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George Lucas quips he sold 'Star Wars' to "white slavers," criticizes tone of TFA
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Chinpoko_Master
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True, but I meant if we got the exact same movie regardless of whether they sucked or not.
People are going to bitch no matter what. If they do something new, people will ask why isn't it like old Star Wars.
The vocal minority takes over in situations like these. Of the people that I know that love, absolutely LOVE this movie, none of them bother to go online to defend it. They love it and they don't care. I am the only idiot who seems to need to talk about it online.
Which is why I can't wait for the thread about episode VIII and what we think will happen. Leave the other threads for people to dissect TFA.
And yes they can be critical about a movie, but in my opinion there is a difference between being critical and nitpicking the living shit out of something. They are allowed to "be critical" and I am allowed to call bullshit on it.
Ol No Bones
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Honestly, can we quit pretending like women leads is some gutsy move in 2015? It's not.
PdotMichael
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You mean that Luke who was on his own journay is comperable to the Jedis which were like the fourth power in the old republic?
Fine Ham Abounds
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I was just thinking the other day about how somehow we're left with a PT that tried lots of new things but ended up a cheesy, soulless husk, and now we've got a movie that got the spirit right but was 50% rehash. Comparing them is not as fair as judging each as inferior to the OT in their own ways.
Meus Renaissance
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Listening to Lucas' thoughts on wanting to do a multi-generation family opera makes me think he envisioned Game of Thrones in space. I never knew that he was critical about the A New Hope, lamenting the fact that it was only "35%" of what he originally had in mind. What he mistakenly created, although loved, was "kiddie" compared to what he wanted. Interesting.
Exactly. Outside of a very vocal group of sexist/racist people, I have yet to find proof that casting a black or female protagonist is something risky and revolutionary.
You still haven't explained why you think the Jedi were "forgotten" by the time of the OT. They are not mentioned, because why would they. But forgotten?
Neff
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The Long Kiss Goodnight was almost 20 years ago and it didn't exactly ruffle feathers then.
TFA is basically weekend at Bernies trotting out a corpse and tossing some new clothing on it to whip individuals who can't get over their childhood nostalgia and need their egos fed.
It's basically about art va commerce the Lucas films are basically statement pieces and come from a place of ideas and trying to say something while TFA is nothing but a commercial entity trying to pry every single dollar it can from its viewing audience.
While I find TFA enjoyable I'm kind of saddened by the fact that Disney has turned into an IP farm that basically placates fanboys with commercial crap that has no artistic statement.
Edit: best example of a series that has an artistic statement yet as a revival is Mad Max Fury Road.
It's basically about art va commerce the Lucas films are basically statement pieces and come from a place of ideas and trying to say something while TFA is nothing but a commercial entity trying to pry every single dollar it can from its viewing audience.
While I find TFA enjoyable I'm kind of saddened by the fact that Disney has turned into an IP farm that basically placates fanboys with commercial crap that has no artistic statement.
Edit: best example of a series that has an artistic statement yet as a revival is Mad Max Fury Road.
Yep, forgetting the Catholic Church in 20 years is as dumb as forgetting George Washington in 30
Dash_Riprock
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I never understood that "Jedi only gone for 20 years" argument. There are only a few thousand Jedi in a GALAXY of trillions upon trillions. 99.9999% of the galaxy will probably go their entire lives never even seeing about Jedi.
SliceSabre
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Dude the prequels sucked. Holy shit get over it and the fact that TFA is better than all of them.
Guy is a fucking hack.
Guy is a fucking hack.
Episode I,II,III were a crime against my eyes,ears and intelligence. They are C-movies with A-movie budget.
Acting? Horrifying.
Cgi? Ugly.
Story? Dumb as balls.
Yoda doing flips with a lightsaber? Dumbest shit ever put on screen.
Cannot take anything George Lucas says to heart, those movies almost ruined star wars franchise as a whole.
Acting? Horrifying.
Cgi? Ugly.
Story? Dumb as balls.
Yoda doing flips with a lightsaber? Dumbest shit ever put on screen.
Cannot take anything George Lucas says to heart, those movies almost ruined star wars franchise as a whole.
Good Job Bob
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What was George trying to tell us with the Ewoks?
PdotMichael
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It's like forgetting who was the second man on the moon - Luke was never in the middle point of attention outside of a small circle of people. While the Knights Templar are still known.
Episode 4. Rewatch it.
DryEyeRelief
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hasn't star wars always been a merchandise machine?
star wars may be the biggest movie ip but I don't think of it as high art. I would throw the entire franchise in the same category as Avatar and Jurassic World.
You can actually look at the Ewoks as playing with the notion that tribal groups are considered inferior yet overcame a technological society that was considered superior.
You know a commentary on how society views tribal societies... Something that is still relevant today.
He put up a fucking Jedi School and his sister is RIGHT THERE as a prominent political figure
Becomes an unbelievable myth in 30 years.
How can you not see the dumbness??
I never understand this.
I'm sure Star Wars became MORE successful as a franchise because of the Prequels, even if they were bad? The toyline exploded!
Would you rather a Matte painting? Hell there's a part in ROTJ were you can clearly see Lando walking to a wall with a Matte painting of the Falcon on it when they're about to assualt the second Death Star. At least CGI can Move.
This is something I always noticed as a kid and it's one of the many reasons I never liked ROTJ as much as ESB. I couldn't get my head around why they had a full scale Falcon in ESB but used a big silly painting in ROTJ.
ESB is, for my money, the best of the OT and generally Star Wars at its very best. TFA despite a couple knitpicks is quite awesome -- And I really, really appreciate its frequent use of real props, sets, and creatures/aliens/costumes/etc.
billy beane
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I feel like the people who think the prequel trilogy are "the worst films of all time" are mostly 16 year olds who have seen like 10 movies in their life.
UnemployedVillain
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It's funny, but I think the best way to compare TPM and TFA in term of "originality" is by what the extended universe and other non-movie properties (novels, cartoons, videogames) can use from each movie that it didn't have before
TPM brought:
* The idea of Sith
* Different configurations for lightsabers
* What a world with numerous Jedi would operate like
* Podracing
TFA brought:
* Stormtroopers create through kidnapping/indoctrination
* A weapon other than a blaster for Storm Troopers
I mean we have the Knights of Ren and Snoke, which we'll learn more about, but until then they're simply another fringe group of Dark Side users which we've seen in numerous different properties (Snoke is probably important thought)
TPM brought:
* The idea of Sith
* Different configurations for lightsabers
* What a world with numerous Jedi would operate like
* Podracing
TFA brought:
* Stormtroopers create through kidnapping/indoctrination
* A weapon other than a blaster for Storm Troopers
I mean we have the Knights of Ren and Snoke, which we'll learn more about, but until then they're simply another fringe group of Dark Side users which we've seen in numerous different properties (Snoke is probably important thought)
PdotMichael
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The movie states that the Jedis are a long forgotten religion. Vader was for the admirals and officers an joke character in that one meeting.
Not sure why you are trying to play this game.
Dash_Riprock
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Hunger Games is based on a YA novel written for young women and is marketed toward woman. Star Wars, especially all the merchandises, has always been marketed towards boys. It WAS a gutsy move on Disney's part. Hollywood is finally seeing that men will still love a movie that has a woman in the central role. It would be like marking a Rambo reboot staring Gina Carano or something.
The prequels were a man creating his own personal vision for the franchise and The Force Awakens is a film that's very aware of what fans like about Star Wars and what they want to see. I can see why George feels the way he does even though I think the prequels are crap and the new film is so much better.
And yes, TFA does play it safe, but perhaps a contributing factor to that is the infamy of the prequels. who knows...
And yes, TFA does play it safe, but perhaps a contributing factor to that is the infamy of the prequels. who knows...
That's what an Imperial officer says. Do we get any actual proof of what he is saying?
That's assuming the movies didn't have a strong reception by the male demographic. Casting a female lead is NOT a risky move.
0ptimusPayne
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While I truly love TFA( seen it 3 times) he does make a valid point about the movie being safe, and not introducing anything unfamiliar really to the franchise with episode 7. Hopefully they expand on the universe a bit more, and add more ships besides 2015 versions of x-wings/Tiefighters in 8,and 9...
spookyfish
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Shhhh. Let people talk about how "fresh and new" the movie is without Lucas' involvement.
Personally, I'm okay Lucas is gone. This is a weird interview to me -- if you cared, why sell it? He doesn't have room to criticize. No one forced him to sell the franchise.
metalslimer
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He needs to kindly shut up when he is the one who sold it and created the god awful prequels. And people keep trotting out how TFA is a rehash as if that's somehow a knock on the film.
Byakuya769
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He is right that this movie is pretty retro with a fresh coat of paint. I like the diversity and the female lead, but it definitely feels like it's not seeking to say anything more than the barebones narrative it presents. It ensures that it maintains a bearhug around nostalgia for the first trilogy, similarly to Jurassic World (but Jurassic World is an awful movie).
Ah well. Still a fun movie #staymadlucas.
Ah well. Still a fun movie #staymadlucas.
I can see why children, who do not have fully developed brains, can enjoy the prequels and want the toys associated with them.
Polioliolio
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In the end, this man has at least 4 billion dollars.. This one man.
I could live the rest of my life well on less than 1 million. That's a grain of sand on a planet of fucking sand.
I could live the rest of my life well on less than 1 million. That's a grain of sand on a planet of fucking sand.
This post should be the gaf banner. Complaints about TFA then praising Mad Max.
This is one of those cases where I am happy the critics and general public greatly disagree with the online sentiment of TFA. They did a great job considering all the expectations and all of the bitching that was going to happen no matter what.
Star Wars is in good hands, and I guess at the end of the day having gaf filled with complaints is worth it since I really didn't expect to ever see an Episode VII in my lifetime.
Considering how much TFA apes from ANH, I'm sure he's feeling indirectly responsible for the box office success in some way.
Yep. The whole point of people complaining about whitewashing and too few women is that it's not revolutionary or a gamble and it's just studio guys not being able to step out of their own frame of reference.
The casting can easily be seen as cynical Disney bean-counting rather than any daring act or attempt at social justice.
People need to stop pretending Twitter racists really matter when it comes to what happens for these commercial products. Black Heimdall didn't affect Thor anymore than ultimately a Black Bond would, whatever the frothing of the Internet seeming to imply otherwise.
At the very least they shouldn't be given kudos for the casting of your argument is that it's what more films should look like.
I'm amazed that people don't realize he's donating all of the money.
People getting bent out of shape about the slavery comment need to realize that Lucas has a black wife and has complained vocally about how hard it is to get a movie starring African Americans funded during the Red Wings campaign.
Dash_Riprock
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Hey, I went as Darth Maul for Halloween '99, so I can fully attest to that.
Just in case you didn't know, the OT were dumb, silly movies aimed primarily at children.
Good Job Bob
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Considering how much TFA apes from ANH, I'm sure he's feeling indirectly responsible for the box office success in some way.
He did tell a Jurassic World producer that he would crush him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhQPu-5C-WY
CadetMahoney
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pretty much.
Rey thought he was a myth. Its never stated that everyone thinks the same. But also there were comparatively less people to witness Luke's feats than the people who witnessed the fall of the Jedi. So it would be understandable for people to not know what happened just prior to the Death Star exploding.
The Jedi Temple was on Coruscant. Short of flashy-thinging citizens of the Republic, no amount of document shredding is going to fix that hole.
PdotMichael
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You mean like the dialogue between Obi-Wan and Han Solo about light sabers and laser guns?
This post should be the gaf banner. Complaints about TFA then praising Mad Max.
This is one of those cases where I am happy the critics and general public greatly disagree with the online sentiment of TFA. They did a great job considering all the expectations and all of the bitching that was going to happen no matter what.
Star Wars is in good hands, and I guess at the end of the day having gaf filled with complaints is worth it since I really didn't expect to ever see an Episode VII in my lifetime.
If you don't get what an amazing artistic statement mad max was I'm sorry. I thought TFA was fun and have no problem with it just don't think folks realize it's just treading on nostalgia and really doesn't offer anything. It's the Burger King of movies.
DryEyeRelief
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Daisy Ridley wouldn't be currently a top trending celebrity if it were.
No. I mean proof that the Jedi were completely forgotten around the galaxy.
Not pictured is the gun under the table pointed at Lucas. Look at the fear on his face.
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