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George Lucas quips he sold 'Star Wars' to "white slavers," criticizes tone of TFA
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this thread is on some shit right now, lol
WHAT!!! Are you telling me a franchise film uses.........Nostalgia?!?! My entire world view has been altered!!!.
No seriously, TFA offered plenty. And holy shit at claiming Mad Max of ALL things wasn't doing the same exact thing. I love that movie but its basically the same thing, right down to pretentious purists over-fucking-analyzing everything to find reasons its garbage.
veloxStrix
Banned
I know right? It's almost like it's a movie that went to theaters or something.
You're a special person to realize that this particular movie and not every movie that ever gets produced by a real company was out to make money.
You're a fucking menace, man. You got me, I've been outplayed. I can't beat willful misinterpretation and blatant ignorance.
PdotMichael
Banned
The two series indeed don't matter. In fact it would be arguments against your point because several flaws were so glaring that they needed some forms of retcons in later produced series.
Stuff like Luke would haver never met Obi-Wan without R2's random antics although Obi-Wan was supposed to protect him, hiding Luke on the homeplanet of Anakin while also carring the fucking same surname are also quite dumb plot points.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Nah, piss on that. I've seen TFA twice now and I love the movie. I think it's a fun film that harkens back to the feeling of the OT. Just because you viewed the movie with cynical eyes does not mean that anyone who actually enjoyed it is misguided or duped in any way, we just fucking liked the movie.
Please stop trying to make yourself into something superior to people who enjoyed it, or act more intelligent than the fans simply because you have a more "edgy" opinion.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
that's why you're the greatest of us all, jett.
triplestation
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That is true
That it's the only good PR he can get these days after the prequels.
Only took a few billion.
That he can write off on his taxes due to donations.
While obviously the bottom line is that Star Wars has become more of a corporate product than what it was before, I don't know that I'd fully agree that JJs intentions are cynical. Any deficiencies in the final film are more to the fact that JJ Abrams is not a good storyteller rather than Lucasfilm top brass going "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" over his shoulders.
Honestly that post came out more asshole-ish than I probably intended.
The new Apes movies are seriously miraculous.
heliosRAzi
Banned
George Lucas was not the only one shaping the story and creating the moments we all love.
UnforgivenTwin
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I bow to you Supreme leader. You know better than us.
Fuuuuuuuck outta here. Lucas wanted this. He just thinks the first result could've been more creative. He is allowed to criticize his son after he marries and leaves the house.
DryEyeRelief
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What are some good movies that JJ Abrams directed?
Stop spouting bullshit. This "deal" never happened and the creative push of this film was Lucasfilm, not Disney.Disney pacified his concerns saying "Sure George, we'll take your ideas into consideration, don't worry you can trust ol'Mickey" then after they be all like:
Screw this we doing this our way. We gotz toys to sell. Aright let's go peddle some nostalgia and fan service.
MagnaderAlpha
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I don't feel this is true at all George.
You re-used Tatooine in every single movie except Empire.
You re-used the Milennium Falcon in every OT movie (can't blame you of course, that ship is cool as shit).
You re-used the Death Star in Jedi, and then again in the Prequels.
You re-used Naboo. Coruscant. C-3PO, R2-D2.
Don't get me wrong I'm not against re-using cool and iconic things (though I'd argue some of the things listed above are not cool or iconic), but don't pretend you're above it.
The Force Awakens, for one.
That movie with that thing that happened and then something else happened... Ya know?
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
UnforgivenTwin
Member
I agree. And the text on that gif is ridiculous. Like the prequels didn't sell a shit ton of toys and new merchandise?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You're fucking serious? Can't tell.
Wowfunhappy
Member
So, um, why did he sell the franchise to Disney, again?
Surely he has enough money already?
Surely he has enough money already?
PdotMichael
Banned
I also love that stuff like C3PO, R2, Boba Fett and stuff like Chewie knows Yoda etc. aren't cynical and calculated decisions but just the results of a man trying to do new things!
People's responses to this are predictably weird.
"Too bad George, you sold it..."
He knows. He said that.
"Yeah well, it's not like his prequels are that good..."
So? Also, motherfucker made Star Wars too. What does any of that have to do with the question he was asked?
The guy was interviewed and gave two answers that were a LITTLE close too honest. I kinda feel bad for the billionaire and I don't even like the OT!
I mean, if the dude is trash - with a trash opinion that he has no right to express - maybe avoid his interviews.
In the meantime, he still made AT LEAST 2 if not 3 objectively important films. Can he just answer a question without people getting bizzarrely defensive?
Not saying people should agree with him, but no need to dismiss a guy out of hand.
"Too bad George, you sold it..."
He knows. He said that.
"Yeah well, it's not like his prequels are that good..."
So? Also, motherfucker made Star Wars too. What does any of that have to do with the question he was asked?
The guy was interviewed and gave two answers that were a LITTLE close too honest. I kinda feel bad for the billionaire and I don't even like the OT!
I mean, if the dude is trash - with a trash opinion that he has no right to express - maybe avoid his interviews.
In the meantime, he still made AT LEAST 2 if not 3 objectively important films. Can he just answer a question without people getting bizzarrely defensive?
Not saying people should agree with him, but no need to dismiss a guy out of hand.
veloxStrix
Banned
Cloverfield is the only one that I think was amazing.
I'm not sure what people define as good. Star Trek films were okay. His best work is in television.
Dash_Riprock
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The Episode I toyline under performing is the reason Hasbro closed down the Kenner division.
brandonh83
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Nothing is safe from you lol.
NHarmonic.
Member
Without a doubt.
gioGAF
Member
His prequels are trash, the originals had heavy contributions from other individuals (he only produced and co-wrote the second and third).
I also believe much of his nonsense modifications to the originals were to avoid paying royalties to those who contributed to the originals by relabeling them as new releases. I'm guessing if you edit/change x amount of content, the film is considered a different entity than the first iteration.
Great way to short change his then wife Marcia Lucas, who was probably responsible for keeping all his stupid dialogue in check.
In the end, f* George Lucas and his salt. The Force Awakens is fantastic. It took 32 years, but we, the fans, finally have a proper film based in the Star Wars universe.
I also believe much of his nonsense modifications to the originals were to avoid paying royalties to those who contributed to the originals by relabeling them as new releases. I'm guessing if you edit/change x amount of content, the film is considered a different entity than the first iteration.
Great way to short change his then wife Marcia Lucas, who was probably responsible for keeping all his stupid dialogue in check.
In the end, f* George Lucas and his salt. The Force Awakens is fantastic. It took 32 years, but we, the fans, finally have a proper film based in the Star Wars universe.
Spieler Eins
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He says some interesting things in that interview, but he's just completely contradicting himself. PT is full of old shit. How is the new movie not a family soap opera? He critiques all these money-making orientated movie choices, yet there's Ewoks and everything from that point on... Even at one point he just straight up says ,,no" to a direct quote from himself he's told, lol.
triplestation
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Its not even his son, its his sons dead.. Let's use dog cause sons kind of harsh to use..
So lucas' dog dies and he sells it to disney and disney stuffs it and rigs it with mechatronics so it moves like when it was alive but its pretty convincing but george is like ew that's the force awakens
HP_Wuvcraft
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This is the best reply out of all the delusional fucking fanboy replies in this thread.
UnforgivenTwin
Member
You understand my underlying point though. Selling shit has always been a big part of Star Wars.
Yeah I don't know. I used to subscribe to that thought before watching the movie, but Abrams was apparently in near-complete control, and so much of the movie is so much like ANH. Obviously it was by design, and I don't think it was borne from an actual creative screenwriting standpoint. It's stuff like Kylo Ren. That character exists so that there was a Vader lookalike in the movie, and afterwards Abrams and company figured out how to have a Vader lookalike fit into the story they were assembling. Then there's reported stuff on how Arndt's script was rewritten in order to put more of the original actors into the movie.
Then there's the real obviousness, like how this movie exists solely because Disney paid 4 billion for the rights. Personally, I have a hard time putting something like out of my mind, and for all of the prequels' failings (I don't like any of them), it's hard not to consider TFA the equivalent of big budget fan fiction without the involvement of the original creator.
Get off your high horse.
Of course they don't lol.
Also Funny you mention that, as there's a lot of old EU material hellbent on filling the plot holes between movies in the OT. Difference is only that George Lucas wasn't involved. And fans used them as their explanations for years
Second your critique is a problem of ANH itself. Not the prequels. Ben Kenobi and Luke Skywalker and specially Darth Vader were not intended to be who they are in later films, the Vader reveal implied tons of retcons and plot holes.
You're clearly taking the script religiously literal at some parts but still have "interpretations" of the parts that work for your argument. I should know, I'm Catholic.
brandonh83
Banned
To be fair the PT is a lot different and has its own flavor of creativity than the originals, at least artistically. TFA is closer to the OT in that regard so what he's saying makes complete sense.
well I agree with the fanfiction feeling. It's hard not to feel that this isn't the true Ep VII
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
.... it's a movie.
Made by the people that own the franchise.
Yes. It is actually a Star Wars film.
JJ didn't direct Cloverfield, that was Matt Reeves.
JJ is still kind of a hack director, if we're being perfectly honest with ourselves here.
You mentioned television, he also only worked on the pilot of Lost. JJ is real good at putting his name on things.
Probably because it's Episode IV.
I would of regreted it as well. I had a hard time staying awake during the last 30 mins of this movie. It's by miles the worst Star wars movie ever made and most likely the most boring pos movie to have made so much money riding on nostalgia.
Its only loved on the internet as Ive never met someone in real life who didnt think it was garbage including all Star wars fans I know. Probably just a bunch of millenial kids who wish it was good so hard they taste steak in their mouths when all they got served recycled roadkill.
It has a funny moment worth watching thou:
I laughed my ass off along with a bunch of people on the theater when we saw the new death Star destroy like 15 planets and shit like wtf is this shit omg
Its only loved on the internet as Ive never met someone in real life who didnt think it was garbage including all Star wars fans I know. Probably just a bunch of millenial kids who wish it was good so hard they taste steak in their mouths when all they got served recycled roadkill.
It has a funny moment worth watching thou:
I laughed my ass off along with a bunch of people on the theater when we saw the new death Star destroy like 15 planets and shit like wtf is this shit omg
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
A retread was just what the franchise needed... brought the old back with a little new.. didn't try to do anything crazy.. and set things up for the future.
If the next movie doesn't deliver on that promise it'll look worse for it.. but I'm satisfied.
I can't say that all about the prequels. I wouldn't have any bothered to go see THIS one if Lucas made it.. and I'm sure I'm not alone.
If the next movie doesn't deliver on that promise it'll look worse for it.. but I'm satisfied.
I can't say that all about the prequels. I wouldn't have any bothered to go see THIS one if Lucas made it.. and I'm sure I'm not alone.
The entire Star Wars saga from day 1 has been a corporate product. Why do think this is a new event 30+ years after the fact was established? Is this simply the counter-culture positioning?
SW has had an excess of marketing, merchandising and cross-promotion since 1977 or thereabouts. Stop pretending it was anything different and just enjoy it or dislike it based on whatever.
veloxStrix
Banned
He produced it, my bad. It's been a while since I thought about it.
Then... nothing. Abrams has directed zero movies I thought were particularly good.
Was a notable bomb. Cult following has saved it somewhat and it's likely been profitable on home video.
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