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Doom Game Informer Details
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Smurfman256
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I will say to anybody who's afraid that this game will still have the same issues that id Tech 5 had (texture pop-in) that, when I played the Alpha on PC, pop-in was minimal at worst (you could see it when the level first loaded up and sometimes when you respawned but that was it). Not sure about consoles, but considering that both the PS4 and Xbox One both support Tiled Resources by hardware (I.E. on the GPU) that it should be the same on consoles.
kinaesthete
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Assuming this is their plan, and it could be given their history with the Rage toolset, it would be wise to release it a few months after launch at worst. The Rage editor was DOA because of multiple factors: too late, too high leaning curve, too high system reqs, and of course the thing where nobody gave a shit about the game anymore. If DOOM is a hit and has a gameplay sandbox worthy of tons of levels to keep it fresh, a lot of those problems won't matter anymore. A nice feature could be letting players use idstudio to extend SnapMap, adding more rooms and more configurations, that would probably be difficult to make happen though if a completely different studio is handling SM development...
Some good info in there, will add to the OP.
The perfect Dark
Banned
How about releasing Doom1+2 on psn (for PS4?)
Everyone at iD plays DOOM with a controller
Why? After playing the X1 beta i hated using the controller. I want fast accurate movement, something a controller don't (at least for me).
Not for me at least.
kinaesthete
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I want to say it's to make sure the game always plays OK with the least precise option, but the cynic in me says its that folks over there genuinely prefer using a controller now even for a relatively fast paced shooter. Fucked up
I do not understand that either.
Sadly, you're right.
2blackcats
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Listen to this person. The ps3 Doom pack is pretty comprehensive. Release that on PS4,capitalise on that hype...
ThoseDeafMutes
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Mix of old and new can definitely work. Wolfenstein was exactly that. It can fuck up too, it just depends on execution.
Pretty much this. Again after playing the alpha my hopes went high up
So people can try to build old Doom games in the editor?
Can they be shares via the web?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
between that and the SnapMap non-mod support thing, its pretty obvious this is made with consoles in mind.
Yeah...I mean I played the alpha on PS4 and loved it, but after I finished I said "man, imagine how badass this will be on my PC." Seeing as how I didn't get into the PC alpha. Now I'm hesitant to get it on what I figured would have been the best platform.
Anyone get into the alpha on PC? Thoughts?
PetulantChild
Banned
Leveling up in a DOOM game? Perks in a DOOM game? No mods in a DOOM game? For the love of god, what are they thinking?
That's kinda a stupid question now that I think about it, they're thinking "Lowest common denominator, dumb it down, highest profits"
That's kinda a stupid question now that I think about it, they're thinking "Lowest common denominator, dumb it down, highest profits"
Fahzgoolin
Banned
The fact that they apparently use a controller almost exclusively makes me sick to my stomach.
I love my Halo, but a fast paced shooter needs a mouse for unlocked potential. This almost certainly means that it's being designed with a controller in the forefront of their minds. This means that it won't play like classic doom.
I hope I'm wrong.
I love my Halo, but a fast paced shooter needs a mouse for unlocked potential. This almost certainly means that it's being designed with a controller in the forefront of their minds. This means that it won't play like classic doom.
I hope I'm wrong.
kinaesthete
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Yes and yes. Keyword is "try" in that first one, it probably won't be able to even halfway recreate a single map from the originals with it. There's some footage here, the actual level geometry is all snapped together pre-made rooms with some slight variations you can switch between.
Well, it's pretty clear it doesn't play anything like classic Doom based on the footage shown. The marketing bullet points for it constantly repeating that it does is absurd, but understandable if they want the millions of people who played Doom in the 90s and don't care anymore to pay attention to this one.
Sweet. I hope this works as good on consoles.
Smurfman256
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1) Yes, but judging by Marty Stratton's reaction to a certain question, it seels like there'll be Wolfenstein-style secrets where you can play classic levels from the original games.
2) All SnapMap content can be shared over the interwebs; that was the whole point of it.
SmoothRunningGun
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It is for me. I'm sure it will play fine on pc as well.
Wolfenstein had more going for it, though. Ads focused mainly on the narrative and tone alongside the call-back gameplay. Wolfenstein also didn't go as far as Doom, didn't play up the throwback angle to such a degree.
So design like this can work, sure, but only when you've got something else going on. If Doom 4 wants to trade exclusively on "hey remember Doom?" then its got to really commit.
callsignkrogan
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some things I am happy about and others I am not. Definitely going to wait for reviews on this one.
WTF? I can understand some guys using a controller but I don't get why all of them would be. That seems to be a bad omen.
The original games were not keycard simulators at all. I have no idea what the fuck that guy is talking about.
Bloodporne
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Pretty bizarre quote and pretty patronizing to some amazing level design.
blame space
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"Keycard simulator" is kind of blowing my mind.
Lord of Castamere
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I wonder if it'd be possible to create a L4D type versus mode in the muti...
dr_rus
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Pop-in is minimal in all Tech5 games on modern h/w.
Banderdash
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Was Doom the game where the protagonist got turned into some kind of mutilated part demon, with a human face?
New Doom wants to emulate original games, not popular Doom mods. Sure, it may feel like Brutal Doom, but that is not the full intent of the devs.
Cipher Peon
Banned
Damn, you couldn't have let me down any more gently, could you
And I actually haven't played REmake, even though I LOVE the original Resi (even though it's nowhere near spoopy).
Sorry, friend. We just want different things in Diablo 4, and that's okay!
Tomasoares
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It's cool that they are keeping in mind lots of stuff from the originals. Still, it worries me that they don't get to handle well the monster encounters. I really hope this doesn't get to be a horde kind of game, just like the last Shadow Warrior. Doom is all about smart monster placement, taking cover or running when necessary and dealing with difficult and planned LD-wise situations.
Fleshfeast
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You're thinking of Quake 4.
So far im really impressed by how well they have captured the original Doom's feel. People are giving ID way too much shit over this game and probably dont remember what made the original games so great. Just from the videos ive seen it really seems like they were able to nail that feeling that made those games so much fun. Other than the stupid glowing body parts im liking everything theyve been able to accomplish.
Doom is about never standing the same place too long/ constantly moving while dodging incoming fire. Circle strafing and juking rockets while blowing shit up! I wonder if the Wolfenstien guys are helping out at all.
Doom is about never standing the same place too long/ constantly moving while dodging incoming fire. Circle strafing and juking rockets while blowing shit up! I wonder if the Wolfenstien guys are helping out at all.
Dictator93
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Eh.... I think the cost of 64 or 128 page updates is rather absurd in something like WOlfenstein. It destroys most pcs. Likewise, uncompressing textures also takes away quite a bit of performance.
modding weapons and upgrades is kind of strange.
i am more concerned about:
DOOMs gameplay wasnt necessarily strong for vertical battles, mainly because before you couldnt look up, so this will definitely change up the original dynamic quite a bit. The swarm/wave approach being head on really elevated the games use of maneuvering because you had to strafe/shoot and run.
ultimately it is probably for the better, but i'd rather it be more plateau like, and less claustrophobic/vertical in design. I'll be picking it up either way.
i am more concerned about:
DOOMs gameplay wasnt necessarily strong for vertical battles, mainly because before you couldnt look up, so this will definitely change up the original dynamic quite a bit. The swarm/wave approach being head on really elevated the games use of maneuvering because you had to strafe/shoot and run.
ultimately it is probably for the better, but i'd rather it be more plateau like, and less claustrophobic/vertical in design. I'll be picking it up either way.
Bloodporne
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Image of the Baron Of Hell posted in an article. Haven't seen this mentioned here yet I think?
MattGalvatron
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If you liked the new wolf. You will probably like this...if you hated the new wolf, you probably wont. It will feel like doom but it wont be your nostalgia glasses 90s doom. It 2016, for them to be a mix of old and new is a good thing so many negative people in this thread.
The ideal mix of new and old for me is Brutal Doom. Not so much the presentation but rather the gameplay changes both overt and subtle. The gunplay is miles ahead of any modern commercial FPS I've played, and it adds a lot of modern conveniences without ever really compromising the original formula (it only gets noticable in the more extreme usermade slaughterhouse maps that were surgically balanced with the original gameplay in mind).
Smurfman256
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Bloodporne
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I still haven't played Brutal Doom, need to rectify this stat by the sound of everyone's comments here. What do I need if you wouldn't mind giving a quick breakdown for a PC dummy? Doom WADs and the Brutal Doom website I imagine and that's about it?