people. I am not sure if those opposed to the ass slap want to shield themselves or shield others from the ass slap because they think it causes social harm.

 

[kurahador]

No the game will be rated T in the US instead of M. You all know thats the reason. ;P

This game is T in the US.

http://i.imgur.com/iu0wwb3.gif

 

[Akibared]

Indeed! Later today when my coworkers ask me why I'm so tired I will simply mutter the words "Butt Slap Love" and there's absolutely no possible way that they will misconstrue that.

I have to be up in 4 hours Butt Slap Love will be the perfect excuse for being a zombie at work!

 

[NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom]

Why not have a toggle for stuff like this?

Toggle every character to slap their ass before their Super you mean?

 

[Shadownade]

This game is T in the US.

http://i.imgur.com/iu0wwb3.gif

Street Fighter V is M [OFLC] here for and I quote EB Games Australia's page

"Violence, Sex, Online Interactivity"

 

[Zolo]

"Online Interactivity"

So would this automatically get a game an 'M' rating for language?

 

[Akibared]

Toggle every character to slap their ass before their Super you mean?

Holy shit I hope someone makes a PC mod of that!

 

[sleepykyo]

Seems like such an arbitrary change. Between camy's thong and look at my ass win pose, Laura's thong, Mika's thong and death by sny snu critical art, and super jiggle physics the thing that went over the line was the ass smack?

Don't worry, the thongs will be the next thing to go in SF6.

 

[Palculator]

So would this automatically get a game an 'M' rating for language?

"Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB"

 

[Korigama]

The gist of it is that Lab Zero felt that Fillia and Cerebella, two characters that were created early in the stages of Skullgirls, had frames of their sprite work that flashed their panties for no other reason but for the sake of it. They felt that their vision for the game changed long after those characters were finalized and decided to change it a couple of months ago.

What I meant was, if there were changes to specific frames, I neither noticed it nor heard anything about it until now (I understood what was stated to be the point of contention).

 

[Huggers]

Add the ass slap as DLC? Day one

Seriously though, kinda pointless censoring it out, not sure I see where the harm is. We run around mowing people down with machine guns in Call of Duty or indeed beating the shit out of each other in Street Fighter but an ass slap? Over the line!!

 

[SenorArdilla]

Street Fighter V is M [OFLC] here for and I quote EB Games Australia's page

"Violence, Sex, Online Interactivity"

Doesn't the rating system in Australia go way overboard in comparison to the rest of the world?

 

[Shadownade]

Doesn't the rating system in Australia go way overboard in comparison to the rest of the world?

I believe it's an error on their part. Perhaps they were trying to go with 'Sexual References', which I totally get. But now we're one sexual reference short...

 

[Teran]

The butt slap was reminiscent of Rikishi slapping that ass before he did his ass attacks.

Idk, I thought it actually had personality but oh well as long as they don't take out the stone cold stunner I'll be okay.

 

[NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom]

Removing a gay couple might be a bad call, but removing a lovable racist couple might be a good call.

Yeah, sure but those decisions being obviously political are self-censorship so when you go "well every frame adjustment could be called self-censorship" it's inherently disingenuous because you're not breaking along political lines. Certainly we don't know the exact reason this was changed but it's not really out of the realm of possibility to call it self censorship especially if the ESRB was involved. After all what would you call what was done with Manhunt 2?

I guess that's the jist of what bugged me with the whole "it's all self-censorship, maaaaaaaaaaaan" response. We're not really dealing with anything insidious or important but it doesn't necessarily do anyone a favor to try to act like self-censorship is some aspect of the creative process just to win an internet argument, anymore than misusing 'censorship' does anyone any good.

 

[FyreWulff]

Lab Zero is always crying about how they don't have any money but then they go and waste all this time and effort redrawing all these frames of animation for what?

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3rk1x9/were_lab_zero_games_makers_of_skullgirls_ama/cwoxn2k

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3rk1x9/were_lab_zero_games_makers_of_skullgirls_ama/cwozl0m

The changes were made at the same time as a bunch of other animation changes. They didn't specifically come back and change just those frames.

 

[Vex_]

I have to be up in 4 hours Butt Slap Love will be the perfect excuse for being a zombie at work!

I'm at "work" right now... "Working". Lol so I'm good. 4 hours left.

 

[EvoTech]

It sucks since her character is an over-the-top wrestler. Removing this feature blows big.

I'm still going to buy it though.

 

[K.Sabot]

oh you know

just being a t rated game over here