Yes. Or in that games version of the Soviet Union.
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Will Obsidian do a new Fallout?
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Yes. Or in that games version of the Soviet Union.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
If you read my replies you would have known that I already acknowledge Bethesda doing some shitty stuff in their past. My post is about Bethesda&Obsidian situation. NV took 18 months to develop so did Bethesda halt some funds from Obsidian which affected Obsidian financially? All what I hear here is about the bonus thing which is not that big.
Dont worry, Todd. I got your back on this. Why if we compared the only slightly broken Xbone version of Fallout 4 to NV PC, its got 4 whole metacritic points on NV. Suck it, GAF.
Great and all. I don't agree, but here you seem to allying yourself to the great unwashed masses rather than GAF.
Now, people here aren't the ultimate arbiters of quality, but neither are the unwashed masses.
And fixed with a shit solution.
Denton
Member
Afaik the bonus was a million.
Perhaps it was the way it was worded, but It reads as the usual Bethesda vs oblivion thing. Which quite frankly, I don't care for.
CertifiedFP
Member
Eh?
I feel people are intentionally forgetting this gem when talking about FO4's dialog system - It's not the system FO4 got wrong, it was execution.
Eh?
I feel people are intentionally forgetting this gem when talking about FO4's dialog system - It's not the system FO4 got wrong, it was execution.
Absolutely, but AP is a different kind of game. For starters it isn't a freeform open world RPG. Their tone based choice system only works well in a more "linearly" restricted narrative.
Well, the person in this thread really carrying that flag is Todd Howard.
I doubt it, and not just because that'd be a bit pathetic. Bethesda's take on Fallout differs from Obsidian's. Obsidian didn't really make a better 'Bethesda' Fallout even though they used Fallout 3 as a foundation. Their priorities are in completely different places.
Besides, Bethesda wasn't the one that created the IP.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
God damnit Todd will you relax. People still like your games.
2 Slice Toaster
Member
Man there is literally no better place to go to watch people be condescending pricks to each other than a Obsidian-Fallout thread.
I loved Alpha Protocol. Wish we had a sequel.Eh?
I feel people are intentionally forgetting this gem when talking about FO4's dialog system - It's not the system FO4 got wrong, it was execution.
It's been said many times but bears repeating, Bethesda Fallout only shares the same universe. The games are quite obviously different beasts.
That's not what they said.
Recently reinstalled 3 and New Vegas on 10. Works perfectly. Perhaps the issue is on YOUR end?
You're using the same argument the previous guy is.
That doesn't mean what you think it does.
BRB, gotta go cut myself.
CertifiedFP
Member
Eh, yeah, THIS right here is Bethesda's big world-building problem - Almost all their "memorable" locations are based on gimmicks. The Pillars of the Community, the Church of Atom, Cabot House, Covenant... Bethesda tried a bit too hard to make the tone of various places unique, and they all come out rather hollow from it.
Also, on another note - Anyone rather annoyed by the amount of Slapstick in FO3 and 4? I'm not sure where exactly, but I remember a FO1/2 dev (Forgot who exactly) who stated that the Golden Concrete Do Not Break Rule of humor in Fallout is "Black Comedy only, NO 50's slapstick."
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Deleted member 17706
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What a strange decision that was... I've played 40 hours and I think I'm nearing the end of the game, but they completely squandered any advantage that a voiced protagonist can bring. It really adds nothing to the game in my opinion.
Bethesda's vision for Fallout is obviously very different than that of the old games. They lean heavily into slapstick, goofiness, and the cartoon factor. I'm not a fan of it personally, and vastly prefer the tone of the original two games, but there's no point in complaining about it now. Bethesda has found incredible success with their version.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
They don't want to be embarrassed again by superior writing and RPG mechanics.
Rushersauce
Banned
Bethesda shat on Fallout's lore. What makes you think they will not shit on any other stuff that Black Isle/Interplay made/said?
I honestly don't think that they give a shit. If they can make a crappier version and still sell more that is mission accomplished in Zenimax terms.
StarlordDial
Member
They could also take advantage or bypass this by making the pc mute or lost his voice :0
Dick Justice
Banned
Saints Row Syndrome. Focus on "wacky" humour and too much power fantasy.
New Vegas was a more fitting sequel to Fallout 2 than 3 could ever hope to be. I love Fallout 4, but the dialogue system alone makes it sub par to New Vegas as a Fallout title. I'd love to see Obsidian get a chance to make another Fallout game in that vein.
Edit: Also, it looks like several Obsidian guys attended the Fallout 4 launch party, hopefully that means no bridges were burned permanently.
Edit: Also, it looks like several Obsidian guys attended the Fallout 4 launch party, hopefully that means no bridges were burned permanently.
Diprosalic
Banned
At this point i don't even want them to make a new one since it would be on the shitty engine again but if Bethesda wants to get their ass whopped one more time i'm certainly in.
Chance Hale
Member
Why? Even if every quest in the game isn't quite as open ended it shows the general design philosophy differences between the two developers. I mean, almost every quest in Fallout 4 has no branching at all :/
They don't give a shit. Superior writing and RPG mechanics didn't put Skyrim (and soon Fallout 4) into the 20M+ copies club. It's pretty clear that the veteran CRPG audience is not their target demo.
Yea. New Vegas wasn't zany at all.
Chance Hale
Member
Microsoft already cancelled a project they were working on so that seems unlikely
And this is after Derrick01 was permbanned...
I've responded to your absurd "standing on the shoulder of giants" argument in other threads, but I've yet to see anything but fallacies and statements lacking any form of constructive argument from you. In this thread alone you've stated how Fallout 3 is a success in world-building, in building a cohesive world, yet provide no evidence to support it when this is one of the largest criticisms of Fallout 3, and one of Fallout: New Vegas' greatest accomplishments.
We are talking about the same logical and cohesive world that includes a city built around a nuclear bomb, a town run by children, a society of vampires, invincible NPCs, lack of agriculture or means of survival for its inhabitants, that inescapable moment you realize 200 years after the bombs fell isn't a misprint, and "I don't want to rob you of your destiny"? The numerous alterations to the established lore including Super Mutants, the Brotherhood of Steel turned into an order of holy-knights, protectors of civilization, and Jet. The world is filled like a theme park would be, nothing but "Wouldn't it be cool if..." motivation for design decisions, and as a result every settlement and area is entirely disconnected from the rest of the world, existing in their own bubble of reality. These qualities do not support world-building, and frankly I think you're mistakenly using the wrong term.
I could go on about how the themes of the game appear to be ripped from Fallout and Fallout 2 without any consideration, almost as if superficial recognition was all they were aiming for in bringing Fallout to a new audience. How the overstated Karma system, with no other systems to back it up (Reputation) focused everything through a lens of either black or white. The simplification to skill checks and character interaction with the world, this being the hallmark feature of Fallout and Fallout 2.
For everything I failed to cover, Vault Dweller's excellent Fallout 3 review and MrBongue's video are good places to start.
Derrick's evolution as a pessimistic gamer would have had him grouping Obsidian in his shit pile (ie the large majority of the gaming industry) by now.
Because it reminds me of what FO4 is not or FO will ever be again. Because even with the structurally simple quest structure in FO4 we get Kid in a Fridge type quests.
Dick Justice
Banned
More emphasis on dark/subtle humour through its dialogue, didn't rely almost exclusively on zaniness.
it isn't a CRPG audience that exclusively likes good RPGs, good writing or reactive questing.
With TES lore they could tell such great stories, but never do.
Denton
Member
And then cancel it so they would have to let go dozens of people.
Well they did have wacky wasteland but you had to opt into that.
For a few points of difference? It is entirely worthless.
