BTW, I think Smash has the best redesigns of characters from outside the Nintendo franchises. Pac-Man, Sonic, Cloud... they all look absolutely top shelf, as if someone was concerned with getting them right. Impressive stuff.
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Final Fantasy VII Remake is a multi-part series
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BTW, I think Smash has the best redesigns of characters from outside the Nintendo franchises. Pac-Man, Sonic, Cloud... they all look absolutely top shelf, as if someone was concerned with getting them right. Impressive stuff.
We are talking about 3 (possible more) games. How do you want to turn a 50 hour game into a 150 hour game? 100 ADDITIONAL hours without any meaningful main story progress can't be NOT botched up by filler crap and busywork.
Obliterator
Member
This is some next level bull shit.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Well... atleast this means we can't joke about the game being released in 2020.
HUELEN10
Member
While I think the decision could aptly be considered bullshit by many people, and while I am NOT saying that this is a good move or endorsing their business decision....
I must say that doing it episodic will make it more acceptable to a person like me, and I would be more inclined to play it because of it.
I don't hate this.
I must say that doing it episodic will make it more acceptable to a person like me, and I would be more inclined to play it because of it.
I don't hate this.
Think about it for a second. You want FF7 remake to be faithfully recreated with nothing cut. The amount of money and time that will take is just too great.
Look at FFXV. Things got cut, and it's been in the pipeline for like a decade. No one wants that situation again.
This is probably how a project like this gets greenlit if you want everything to remain the same.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
And few reused assets?
Absoludacrous
Member
You want to place bets right now on how many varied locations 15 has over 7?
No, this is how the project gets greenlit if you want it to be made at all.
RobotsAnger
Member
Damn, this is what happens when I say take all my money 
AstroNut325
Member
I'm OK with this. Don't get the negative comments.
Storm Chamber
Banned
Suzushiiro
Banned
Not sure about that... Ubi/Activision aren't in the 60-hour long game business.
Yeah, "greenlit with no issues" is probably pushing it, but the point is that Ubisoft, who craps out an AC game every year like fucking clockwork, would be able to tell you exactly how much time and money it would take them to do the FFVII remake as a single game, and also have a decent idea of what would have to be done to make it profitable. Squeenix really doesn't, so they have to play it safe.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
It's seriously insane.
It's their most beloved game, and ace in the hole. There's absolutely nothing else they can produce that'd warrant more resources from them. This is it. This is the game you go all out on. If it's not this, it's nothing.
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
Okay here's the real question while everyone is still in full panic mode. FF7 is linear in terms of progression for quite awhile but when you get the airship it does open up. So the question really should be "can you access older content" in terms of towns and areas. If yes this is fine, it just means we are getting parts of the game early rather then waiting 11 years for a demo that lasted an hour. I don't need a 1 to 1 but holy shit I do need an open world.
Best way to handle it if you have to do this, realistically.
ep1 All the way to clouds story, ends you with a bang and it feels like a cliffhanger even in the original.
ep2 obviously end of disc 1, big moment and the game has still been linear
ep3 Now this is where we get tricky, either we finish the game or if we have to have 4 parts lets go to where the monsters begin to attack. Big events hit, mood is all time high, but for the love of god you better be able to travel to places from the previous episodes.
ep4 again if needed you just finish the game here, although still i think 3 parts makes the most sense here.
Now again we are all emotional, but before we call death to the game lets at least hear their plan out. There's no reason after all the episodes are done they couldn't release a physical complete edition, but the one thing they can't fucking do is make this a linear story where you can pick it up any episode. It just doesn't work!
Best way to handle it if you have to do this, realistically.
ep1 All the way to clouds story, ends you with a bang and it feels like a cliffhanger even in the original.
ep2 obviously end of disc 1, big moment and the game has still been linear
ep3 Now this is where we get tricky, either we finish the game or if we have to have 4 parts lets go to where the monsters begin to attack. Big events hit, mood is all time high, but for the love of god you better be able to travel to places from the previous episodes.
ep4 again if needed you just finish the game here, although still i think 3 parts makes the most sense here.
Now again we are all emotional, but before we call death to the game lets at least hear their plan out. There's no reason after all the episodes are done they couldn't release a physical complete edition, but the one thing they can't fucking do is make this a linear story where you can pick it up any episode. It just doesn't work!
Final Fantasy it's not the household name that it was once and the market for JRPG in the west it's not as big as you may think it is...
We are going to joke about the release date of the final chapter, ala HL Ep 3
Good point, probably. But if we count the cost and dev time of Luminous it's probably a lot closer than you think.
Just saw the thread and here's my two cent: for me at least it's not too surprising. Let's not forget that :
1) Kitase said doing a remake would take too much time and effort if it was to recreate the WHOLE world of FFVII with today's technology AND open-world tendencies. So if the original story scenario of FFVII is told in multiple part WHILE being a gigantic world in real-time, then for them to recoup the cost of development and to not get lost in development hell, they have to release them in parts;
2) They are never shy of making multiples entries in a series (FFVII compilation, FFXIII trilogy) and they even considered of making FFXV a whole new series of games before Tabata stepped in decided otherwise (he clearly said the whole story will be told in one game).
So, of course like everyone else I'm a bit disappointed. But in way, I understand that. Still, if it's really the same basic scenrio thold in multiple part, there is always the chance that the can put even more stuff in it! Imagine being able to explore the ENTIRETY of Midgar in just part 1? Now THAT would be surprising.
1) Kitase said doing a remake would take too much time and effort if it was to recreate the WHOLE world of FFVII with today's technology AND open-world tendencies. So if the original story scenario of FFVII is told in multiple part WHILE being a gigantic world in real-time, then for them to recoup the cost of development and to not get lost in development hell, they have to release them in parts;
2) They are never shy of making multiples entries in a series (FFVII compilation, FFXIII trilogy) and they even considered of making FFXV a whole new series of games before Tabata stepped in decided otherwise (he clearly said the whole story will be told in one game).
So, of course like everyone else I'm a bit disappointed. But in way, I understand that. Still, if it's really the same basic scenrio thold in multiple part, there is always the chance that the can put even more stuff in it! Imagine being able to explore the ENTIRETY of Midgar in just part 1? Now THAT would be surprising.
I'm cautiously optimistic..I don't feel the need to stamp my feet and call them assholes, because regardless of what they do..I'll be getting this day 1, even if episode 1 is mediocre, I'll be getting episode 2 day 1. I'll likely hate myself after every purchase, but every episode will be day 1.
I'm an unabashed FFVII fanboy.
I'm an unabashed FFVII fanboy.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I physically shuddered.
I think the episodic format heavily implies that this will be a highlight reel with a smaller scope than the original. It makes sense too, as that will make it cheap to produce and assure it's out on time.
There is no way it's a full remake cut up in parts. The logistics of it just don't make sense. The way progression, exploration and other stuff works in FF7 just doesn't lend itself to the episodic format. Would the last episode suddenly piece the whole overworld together and allow backtracking? It also doesn't make sense with the comment about each episode providing a 'unique experience'.
I really hope Square Enix will clarify soon.
There is no way it's a full remake cut up in parts. The logistics of it just don't make sense. The way progression, exploration and other stuff works in FF7 just doesn't lend itself to the episodic format. Would the last episode suddenly piece the whole overworld together and allow backtracking? It also doesn't make sense with the comment about each episode providing a 'unique experience'.
I really hope Square Enix will clarify soon.
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texhnolyze
Banned
I think that S-E will be done with overdrawn, extremely expensive development cycles after FF15 if they can help it. What do Japanese developers who get stuck in these 5+ year development periods on AAA titles have to show for their efforts?
Then they shouldn't do it at all. Or scale the project to be less ambitious.
Primethius
Banned
Yea, but a lot of that is SE probably trying to salvage the project. Do I think SE would approve of FF15 if the budget was the entire collective budget of FFXIII-Versus up until FFXV?
God no.
the_sun_king
Member
In an addendum of sorts: I'm one of the weirdos who loooooong ago - when I was still invested in FFVII - all I really wanted was a version of the game that had consistent character models throughout battles, towns/dungeons, and the overworld map. I never really wanted a full blow current gen graphical overhaul as a majority of the fans wanted.
I wonder if the original game had had that if people would have clamored for a remake as much as they have...
I wonder if the original game had had that if people would have clamored for a remake as much as they have...
I BELIEVE!
legacyzero
Banned
Just want one game, thanks.
Prices won't be that high but I fear the idea they have in their mind is close to this ahah
Btw at this point SE must be receiving an insane amount of requests to comment on the situation.
They can't make such an announcement without giving details!
Of course fans want to know what kind of quality they can expect, what's gonna happen to the free exploration side of the game, timing of release between the parts and so on.
If they can't announce anything else today it was a total mistake to announce this today unless they want some feedback on the idea but it's obvious that people would prefer a single game unless they can bring really valid reasons.
Well yea but imagine if this was one release. You don't think things would be cut? Or it wouldn't take ages to come out or cost a substantial amount of money?
SE is also a business out to make money. Like I said. It depends on how this is implemented. The parts need to be substantial and literally NOTHING can be cut. Exploration needs to be there, world map needs to be there, Side quests need to be there.
It also hopefully lets the team focus more. SE gets revenue and hopefully we get this sooner rather than later.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
I get being okay with this. I don't get how you can not get why others wouldn't be. Episodic stuff is absolutely fine. Final Fantasy 7 just shouldn't be episodic. You know how I know this? Because Final Fantasy 7 wasn't fucking episodic.
computers putin'
Member
Sounds like the beginning stages of a nightmare. I hope additional scenes doesn't mean a retcon for Angeal and Genesis. If so, then lmaoooooooooooooooo.
Obliterator
Member
My god if this isnt a true remake and just a "greatest hits" of the game.....
SE pls for the love of god
SE pls for the love of god
Amazing ah ah ah...
They maybe need to give FF7 remake to CDProjekt, they can make it quicker and better than actual SE can.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
For people that know just how good this game is, that's going to be the worst possible kind of torture, but I already feel like I've gotten the best of this game. A new generation remake is just icing on the cake. I just pray they get everything right. This is my favorite game of all time and I want them to do it justice.