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DICE decided to drop a server browser in favour of a new matchmaking system.

Fegraeus: The nature of the matchmaker that we have is to just ensure that people have a fair and even playground. That's the thing. We want all Star Wars fans to be able to play this game and have a good time, and in doing that, we want to make sure that whenever players jump in, they get matchmade to players of their own level, their own skill, so they can have fun and a fair playing field. That's a really important thing when it comes to the quality of experience for the wide audience of Star Wars fans out there.

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In my experience so far (44 matches, KD ratio of 0.75, win ratio: 36%): Matchmaking is terrible. In nearly every game there seem to be one-three players who are dominating the rest. Most of the time it’s not even close. And I am not talking about dominating me, they're dominating everybody else too.

And before people start to post:
Obviously it’ll be good for the more experienced shooter players out there.
Also please do not start with obvious ‘git good’ comments (or similar stuff). If you get better, you’ll have a much better time… that's obvious but not the question I am asking.This thread is about matchmaking experience and if it is reasonable for inexperienced players to pick it up.

Can shooter inexperienced players pick this up and have fair and well balanced games against other players, or are n00bs still doomed and just play cannon fodder for better ones?

And why did you buy a multiplayer shooter in the first place?
1.)Well, I believed in their PR about matchmaking and bought the game because of their promise I wouldn’t have to play against much better players.
2.)I love the setting and the graphics are very impressive.

Did you think about that maybe it's just you?
Yes, that is why I am asking about other peoples experience.

You're just really, really bad!
That's not a question. And yes.

 

[CryptiK]

Their skill based balancing didnt work in BF4 so no surprise it doesnt work with MM. Skill based match making above 10-12 players is something that will never work well IMO.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Well you can't see what level a person is in game, so it's hard to tell. As time goes on I'm seeing more and more people with the jump pack, T-21, and EE-3 but no one yet with the Cycler Rifle or Bowcaster.


As for people dominating, there will always be someone dominating. I don't think I've ever played a match of any online shooter where someone was not dominating.

 

[ISee]

Their skill based balancing didnt work in BF4 so no surprise it doesnt work with MM. Skill based match making above 10-12 players is something that will never work well IMO.

They had not working skilled based matchmaking in BF4? Wish I knew this before...

As for people dominating, there will always be someone dominating. I don't think I've ever played a match of any online shooter where someone was not dominating.

So never believe PR, I guess.

 

[CryptiK]

They had not working skilled based matchmaking in BF4? Wish I knew this before...

Skill based BALANCING. They released it a few patches ago. Basically you load into a server and picks a side for you based on "skill".

 

[jmaine_ph]

It worked for me. I'm level 9 and I was doing great but once I partied up with a level 23 friend of mind I started getting wrecked. Went back to playing by myself and I started doing great again.

 

[Nirolak]

While I wouldn't be surprised if their matchmaking didn't work, I'd expect it to take longer than three days to sort everyone into skill tiers correctly.

It can't just sense how good they are coming in the door. It has to collect data and build confidence intervals.

 

[Struct09]

I'm skeptical that it does quality matchmaking because the game finds matches faster than any other game I've ever played

 

[RoboPlato]

I'm skeptical that it does quality matchmaking because the game finds matches faster than any other game I've ever played

This is my stance as well.

For the record, I'm doing WAY better in this than pretty much any other MP game.

 

[5taquitos]

I'm skeptical that it does quality matchmaking because the game finds matches faster than any other game I've ever played

I don't really care if the matchups aren't perfect as long as I keep finding full games in just a few seconds. I haven't felt outclassed much yet, except for a few odd rounds here and there. The speed and ease of connecting to games is pretty impressive.

 

[Deckard Chapel]

Its weird - I've faced off against someone with the identical weapon load-out as I have and it's like they're instantly locking-on and scoring a head shot every time and my shots do nothing.

Also, this is when I'm shooting them from the back - yet, they have time enough to turn around while being repeatedly shot and in one or two shots - kill me, even though I was repeatedly shooting them first.

What's up with this? Why does it happen?

 

[Croatoan]

While I wouldn't be surprised if their matchmaking didn't work, I'd expect it to take longer than three days to sort everyone into skill tiers correctly.

It can't just sense how good they are coming in the door. It has to collect data and build confidence intervals.

this

 

[Ferrio]

Its weird - I've faced off against someone with the identical weapon load-out as I have and it's like they're instantly locking-on and scoring a head shot every time and my shots do nothing.

Also, this is when I'm shooting them from the back - yet, they have time enough to turn around while being repeatedly shot and in one or two shots - kill me, even though I was repeatedly shooting them first.

What's up with this? Why does it happen?

They're better.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

I've watched a few streams and the netcode seems very solid, is this the case for those that have played it?

 

[borghe]

Skill based BALANCING. They released it a few patches ago. Basically you load into a server and picks a side for you based on "skill".

lol.. so now I know it's the server screwing my team over, not me!!!!

 

[James93]

The skill matchmaking is a joke. I've seen so many games where one team is mostly double negative.

 

[Tak3n]

Also OP try to remember as well certain players spawn camp for the vehicles, on that planet with the laser turrets I went 210/30 and I am a .85 player usually, I saw one player today dominating so I looked for him, he did no helping he basically got boba fett and sat on a mountain just shooting away...

it is hard to tell really as it is not a level playing field

 

[ROUGE_BLOCK]

I found a guy the other day who was literally invincible. 6 people were shooting at him and he took absolutely no damage. I started shooting at him and health was not depleting. He just turned slightly and annihilated everyone, including me. I recorded it for good measure. Is there a power up that gives you crazy shields at higher levels, or was he hacking I will never know.

SWBF ON the xb1 btw.

 

[pelican]

Don't think so.

My KD ratio is currently 2.4. I'm wondering if the game is attracting non fps players as lots of people are running around in the open like headless chickens - getting shot in the back.

 

[RoboPlato]

I've watched a few streams and the netcode seems very solid, is this the case for those that have played it?

Yeah, one of the smoothest online games I've played. Kinda shocked DICE pulled off such a smooth launch.

 

[Tak3n]

Its weird - I've faced off against someone with the identical weapon load-out as I have and it's like they're instantly locking-on and scoring a head shot every time and my shots do nothing.

Also, this is when I'm shooting them from the back - yet, they have time enough to turn around while being repeatedly shot and in one or two shots - kill me, even though I was repeatedly shooting them first.

What's up with this? Why does it happen?

it happens to everyone I can guarantee that, you just wont remember the times you won as much as the ones that seemingly make no sense....

I have had copious incidents where I am a long way away with my T-21B and it looks to me like I am hitting them, yet they kill me with a normal blaster.... where the T-21B should be a lot more accurate on paper...

Just happens, really not worth worrying about

 

[Tak3n]

I found a guy the other day who was literally invincible. 6 people were shooting at him and he took absolutely no damage. I started shooting at him and health was not depleting. He just turned slightly and annihilated everyone, including me. I recorded it for good measure. Is there a power up that gives you crazy shields at higher levels, or was he hacking I will never know.

SWBF ON the xb1 btw.

I was there as well, I posted in this thread about it, there was at least 5 or 6 of us hitting on him, his body was reacting like it was getting hit but no damage taken, I called hacker but then it is on the X1, so I have no idea how he done it

 

[Brandon F]

There is skill involved in this game?

 

[ISee]

Its weird - I've faced off against someone with the identical weapon load-out as I have and it's like they're instantly locking-on and scoring a head shot every time and my shots do nothing.

Also, this is when I'm shooting them from the back - yet, they have time enough to turn around while being repeatedly shot and in one or two shots - kill me, even though I was repeatedly shooting them first.

What's up with this? Why does it happen?

They are just way better. I also kill people pretty fast if I hit their head (btw aim at their chin). But my headshots are lucky ones and not because I am good. It is okay for a better player to be faster and more accurate than I am. I just do not want to play against them. It really kills my joy.

Skill based BALANCING. They released it a few patches ago. Basically you load into a server and picks a side for you based on "skill".

Not even that seems to work. That's my last game (nr45).
(I blacked out the other names, as I do not want to shame other people)

 

[Vital Tundra]

While I don't think it will get that much better, you have to let the playerbase play more and allow the game to correctly calculate who is good or bad. Unless of course their matchmaking is solely based on what your level is.

 

[ROUGE_BLOCK]

I was there as well, I posted in this thread about it, there was at least 5 or 6 of us hitting on him, his body was reacting like it was getting hit but no damage taken, I called hacker but then it is on the X1, so I have no idea how he done it

Actually here is a clip http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/TMH RABID MOOSE/video/12821692

I was on target and threw grenades at him with about 5 others shooting at him. The bastard would not die or take a hit.

 

[Deckard Chapel]

They're better.

I'd like to think that - honestly I would, but it doesn't seem fair to be blasting the shit out of someone as they casually turn around and shoot you once or twice and your dead. That's not skill - that's poor balancing.

 

[Ferrio]

Not even that seems to work. That's my last game (nr45).
(I blacked out the other names, as I do not want to shame other people)

What mode is that? if it's WA then Imps will always have a way higher k:d ratio.

I'd like to think that - honestly I would, but it doesn't seem fair to blast the shit out of someone as they casually turn around and shoot you once or twice and your dead. That's not skill - that's poor balancing.

No that's skill. You didn't secure the kill even though they had their back turned to you, you fucked up and they punished you for fucking up. There's nothing wrong with that, just accept that you lost the encounter and try to do better next time.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

As for people dominating, there will always be someone dominating. I don't think I've ever played a match of any online shooter where someone was not dominating.

and that doesn't strike you as odd?

 

[Tak3n]

Actually here is a clip http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/TMH RABID MOOSE/video/12821692

I was on target and threw grenades at him with about 5 others shooting at him. The bastard would not die or take a hit.

Found it!!!

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-w...itch-causing-big-problems-ps4-and-xbox-491610

apparently it is a known glitch

As many Star Wars Battlefront players have found on Reddit, an invincibility glitch has been found and well documented. Players are reporting that this glitch most often happens when someone is flying a ship and crashes into the ground. Somehow, this explosion results in the player getting unlimited health points.

Others are saying the glitch just kind of happens. According to reddit user Inverted_Flat_Spin, invincibility just kicked in after a while. "Had this happen to me," Inverted_Flat_Spin wrote. "Somehow turned invincible after my 12th death during a multiplayer match and ended up going 55-12. I saw the laser shots hitting me but I didn't take any damage. Next game was back to normal. Just another DICE-ism."

 

[CrovaxPSO]

In my experience so far with the game, it's easy to get a high score by getting lucky with AT-ST and AT-AT powerups, or by getting into a turret and being left alone to pick people off for a while. I don't know either way if the matchmaking is working like they said it would, but my KD is around 1.2 or something and I score decently most games, but when I get those powerups I'm always at the top because of how powerful they are.

 

[collige]

While I wouldn't be surprised if their matchmaking didn't work, I'd expect it to take longer than three days to sort everyone into skill tiers correctly.

It can't just sense how good they are coming in the door. It has to collect data and build confidence intervals.

This. Also, I dunno what the party system is like, but if it's anything like Dota, there's a decent chance that the dominating players were deliberately queued into each other because of a party with a high skill spread.

 

[ISee]

What mode is that? if it's WA then Imps will always have a way higher k:d ratio.



No that's skill. You didn't secure the kill even though they had their back turned to you, you fucked up and they punished you for fucking up. There's nothing wrong with that, just accept that you lose the encounter and try to do better next time.

Yes WA.

For the second part: Of course it's skill. Not doubting that other players are way better. The question is should those players be matched against bad ones?

Actually here is a clip http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/TMH RABID MOOSE/video/12821692

I was on target and threw grenades at him with about 5 others shooting at him. The bastard would not die or take a hit.

That's ridiculous. But it , luckily never happened to me. Hope this doesn't spread.

 

[Deckard Chapel]

In my experience so far with the game, it's easy to get a high score by getting lucky with AT-ST and AT-AT powerups

Wait a minute so you can control an AT-AT? I thought they said you couldn't?

 

[Ferrio]

Yes WA.

For the second part: Of course it's skill. Not doubting that other players are way better. The question is should those players be matched against bad ones?

Yes and No. I'd say in the DM type matches, yes there should be some pretty strict match making. In walker and supremacy I don't know how on earth they'd ever get players balanced exactly. They can always balance teams, but players? I mean there's 20 people on each team, even if they're closely matched the worst player on one team will probably get smoked by the best on the other.

Wait a minute so you can control an AT-AT? I thought they said you couldn't?

You can't control it's movement, only it's weapons.

 

[CrovaxPSO]

Wait a minute so you can control an AT-AT? I thought they said you couldn't?

You can aim the head around and get three different attacks but you can't direct its movement.

 

[ISee]

Yes and No. I'd say in the DM type matches, yes there should be some pretty strict match making. In walker and supremacy I don't know how on earth they'd ever get players balanced exactly. They can always balance teams, but players?

But that is what they said: The nature of the matchmaker that we have is to just ensure that people have a fair and even playground ... they get matchmade to players of their own level, their own skill, so they can have fun and a fair playing field.
Look I understand that is hard, but if it isn't doable then devs should stop spreading PR bullsh*t.

No, not really. I mean it's only natural. I'll have rounds of Battlefront where I go 50-5 and rounds where I go 20-18. There are a hundred different factors to account for. Most competent players can be in situations where they dominate or get stomped.

Yes this is natural, but they made it sound like things would be different in Battlefront.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

and that doesn't strike you as odd?

No, not really. I mean it's only natural. I'll have rounds of Battlefront where I go 50-5 and rounds where I go 20-18. There are a hundred different factors to account for. Most competent players can be in situations where they dominate or get stomped.

 

[Ferr986]

But that is what they said: The nature of the matchmaker that we have is to just ensure that people have a fair and even playground ... they get matchmade to players of their own level, their own skill, so they can have fun and a fair playing field.
Look I understand that is hard, but if it isn't doable then devs should stop spreading PR bullsh*t.

I agree, but that's PR being PR. It happens everywhere, not only in Battlefront. You can match players by levels, but that doesn't mean they'll be matched by skill.

I'm not excusing it, but thats why I completely ignore PR shit. It's not something just about Battlefront.

 

[ROUGE_BLOCK]

Found it!!!

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-w...itch-causing-big-problems-ps4-and-xbox-491610

apparently it is a known glitch

Woah! That is one hell of a glitch. Can it be exploited or does seem to activate at random?

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

No, not really. I mean it's only natural. I'll have rounds of Battlefront where I go 50-5 and rounds where I go 20-18. There are a hundred different factors to account for. Most competent players can be in situations where they dominate or get stomped.

but unless you only ever played Battlefield sized multiplayer matches that'd just be weird.

And even there you'd occasionally have some really great Rush matches in BFBC2

 

[Bastables]

I found a guy the other day who was literally invincible. 6 people were shooting at him and he took absolutely no damage. I started shooting at him and health was not depleting. He just turned slightly and annihilated everyone, including me. I recorded it for good measure. Is there a power up that gives you crazy shields at higher levels, or was he hacking I will never know.

SWBF ON the xb1 btw.

It's a glitch that apparently happens if you crash a craft a certain way. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-11/19/star-wars-battlefront-unkillable-immortal-players

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

but unless you only ever played Battlefield sized multiplayer matches that'd just be weird.

And even there you'd occasionally have some really great Rush matches in BFBC2

That's pretty much all I play. I will admit, in games like COD or the smaller modes in Battlefront, there is something wrong if someone is going 50-5.

 

[kaching]

My session last night (2-3 hrs playtime) started out with me placing almost dead last based on kdr for the first few matches to slowly climbing the ranks. I never got to the point where I was dominating everyone else but I did get to the point where I was doing more killing than I was dying. I'm sure some of that is just "gittin' gud" on my part but I think a fair bit of it was down to better matchmaking as they got more of my performance data.

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

Nope doesnt work.

Half of my team is always in negative 20 or more...

A skill based MM should search for people that i dont have carry

 

[JigglesBunny]

Definitely not, I (lvl 23) get pared with level 1's all the time and slaughter them like the Rebel Scum they are.

 

[ISee]

I agree, but that's PR being PR. It happens everywhere, not only in Battlefront. You can match players by levels, but that doesn't mean they'll be matched by skill.

I'm not excusing it, but thats why I completely ignore PR shit. It's not something just about Battlefront.

But shouldn't they be called out because of this. just like people do when ubi starts with their PR.

Nope doesnt work.

Half of my team is always in negative 20 or more...

A skill based MM should search for people that i dont have carry

Yes totally, I agree.

 

[Old Gimlet Eyes]

Skill based matchmaking never works. I remember the ELO system some games used on OG Xbox, that seemed to be the closest thing in terms of ranking skill that was even close to working and finding even matches. Most of the time though, it is a bunch of BS.

 

[darthbob]

Feels like I'm always put on a team of children when the other team is Seal Team Six.

So no, it doesn't work.

 

[NullPointer]

There's supposed to be skill based matchmaking?

Nothing I've seen would give me that impression.