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LttP: Akira or WTF did I just watch?
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Red Scarlet
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I wish I could remember that fan movie someone made, it was like 'live action vs anime' or something, and had clips of different anime and movies..like Luke Skywalker would die over and over in it, the T2 terminator fought the Bubblegum Crisis people or something like that, Star Trek Picard guy was a villain and fought the anime Yamato (using clips from a Star Trek episode where they fought a spaceship called the Yamato) or something like that. Tetsuo killed the universe or something at the end of it I think.
It probably sucks super bad now, but when I first saw bits of it in the late 90's it sounded pretty cool.
It probably sucks super bad now, but when I first saw bits of it in the late 90's it sounded pretty cool.
Warm Machine
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Its a beautiful 2 hour animation spectacle without a story that anyone can honestly understand. I have my own ideas of what it all is trying to say but because the movie doesn't even try to inform the audience I think it is a failure.
LINK.AGE76
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I'm 35 minutes into the movie and I have no idea what's going on. The animation is amazing tho for its time.
Boogie9IGN
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I have this dvd to watch soon but I'm hesitant to see it. Half of what I see if that the movie is garbage and the other half says its a masterpiece
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It'll be fine if you go in expecting pretty pictures. If you go in expecting some deep meaningful film, you'll come away enraged...Boogie9IGN said:
People dislike AKira now? Whut? I thought the mind fuck combined with amazing art was appealing? Did you want fan service?
"Brief outline of Akira:
After a psychic blast by a young boy called Akira destroys most of Japan, it is rebuilt
as Neo Tokyo. 31 years later, Tetsuo, a member of a bike gang crashes into a child
with psychic powers. Similar powers begin to awaken in him and he uses it
destructively to prove to his gang and the word that he's not a weak child anymore
and shouldn't be treated as such. Tetsuo's powers grow beyond his physical capacity
as his girlfriend, his bike gang and the army try to save him from destroying himself
and Neo Tokyo."
"Brief outline of Akira:
After a psychic blast by a young boy called Akira destroys most of Japan, it is rebuilt
as Neo Tokyo. 31 years later, Tetsuo, a member of a bike gang crashes into a child
with psychic powers. Similar powers begin to awaken in him and he uses it
destructively to prove to his gang and the word that he's not a weak child anymore
and shouldn't be treated as such. Tetsuo's powers grow beyond his physical capacity
as his girlfriend, his bike gang and the army try to save him from destroying himself
and Neo Tokyo."
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
"Mess" does not equal "mind fuck".DeathNote said:
When I first watched it in the 90s I had much the same reaction. Watching it again recently it is apparent Otomo was perhaps a little too ambitious, but it definitely holds up if you pay attention. A film with few compromises.
Also made me realise what a year 1988 was for animation; Akira, My Neighbour Totoro and Grave of the Fireflies.
If the live-action Hollywood version pans out, it will suck the big one, though.
Also made me realise what a year 1988 was for animation; Akira, My Neighbour Totoro and Grave of the Fireflies.
If the live-action Hollywood version pans out, it will suck the big one, though.
i hope you continue thinking this because then if its really great you will be ever so pleased. as of now, saying something like this doesn't make any sense since there is nothing set in stone about the film.Scipius said:
really? well maybe theres a connection between them. i love them all, so maybe i just like the certain things that are common between them whereas they aren't your taste.Red Scarlet said:
I understood everything the first time I watched it except the end until I read the book. I think it's key you engross yourself in the world and not judge it by high school concepts of impossibilities that make you recoil and say dude or even slight pretention that brings you to analyze until thermodynamics come into play. It's very easy to understand when it's not a puzzle piece meant to fit into some arbitrary view of the world.
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Vorador said:
Otomo didn't make it like that. In fact, the manga's ending wasn't even written when he started making the movie! He considered them two completely different works.
Boogie9IGN said:
Just watch it by understanding that the movie is about Kaneda and Tetsuo's relationship.
The reason we don't figure this out until the end is because Kaneda himself has "forgotten" what used to bind him and Tetsuo together, so like the audience we don't understand Tetsuo until the end. That's the very point of the movie; Tetsuo trying to bound with his best friend once more, in a world that prevents him from communicating his emotions. Only after getting the super powers does he try to express himself, but with devastating results, and only then do we understand what was happening, just like Kaneda realizes only at this point. It's meant to be a mind fuck until Tetsuo stops his devastation. We're only supposed to "get it" when Kaneda "gets it".
I'll try to get my hands on a copy so I can make a youtube review exploring this. Almost all the points of the movie work perfectly together.
Also, anyone who likes the music should definitly look into Geinoh Yamashirogumi albums. Ecophony Rinne especially.
btkadams said:
My faith in Hollywood is nonexistent. The chance that it will be produced as some summer sci-fi American action flick is too great. Akira is a great film because something on that scale did not yet exist in animation; the fact that it was also made by the original creator only added to its impact. Any Hollywood remake will have none of this.
gutter_trash
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TheExodu5 said:
this is why I loath Akira
Red Scarlet
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btkadams said:
It could be. Akira, Vampire Hunter D, and Ghost in the Shell were among the very first anime movies I ever watched, and I did not like any of them..I think BGC was the first thing I somewhat enjoyed then got into tv series afterward.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I have only had the one avatar.DeathNote said:
cryptic said:
Thats just stupid, me listing them for you. You can either think of them or not.
jett said:Well, isn't it considered one of the best?
It's at least the best animated, Steamboy excepting.
Sure I have no problem with it being the best art and how it has influenced since on and stuff like that but that for me does not make it a good film.
You may hate the movie, but you cannot hate the music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-wv4pFodIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdMO6Sat4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lOPDD_p5u0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNk2RmCgtEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-wv4pFodIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdMO6Sat4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lOPDD_p5u0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNk2RmCgtEQ
It's hard since I only have a ps3 and controller to type with now.Sanjay said:
Grave of the Fireflies
most ghibli movies
popular macross movies
wind called amnesia
x
ninja scroll
...etc.
It's a bit unfair to judge it against series so let me retract that comment about being better than all animes but I do feel a series based on the manga could also hang with the other animes. I do not like GITS at all even though I find it neat when everything come's together.
Meesh
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Long time Akira fan here, I just wanted to say as a completely random opinion, that the Orion home video eng dub release is superior to the digital version released a few years back. Yeah, your probably thinking I'm on crack because the new release is obviously the accurate translation and the vhs is the WTF translation. I love the old tape for the acting though, that's where it shines, it's not always what is said so much as it is how it's said. The original version maintains the gist or concept of the story and still manages to walk away with two righteous black eyes and a handful of bloody chiclets above the new release. The acting well preserved teen angst and rebellion in a society deprived of any respect or sense of morale, you can just feel it in their voices. The new version, while probably accurate to a T, left me a little empty.( forget about nostalgia) The life of the characters, the connection that was present before wasn't there anymore...but it does look good...and is still to this day the number one anime which all others are compared to.
To me, Akira is only about the struggle to survive in impossible situations, the need for identity, our detrimental relation to everything we touch, and our spiritual position in the universe.
To me, Akira is only about the struggle to survive in impossible situations, the need for identity, our detrimental relation to everything we touch, and our spiritual position in the universe.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDm4FoWEpOA&NR=1Himuro said:
That was the first GitS movie. Akira's about a jerk turning into a blob.evilink said:
Akira is a milestone for animation films because it was an animated film targeted at an adult audience, based on a popular manga. The story is over condensed, and isn't very good to begin with. The animation and music is AWESOME, and so are the action sequences. Outside of Japan, it gained popularity because there was a boob scene and there's tons of violence. There really isn't anything to "get", but I think most people who are interested in animation should watch Akira at least once, just to know what it's like. It's not a great movie, but it was definitely sort of revolutionary.
RurouniZel
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duckroll said:
This is very true, it was one of the first animated movies people saw in the US that was aimed squarely at adults but also had superb animation that was highly detailed beyond what most of us grew up with (read: Disney). The plot didn't make much sense, but at the time that didn't really bother us either. It was the start of something grand, something we had never experienced before.
High quality, highly detailed animation aimed at more mature audiences.
BattleMonkey
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I don't understand what people don't get about Akira. It's like people who act all "wha wha whaaaat?" about Evangelion. These have very simple plots but with some dialogue to spark thought and people turn off their brains? "this doesn't make any sense!"..... but they spelt out the entire plot to you...
TheJollyCorner
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Evilink said:
I feel the same about the Carl Macek/STREAMLINE PICTURES dub of The Castle of Cagliostro. I wish I could have that version on DVD.
Gamer @ Heart
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I was just as confused as you guys. All i could think about during the last 5 minutes was 2001 A Space Oddessy.
Four_Chamber
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TheExodu5 said:
The English dub is actually semi-decent but I don't think its going to enhance your experience.
I agree with the majority of the sentiment in this thread. I dabble in a lot of postmodern philosophy and this movie didn't really excite me in terms of plot. I watched it once several years back and rewatched it fairly recently- I still sit there scratching my head at several points during the film.
Animation wise it is really an outstanding piece of art though and still holds up very well.
Meesh
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It suuuuuuuuuure is, and they did that well. Name any other jerk/blob animated works that have been given so much praise.Freshmaker said:
I agree with you, American audiences latched on to boob shots and violence because there weren't a lot of anime(animation in general?) at the time with adult content that were given so much exposure. The story though I think is underrated as far as animated features are concerened. The human race, much like Tetsuo's growth from child to super human, to blob, to anti matter uber energy, (or whatever he is supposed to be) is still trying to figure out why we exist, our evolution, the next big step. Along the way in our pursuit we leave a trail of devastation, killing our natural resources, the planet, each other, the list goes on. So where do we go when we've achieved everything that is within our understanding, how do we adapt or grow within a changing ecology, what does the human race(world) do when they've become so obsessed with self gratification that they choose to ignore the warning signs of their current situation? We will either die off, or evolve and move forward...(or maybe move to some other planet to fuck up). The forces at work within the film, surrounding the characters, align so well with our own predicament. Right down to the subtle things, the need to fit in, importance of family, pride, honor, or whatever. We're still looking to see where we come from, and searching for a way to get some where else, regardless of what's going on in the now. The themes in Akira are timeless, that's why people keep watching it, that and bitch'n animation, sound track.duckroll said:
....yeah, there's that boob thing too, the violence, and some cool bikes and stuff...
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Evilink said:It suuuuuuuuuure is, and they did that well. Name any other jerk/blob animated works that have been given so much praise.
Dunno if sporadic CG counts tho.
Picked up the Blu-Ray recently too, but now I have this problem:
1) The Blu-ray lacks the old dub, so I have to keep my DVD of it with the old dub on.
2) The Blu-Ray also lacks all the extras of the OTHER DVD release, so I've ended up with three copies of this movie.
Was is so hard to just put the old dub and extras on the Blu-Ray? Fucking hell. :lol
1) The Blu-ray lacks the old dub, so I have to keep my DVD of it with the old dub on.
2) The Blu-Ray also lacks all the extras of the OTHER DVD release, so I've ended up with three copies of this movie.
Was is so hard to just put the old dub and extras on the Blu-Ray? Fucking hell. :lol
Stabby McSter
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sadly this is the only thing i really remember of the movieElectricBlue187 said:
NaughtyCalibur
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Don't feel bad. In all honesty I'm not sure why I enjoyed it as much as I did. Ironically, I fucking hate Neon Genesis Evangelion, which had some very similar elements.
Smelly Tramp
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Complaining about the movie not making sense even though you have a Death Note avatar. That's rich.
...and you don't like Blade Runner? What the hell man.
...and you don't like Blade Runner? What the hell man.
NaughtyCalibur
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What about Death Note didn't make sense? One of its problems was that at times it made too much sense and started roaming into the realm of pretentiousness.Smelly Tramp said:
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