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There would be no benefit for Capcom to say anything on it. In the scheme of things it's such a minor detail.
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R.Mika's Critical Art is censored in the latest build of SF5
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This also didn't really get removed, they just moved the camera so you couldn't see it.
The "this is what game devs do" argument doesn't really apply here since the animation is still there.
Cheer up! It's getting an english release in Asia! You can always import!
MOVE OVER MIKA YOU'VE BEEN REPLACED
jetsetnickradio
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That's the spirit! Now go young Butt Slap Lover and earn your waifu's precious Butt Slap Love!
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
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Yeah I just misread and thought you were talking about the majority of the thread when you were talking about people calling it 'censorship' which I guess at some point morphed into people who expressed anger. I was more talking about the thread as a whole thread but ended up making it seem like I was just referring to the subset of people who used the word conspiracy. In the end I think there's a big variance between not caring and being made and I think a lot of the people who dislike the change are closer to not caring than people are giving them credit for.
EDIT: Sorry I forgot to write sorry.
If Capcom somehow actually responded and said "The pose caused an issue with clothing/clipping/physics and it was easier to change the pose" or even just "We like the new camera angle better" would the people outraged about this believe them?
BlastProcessing
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We should all pack it up. We can use our newfound free time to build a giant monument to Roger Ebert that says "Ebert was right"
Everyone is just theorycrafting and guessing right now. I can't think of any other reason why they would suddenly want it out, so that's my guess. I'll continue to think that until we get a statement from capcom.
stopping by the apt during a sat night bar run:
1) if you're 14 pages of concerned about r mikas digital butt on a saturday night while being single - you need to reprioritize your life ASAP
2) you can tell who here jerks off to video games and who here actually plays Street Fighter: shorter supers = better game. anyone who wants a longer CA prolly wont even buy the game or play it 1 month after launch lol
bonus protip: look up the word 'censorship' before using it
1) if you're 14 pages of concerned about r mikas digital butt on a saturday night while being single - you need to reprioritize your life ASAP
2) you can tell who here jerks off to video games and who here actually plays Street Fighter: shorter supers = better game. anyone who wants a longer CA prolly wont even buy the game or play it 1 month after launch lol
bonus protip: look up the word 'censorship' before using it
BlastProcessing
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I don't understand. Devs don't control the camera?
CoyoteSpitfire
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Yes, and the only fact we have at this moment is that Mika's super was changed in a very haphazard way around the same time the game was rated by ESRB. Anything beyond that, on either side of this discussion, is guesswork.
I agree. If this really was a change in their vision for the game, she would have gotten a different animation.
The CA isn't any shorter. It's the same animation. The camera is just adjusted. As for the bolded part, a lot people on both sides of this argument could benefit from that.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
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So self-censorship isn't even a thing? It's all just the creative method? I think now we're getting to a point where we're undermining words.
jetsetnickradio
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I can't believe it took this long for someone to post DOA gifs. Better late than never, though.
Also, how the hell is this thread still unlocked? :0
Nope. Because, let's be honest, it would be BS.
As is, it is minor enough that they can just ignore it and in a week or so people will have moved on (with the occasional grumble here and there).
That being said, just reverting it would probably be a good move.
These kinds of posts aren't necessary, and the super isn't any shorter.
PfantzyPantz
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They'd all say that Capcom was lying, there is no way out of their waifu world.
Man, winning by timer scam is just as legit as any other win.
Spring-Loaded
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So long as people are still getting smothered to submission by butts, then we'll be fine.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
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woah man epic bro high five
Nvm...they obscured it.
MHWilliams
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Yeah, it just seems like we entered into this back-and-forth with some misunderstandings and there was a bit of drift as well. It can happen. I wasn't trying to get your dander up or anger you. I apologize if that happened.
Some dislike the change. That's cool. I'm down with that, as I believe people should make their voices heard. Like so:
1. I don't believe they changed it because of complaints. I don't recall almost any complaints about this in particular.
2. If they did change it because of complaints, people have the right to complain, and they have the right to change it.
My guess is that it is more likely related to ratings, or to the image they felt the game was projecting, rather than complaints about the butt slap. Like they went after this, even though it is pointless to do so, because it is easier than making a substantial change to the design.
Having said that, people have the right to complain about this apparent change too, and I'm going to. It is misguided. I have problems with Mika's outfit and the CA itself, but I had no problem with the butt slap. If anything, the slap was necessary to put the rest into proper context. Without it, and especially by seeming to censor it, the tenuous value of the rest of the design is made to seem more, rather than less, exploitative. The slap is effective at expressing personality... the extremity of the revealing outfit, by itself, is not imo. If you "censor" the slap, why have that outfit? And if the slap is vulgar (which I wouldn't have thought before), doesn't the outfit have to be as well?
Some are joking about it, while also wanting it changed back. That rocks too. I was referring to those who seem legitimately angry at these changes.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
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Hey but if they just keep repeating it then it's as good as it being true right?
Then how come it was done to "not offend" people? It was in order to keep a rating. And if it was because of the ESRB indeed, then it's definitely not coming back.
BlastProcessing
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You seem quite certain for theory crafting. I doubt we ever get a statement from Capcom and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Camera moves back to show more of the slap. This is all in flux. People are ascribing malice to something that could be a simple camera bug.
My main point is that the people actually working on the game are going to make the best version of the game that they can make. People who have a problem with this or anything else, will have plenty of time to decide whether or not they want to buy the game when it's in its shipping state.
It's funny because now the double ass smother is the entirety of the finisher. They're no longer kinniku buster'ing the opponent into the ground.
to the people going "the game changes a lot when its being made", I think most people get that.
Normally we don't see many of the changes but with how SFV is being made, we are and thus in a sense are apart of the process...and some don't agree with the changes and are complaining about it. Its Capcom's game so they can do whatever they want with it...but people still can voice their opinions in hopes of being heard. More so since it apparently has an effect now.
Normally we don't see many of the changes but with how SFV is being made, we are and thus in a sense are apart of the process...and some don't agree with the changes and are complaining about it. Its Capcom's game so they can do whatever they want with it...but people still can voice their opinions in hopes of being heard. More so since it apparently has an effect now.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
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Yeah I'm sorry too, I edited that in and I really do mean it. I think the real issue with these things is that they fall into a divisive back and forth that just ends up with people screaming at one another over nothing, as I was previously doing.
Mighty fine way to describe popping a boner.
It's just a butt slap, Mika will be Mika regardless. It's just funny that people who don't even play Street Fighter, haven't cared about it before, probably didn't know who Mika was till she had a reveal trailer with butts and boobs all over are coming in to voice their displeasure of censorship. And how a few small frames of butt being removed is detrimental to her character.
Please, it doesn't matter. Fanservice doesn't matter at all whether it's there or not. Getting up in arms over it getting cut shows strange priorities.
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CoyoteSpitfire
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SolidSnakex
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If this had anything to do with the ESRB, then it's a bigger mess than anyone thought. You've got games like Uncharted where you can brutally murder characters from either shooting them in the head or just snapping their necks and it gets a T rating, but a butt slap can up a goofy fighting game to a M?
jetsetnickradio
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Why would you want the Super to be shorter when it takes the whole goddamn match to fill it up? I want long Super animations for my hard work of not dying immediately and somehow managing to actually connect said Super in the first place! Like, I want my Supers to be 24 minute episodes of anime long. "You win the match because your opponent exited the lobby because they didn't want to watch your entire Super" long. How else am I going to get all those trophies for winning online matches?
Devs control everything in their game and if they didn't think this animation fit with R. Mika's character then it would be removed and replaced.
Why is it still there but just hidden? It's obvious that this is self censorship.
Saying that things change during game development and that that's all this is is disingenuous. When's the last time you played a game where a dev thought a level wasn't all that good but still had you play it but just kinda moved the camera way so you couldn't see everything?
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
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These ratings associations aren't really known for being consistent. What did Manhunt 2 do to go from AO to M, put a few filters over everything?
ShockingAlberto
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BlastProcessing
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You can call it self-censorship if you like, but it is a key part of any creative endeavor. Especially something as complex as game development. I really don't care what you call it. It feels like you are talking about a subject (game development) that you don't understand.
Everything in a game is intentional and it has to be there in consensus. The arguments inside a studio are where the good stuff happens. Almost all of my good ideas have come from me defending bad ideas. That's how it works. That's the process.
but how else would he be able to make himself feel better for telling us nerds how lame we are?
Long Supers suck. You might enjoy Castlevania Judgement
I swear those Supers were JRPG cut-scenes.Look dude, all i'm saying is that it's likely self censorship. If you don't agree, that's fine, but you ain't changing my mind on this. If it is a glitch, i'll be wrong, feel like an idiot for a little and then it'll be done. If i'm right, then i'm mildly annoyed, but i'll still get the game. That's it.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
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That's the craziest thing about this whole thing, I'm not even an ass guy.
Look you can keep calling me a pervert or sexual deviant all you want, I just still think it's an unnecessary cut, sorry.
Bungie cut marines being decapitated by Brutes in Halo 2. Their models still contain optional textures to show their neck being severed.
So while all the pieces were there, the content was adjusted to not show it.
Because when you are a developer, games change while being developed and it's your game, and your speech to make, not anyone else's.
jetsetnickradio
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CoyoteSpitfire
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How many people do you honestly think were refusing to buy this game just because of Mika's super?
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There's a serious lack of buttock slapping in games these days, Capcom not capitalizing here is a real tragedy.
I've not wittnessed R.Mikas buttslap myself with sound, only the gif in the op. It looked like a meaty and loud slap, which makes this tragedy all the worse. A good buttslap is a marriage of visuals and sound, it needs to be reminiscent of Indiana Jones disarming Nazis with his whip.
You have to be startled everytime it happens.
The perfect buttslap would simulate the tingling pain in the palm of your hand, but that's only for generations past ours to experience in VR with special gloves that burn your hand ever so slightly... no thanks to Capcom tho, a pioneer you are not, you could have been among the people on the mayflower here!
I've not wittnessed R.Mikas buttslap myself with sound, only the gif in the op. It looked like a meaty and loud slap, which makes this tragedy all the worse. A good buttslap is a marriage of visuals and sound, it needs to be reminiscent of Indiana Jones disarming Nazis with his whip.
You have to be startled everytime it happens.
The perfect buttslap would simulate the tingling pain in the palm of your hand, but that's only for generations past ours to experience in VR with special gloves that burn your hand ever so slightly... no thanks to Capcom tho, a pioneer you are not, you could have been among the people on the mayflower here!
MegamanPoweredUP
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I like booty as the next guy but imo this is for the best.
Mika was too sexualized. She looks like a porn star more than a wrestler. Street Fighter is about martial arts, not about sex.
It's ok to have a few sexy caracters (like Cammy) but Mika's ass slap was too much.
Now nerf Laura's boobs Capcom. A bjj grappler with big tits doesn't make any sense.
The last and only booby pro-fighter I know is Brye Ann Rusillo. She was forced in an upper class because of her tits and she's trying to make them to look smaller also.
Still Rusillo looks to be more a stiker than a bjj grappler.
Mika was too sexualized. She looks like a porn star more than a wrestler. Street Fighter is about martial arts, not about sex.
It's ok to have a few sexy caracters (like Cammy) but Mika's ass slap was too much.
Now nerf Laura's boobs Capcom. A bjj grappler with big tits doesn't make any sense.
The last and only booby pro-fighter I know is Brye Ann Rusillo. She was forced in an upper class because of her tits and she's trying to make them to look smaller also.
Still Rusillo looks to be more a stiker than a bjj grappler.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
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Well that's not what I'm saying. I just can't tell if you're using self-censorship here in a sarcastic way or if you believe it's something that actually can't happen. It just seems like you'd suggest any self censorship is just some acceptable part of a creative process, like removing a gay couple from a show to get it to test better in the mid west.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
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Dunno why this keeps getting repeated. So, I'll repeat no one suggested we go wrest control of Capcom for our own or file an injunction so we obviously know they have the right to do whatever they want with the game, we have the right to disagree with that decision.
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