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[Ikuu]

Metacritic disagress with you.

 

[stuminus3]

As a Fallout fan I'd like nothing more that to see another Obsidian game.

The business side of things as usual sours everything.

 

[APZonerunner]

They do have an unannounced project, but I went around their studio quite recently on a press trip doing coverage around the multiplayer tank battle game they're making, Armored Warfare, and to hear the people there speak about it, it sounds like they're not going to get any bigger, particularly. To take on a project like Fallout in addition to the ones they have now would require massive expansion, and to hear Feargus (the CEO) talk about it, he was saying he feels like the company is at the optimum size currently and he wouldn't want to expand further aggressively in case it got out of hand and more difficult to manage, then backfired - as they of course had to do lay-offs when Microsoft cancelled that 1st party XBO game they were working on and stuff. Because of all this, I don't think they would. Like,t hey weren't asked, but I wonder if they'd have even said yes to South Park 2 for the same reasons.

I would bloody love them to, though.

 

[QaaQer]

Something I am well aware of. Was not talking about Fallout the franchise. I was referring to the game systems in place.


Much the same as Kotor II iterated on Kotor I. Of course it improved in some areas, but it also took huge steps back in others.

Obsidian does best iterating on already great franchises, and even then, they have a rough time.

Alpha Protocol, while it has it's moments and some cool ideas, has more of a cult following than anything else. And that's because while some aspects are great, most are mediocre.

Idk what you are arguing. That NV was only good beccause what they stole from mods and because Obsidian had fallout3 to copy from?

NV was great because of the narrative world and the room it gave the player to become part of that narrative world. nice vid

Do this: play a character with 1 intelligence in f4 and fNV and see which game's world adapts to player choice and which doesn't.

 

[nded]

And to be fair video game writing is the bottom of the barrel anyway, so saying NV is better than FO3 based on it's writing is pretty dumb IMO.

I guess Fallout 3 is just as good an RPG as Chrono Trigger and Planescape: Torment because lol videogame writing amirite.

 

[funkystudent]

I don't really think Obsidian could fully leverage their strengths when creating an "AAA", voiced PC, reduced-dialogue game.

Maybe it wouldn't have as many options as classic fallout just because of the nature of voice acting but I think they would do a better job then Bethesda did.

Heck stuff like Witcher and Bioware games have had fully voiced leads and they dont feel nearly as crippled because of it as Fallout 4.

 

[electroshockwave]

Metacritic: the go to when you can't form any arguments for yourself.

 

[Drakhyrr]

Bethesda can take their spinoffs wherever they want. The Fallout trilogy are already some of the best games of all time, even if they have to stay in the past.

 

[Stevey]

I guess Fallout 3 is just as good an RPG as Chrono Trigger and Planescape: Torment because lol videogame writing amirite.

It's no worse than NV in that regard IMO.

 

[Rushersauce]

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There's 6 Fallout games.
Nice edit lol.

YEAH! Because I'd call the games that started Fallout, fanfiction... Of course I missed something there and OFC I had to edit it.

 

[Bolivar687]

I think the days of Bethesda working with studios outside of their stable are over.

 

[Metroidvania]

Well....I'd like it for sure, but there's some potential issues.

I know Obsidian's expressed interest in doing another game, but Feargus has also said that they wouldn't do a 'metacrtitic bonus' incentive-including game contract again, and as has been pointed out, they're on a fair amount of other projects atm. Not to mention the changes to the over-arching systems such as a voiced protagonist, etc...

If it does come, it won't be for a few years, at the least.

Besides all that, Betheda's still got DLC and stuff to worry about in terms of FO4's timeline, before moving onto Redguard.

 

[nded]

It's no worse than NV in that regard IMO.

At being a "role playing game"? F3 and F4 are noticeably worse at it than NV. It's cool if you just like to wander around big maps looking at poorly modeled landmarks and shooting lasers though.

 

[Proxy]

New Vegas was fun. I finished it, finished all of the DLC too.


However Obsidian gets too much credit. They iterated on an already great game and system. Yes there were improvements, in the questline, and you can argue back and forth about the writing.

That said, the world building was a huge step back, and most of the new gameplay features, like ADS, Hardcore Mode, Companions, etc, were all featured in FO3 mods before NV was even announced.


Props to Obsidian for maintaining Fallout in the intermediary period, but really they stood on the shoulders of giants to achieve what they did. People make it seem as if they created it from scratch, or worse, that the game engine and tools in place somehow slowed them down.

The worst thing about New Vegas was that it was constrained by Bethesda's gameplay and engine.

 

[kswiston]

Bethesda can take their spinoffs wherever they want. The Fallout trilogy are already some of the best games of all time, even if they have to stay in the past.

If Fallout 3 didn't exist, and we just got New Vegas as Part 3 as is, I think people would still have bitched about it not counting/ruining the series.

 

[Rushersauce]

If Fallout 3 didn't exist, and we just got New Vegas as Part 3 as is, I think people would still have bitched about it not counting/ruining the series.

Maybe, maybe not. But at least we'd gotten a better written game and a game that stays true to the fucking lore.

 

[Denton]

We can only hope.

One one hand, it makes business sense since FNV was insanely profitable for Zenimax.

On the other hand, it would require Todd Howard to get over his ego of Obsidian creating a better game than his team for a second time in a row.

On third hand, it would require Zenimax to forgive the unforgivable sin of Chris Avellone about sharing on twitter how Bethesda fucked them over. That said, Avellone is not at Obsidian anymore..

 

[BigTnaples]

Idk what you are arguing. That NV was only good neccause what they stole from mods and because Bethesda have the fallout3 to copy from?

NV was great because of the narrative world and the room it gave the player to become part of that narrative world. nice vid

Do this: play a character with 1 intelligence in f4 and fNV and see which game's world adapts to player choice and which doesn't.

Just that Fallout 3 was a cohesive world, that had soul. Yes, it had some flaws, and yes, New Vegas iterated on it and added many more features, however, the world building, and that elusive "soul" were gone.

Just like MW3's campaign did not have the same soul as MW1-2. While those games were certainly not without flaws, they had a certain feel, and style to them.

Kotor I vs Kotor II, or Uncharted ND vs Golden Abyss.

I am not saying that New Vegas is some terrible game. Hell, I would have rated it higher than its metacritic.

That said, everyone likes to shit on Bethesda while praising Obsidian. While the reality is, the game engine, gameplay systems, many assets, art direction, etc was already in place by the time Obsidian was contracted to make New Vegas. I would like to see Obsidian make a game like Fallout 4, without using another game as a base. Build it from ground up.

People just don't understand the iterative process, and attribute many of Obsidian's accomplishments to stuff that Bethesda would have done in Fallout 4 anyway.

Now what I am not saying is that the writing in F03 is amazing or that the Writing in NV is terrible. And I have already acknowledged multiple strengths of FO NV. But still you have people replying with .gifs, and calling me a joke because of my opinion, which I have tried to actually express and not just drive-by post.

 

[Aaron D.]

There's a lot to love in Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Each come with their own strengths and weaknesses.

Though it never gets old seeing one dragged through the mud in order to prop up the other.

 

[Ultra Numb]

After the metacritic fiasco there's no way in hell.

Am I missing something here? Someone explain this to me

 

[Drakhyrr]

If Fallout 3 didn't exist, and we just got New Vegas as Part 3 as is, I think people would still have bitched about it not counting/ruining the series.

I'm not so sure, as the writing was spot on. If they didn't have a ready gameplay and engine to use, though, it's very unlikely they would have Oblivionized it, which would lead to something totally different.

 

[Stevey]

At being a "role playing game"? F3 and F4 are noticeably worse at it than NV. It's cool if you just like to wander around big maps looking at poorly modeled landmarks and shooting lasers though.

I just enjoy 3 and 4 more than New Vegas.

Not sure why this is such a big problem to so many people in here.

 

[brickarts295]

I hope we at least get a spin off from anyone. I don't think it could wait another 7 years for another Fallout. Then again Elder Scrolls VI is probably 3-4 years from now.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Metacritic disagress with you.

stop it.

 

[NoRéN]

Obsidian can go make their own game to cater to the hardcore rpg forum crowd. Why does it need to be a Fallout game?

There's fallout, there's obsidian post-apocalypse game, everyone is happy.

 

[nded]

I just enjoy 3 and 4 more than New Vegas.

Not sure why this is such a big problem to so many people in here.

Probably when you said people preferring NV for the writing and quest design is "dumb."

Obsidian can go make their own game to cater to the hardcore rpg forum crowd. Why does it need to be a Fallout game?

Because Fallout was traditionally a game that catered to the hardcore RPG forum crowd, and there are people that enjoy the new Fallout presentation but still want Black Isle caliber writing and story. But I agree that that ship has sailed, and OG Fallout fans should probably look elsewhere instead of trying to change Bethesda.

 

[SlickVic]

I hope so. I really hope so.

It seems like it makes a lot of sense. If it's another 7 years for another fallout game, people liked new Vegas, why not let them make another in the interim to the next Bethesda game?

 

[Rushersauce]

Obsidian can go make their own game to cater to the hardcore rpg forum crowd. Why does it need to be a Fallout game?

There's fallout, there's obsidian post-apocalypse game, everyone is happy.

Wtf???? MAYBE BECAUSE THEY STAY TRUE YTO WHAT A FALLOUT GAME SHOULD BE?

 

[Hektor]

People just don't understand the iterative process, and attribute many of Obsidian's accomplishments to stuff that Bethesda would have done in Fallout 4 anyway.

Like the writing and the skillbased dialogue-system? Where is it?
The choices and the hundreds of ways to influence the big and small storys? Where are they?
The dozens of factions?

Obsidian can go make their own game to cater to the hardcore rpg forum crowd. Why does it need to be a Fallout game?

There's fallout, there's obsidian post-apocalypse game, everyone is happy.

They did that actually. It was called "Fallout 1"

 

[Dre_G_Writer]

I would like it to happen, yes. With how well Fallout 4 sold, this could be more money for Beth without them even doing the developing with pretty much guaranteed sales.

 

[ghostjoke]

Everything about Fallout 4 looks to be against what makes a great Obsidian RPG. I can't see Bethesda allowing them to undo all the changes they made in 4 to make an actual RPG, especially in financial terms. Super Bunnyhop's recent video about Fallout being big enough to warrant smaller non-AAA titles is what I'm hoping for. I'd like another New Vegas, but the true jewel is another Fallout 1/2 style, ala Wasteland 2 - need to complete that circle. But in terms of the big AAA FPS Fallout, I can't see it happening, nor do I want it if it has to stick to the framework of 4; would be a waste of everyone's talents.

 

[LinkMaster111]

I would love to know when it became "cool" to say that New Vegas was a good game, it was so thoroughly mediocre when I played it the first time I didn't even pick it back up after finishing the bare minimum of the terrible story until this year. When I did play through it again this year I felt the exact same way about it and had to force myself to play it to get the platinum.

 

[Stevey]

Probably when you said people preferring NV for the writing and quest design is "dumb."

I actually said NV was better written, but that wasn't saying much in the grand scheme of things, and that I enjoyed 3 more because there's more to games than writing but pick and choose what you want to hear.

 

[BigTnaples]

I just enjoy 3 and 4 more than New Vegas.

Not sure why this is such a big problem to so many people in here.

I am with you.


People around here act like loving New Vegas and hating everything Bethesda and saying "Lol Gamebryo" in every single thread is the defacto opinion, and the only thing you are allowed to believe.


The fact is, Bethesda makes some damned amazing games, that millions upon millions of people love.

More people loved Fallout 3-4 than New Vegas, and the same is true of Kotor I vs Kotor II.

It's not because of fanboys or anything else, the average Fallout player had no idea Fallout NV was made by different people.

As I said before, it's that not so tangible soul, while to say it wasn't there is too harsh, I will say that the soul was different.

 

[Chance Hale]

Does the low intelligence dialogue for New Vegas take into account having 1 intelligence but lets say 100 science?

 

[BennyBlanco]

Do they even have enough free staff?

Like, they have a new project unveiling in a few months, a bunch of people on Armored Warfare, people on Pillars, and some people on Pathfinder.

They're also making the South Park sequel, right ?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I just enjoy 3 and 4 more than New Vegas.

Not sure why this is such a big problem to so many people in here.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying 3 and 4 over New Vegas. But you have to understand Fallout filled a particular niche of role-playing that few games do well. Both 3 and 4 sort of lessened certain aspects of the series in order to give it a wider appeal. So to us who loved those aspects, there is definitely a feeling of loss. That said, I still love 3 (haven't actually picked up 4 yet), but New Vegas is still a much more faithful game to the origin of the franchise, and that niche that they filled. Luckily other series have sprang up, mostly from independent studios, so these days we can have those better role-playing experiences. It's just a bit disappointing to long-time fans when a series you love feels cheapened for mass appeal.

 

[Rushersauce]

I would love to know when it became "cool" to say that New Vegas was a good game, it was so thoroughly mediocre when I played it the first time I didn't even pick it back up after finishing the bare minimum of the terrible story until this year. When I did play through it again this year I felt the exact same way about it and had to force myself to play it to get the platinum.

K

 

[Enduin]

They're also making the South Park sequel, right ?

No, Ubisoft San Fran is doing that.

 

[foxtrot3d]

It's no worse than NV in that regard IMO.

"Too many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. ”

-Thomas Hildern, Director of OSI East, Fallout: New Vegas

 

[QaaQer]

I just enjoy 3 and 4 more than New Vegas.

Not sure why this is such a big problem to so many people in here.

No problem with that. But saying beth makes better worlds and role playing games, well your going to have to back that up. From what I've seen/played, Fallout 4 is a piss poor rpg with a meh world. But like the other guy said, if you like to wander and pew pew lasers, f4 is a good choice.

 

[Hero Prinny]

I hope so but i doubt it

 

[nded]

I would love to know when it became "cool" to say that New Vegas was a good game, it was so thoroughly mediocre when I played it the first time I didn't even pick it back up after finishing the bare minimum of the terrible story until this year. When I did play through it again this year I felt the exact same way about it and had to force myself to play it to get the platinum.

Probably when it became "cool" to accept that other people are going to have different opinions than you.

 

[Composer]

I do have to agree that FNV was made on the shoulder of giants. Its easier to iterate than to invent. Bethesda had the harder task and FO3 was amazing as well.

 

[Chance Hale]

I enjoyed Fallout 4 due to the much improved gunplay but even more so than Fallout 3 it reduced the quest branching to almost nil. Most quests have to resolved with violence whereas New Vegas takes into account all of your different skills and stats and lets you solve quests in a huge variety of ways, often without taking your weapons out. It's really apparent playing them back to back how much more thought was put into New Vegas and how simplistic 4 is in comparison.

 

[Breads]

Didn't they basically say as much recently? I could have sworn I remembered reading that they would welcome the chance to work on it again...maybe during an E3 interview(?)


Edit: yep http://youtu.be/pbcCwfAstyQ

Skip to 3min

They've said as much several times throughout the years. The one bewildering thing was why Bethesda hasn't hired them again.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

Would be great. I'd just worry that if they do, they'd have to work with the new dialogue and perks systems. They could definitely improve upon it but eh.

 

[Pooya]

We're not worthy, no. We're stuck with Bethesda's lame vision of Fallout universe. I guess people that had no knowledge of pre Fallout 3 Fallout can't tell what's missing anyway and that's most of the players now.

 

[QaaQer]

Does the low intelligence dialogue for New Vegas take into account having 1 intelligence but lets say 100 science?

You bet, idiot savant ftw!

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Doubt it, and honestly if Obsidian were licensed to develop another company's IP right now I'd prefer it be Paradox's newly acquired World of Darkness.

You gave me a boner.