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[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

Multiplatforms matter when you're talking about a portable system. The game has been ported to tons of home platforms, but goodness knows I'd pay full retail price for a high quality Vita port of Resident Evil 4. It's one of my favorite games, is widely considered one of the greatest games of all time, and despite all the ports, there isn't a good portable option for the game.

 

[Yasumi]

As a proud Vita owner, I must say all those japanese games makes me think it is, indeed, dead.

PS4 and Steam confirmed dead for 2016/2017.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

PS4 and Steam confirmed dead for 2016/2017.

Nope, because PS4 and Steam aren't confined in japanese games. If you like them, cool, enjoy. I don't.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Nope, because PS4 and Steam aren't confined in japanese games. If you like them, cool, enjoy. I don't.

Neither is the Vita.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Neither is the Vita.

I disagree.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1164968

If there were some big western titles to balance things out, I wouldn't call it dead. But there isn't, so it's dead to me.

 

[NinjamicWZ]

Other than LittleBigPlanet (which came out amazing), the only existing first party ips I ever wanted to come to Vita were Ape Escape and Tokyo Jungle.

Ape Escape, because I know the interface gimmicks of the hardware would have been turned out to the max with the gadgets in a game like that. It would have been like Tearaway on steroids.

Tokyo Jungle because it was a game design and budget tier that lent itself well to handheld, a Vita sequel wouldn't have had to up the ante too much and would have been a great get for the system.

I still want those -_-

 

[autoduelist]

Good list, but there are many I can't wait for that aren't even on the list -- dragon quest builders, trillion, god wars, just to name a few. But they do have my #1 want, Stranger of Sword City.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

I disagree.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1164968

If there were some big western titles to balance things out, I wouldn't call it dead. But there isn't, so it's dead to me.

Oh now it's big western titles. I thought that they were only japanese games on it?

Are Assassin's Creed, Civilization, Games of Thrones, Lego Marvel Avengers big enough or they don't count too?

 

[18-Volt]

I just got a vita. this thing owns, why isn't it a huge success?

It didn't have any GTA or Monster Hunter games. Success comes with them.

Not too impressed by the list. Vita will always be remembered as the handheld that had so much potential to me.

As a proud Vita owner, I must say all those japanese games makes me think it is, indeed, dead.

I wonder what would all of you guys who think Vita is dead by looking at that list think about 3DS:

Final Fantasy Explorers
Fire Emblem Fates
Project X Zone 2
Bravely Second
Popolocrois
Hyrule Warriors Legends
Dragon Quest 7
Dragon Quest 8
Dragon Quest 11
DQMJ2
Yokai Watch 2-3
Snack World
Yokai Busters
SMT4 Final
Ace Attorney 6
MHX
MH Stories
and that new Harvest Moon game.

 

[flatearthpandas]

I'm not defensive I just wonder how is it relevant at all to the situation or even different for other platforms. There's plenty of thread asking for Bioshock, RDR, and many other games to be rereleased on next gen, people were excited to know that backward compatibility is going to be available on XB1, people were excited to know that some PS2 games were going to be available on PS4, people were excited to know that Gravity Rush, Tearaway, The Uncharted games and The Last of Us were coming to the PS4,people are excited about Twilight Princess HD, people are excited at the year old port of japanese games releasing on PC. It's the same everywhere.

The article wanted to show (at least that's my understanding) that the Vita is still getting a wide array of games, but what it didn't account for is the apathy towards the Vita. The games were never the problem, it was the platform, people just didn't want to buy a handheld. It's clear when you see thread about Gravity Rush etc...

Sure, people enjoy ports and remasters. Even Nintendo owners. But we are in the height of preorder culture: people like getting hyped and buying things day one. If these games had launch parity, I believe the system would get a lot more respect without the need for people to prove anything.

Gravity Rush is about the only example I can think of for the bolded. What other games do you mean. As I understand it, Tearaway PS4 did pretty poorly.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Sure, people enjoy ports and remasters. Even Nintendo owners. But we are in the height of preorder culture: people like getting hyped and buying things day one. If these games had launch parity, I believe the system would get a lot more respect without the need for people to prove anything.

Gravity Rush is about the only example I can think of for the bolded. What other games do you mean. As I understand it, Tearaway PS4 did pretty poorly.

It was getting a lot of indies day and date with the console version with the whole cross buy initiative, at that time people were saying "Heh it's already out on PC anyways". The japanese games were de facto day and date since the Vita version was often the lead version and then ported on other system and western non indies were never a factor except Ubisoft which released Lumines and Rayman Origins at launch with Legends day and date with the other versions. Need for speed and FIFA also released at the same dates as the other platforms.

Killzone, Uncharted, Wipeout and even sometimes Soul Sacrifice were requested. Even Tearaway was heavily requested but as you said it didn't translated in sales.

Some threads I remember:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1134881

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1052549

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=969545

 

[flatearthpandas]

I wonder what would all of you guys who think Vita is dead by looking at that list think about 3DS:

Final Fantasy Explorers
Fire Emblem Fates
Project X Zone 2
Bravely Second
Popolocrois
Hyrule Warriors Legends
Dragon Quest 7
Dragon Quest 8
Dragon Quest 11
DQMJ2
Yokai Watch 2-3
Snack World
Yokai Busters
SMT4 Final
Ace Attorney 6
MHX
MH Stories
and that new Harvest Moon game.

Do you really wonder? What am I missing?

One release date parity (though inferior) multiplat, one remake, one late and inferior port, one regular (multiple gen old) inferior port, 10 exclusives from recognized and respected developers in mostly recognized franchises, and two games I don't know.

 

[ArtHands]

I think this is due to the different standards that the vita fans have in comparison with the rest of the gaming industry.

No offense to the devs, but most of these are the lower C-tier games (B tier at best) on other platforms, hence most gamers wouldn't bat an eyelid to them. You wouldn't find much of these multi-plat games in the same list for other platforms, as there are many other A and B titles on those platforms which easily overshadow these C-tier games. And suppose they have run out of the A and B tier games to play on those platforms, they can access much of these C-tier titles too without a Vita.

In the eyes of vita fans, this is very impressive i guess, especially if they only have a vita. But mostly for those who have at least one other platform, its not at all interesting.

 

[Siege.exe]

I think this is due to the different standards that the vita fans have in comparison with the rest of the gaming industry.

No offense to the devs, but most of these are the lower C-tier games (B tier at best) on other platforms, hence most gamers wouldn't bat an eyelid to them. You wouldn't find much of these multi-plat games in the same list for other platforms, as there are many other A and B titles on those platforms which easily overshadow these C-tier games. And suppose they have run out of the A and B tier games to play on those platforms, they can access much of these C-tier titles too without a Vita.

In the eyes of vita fans, this is very impressive i guess, especially if they only have a vita. But mostly for those who have at least one other platform, its not at all interesting.

What exactly is the criteria for these tiers you've made up?

 

[Zeta Oni]

Multiplatforms matter when you're talking about a portable system. The game has been ported to tons of home platforms, but goodness knows I'd pay full retail price for a high quality Vita port of Resident Evil 4. It's one of my favorite games, is widely considered one of the greatest games of all time, and despite all the ports, there isn't a good portable option for the game.

That would be amazing.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

What exactly is the criteria for these tiers you've made up?

Going to assume A = AAA, B = niche, but not too niche, C = indie/super niche. Because obviously no game that had any form of budget can be considered among the top, even if many of the "top" are shit themselves.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Oh now it's big western titles. I thought that they were only japanese games on it?

Are Assassin's Creed, Civilization, Games of Thrones, Lego Marvel Avengers big enough or they don't count too?

WOW! Four games! OMG.

I wonder what would all of you guys who think Vita is dead by looking at that list think about 3DS:

Final Fantasy Explorers
Fire Emblem Fates
Project X Zone 2
Bravely Second
Popolocrois
Hyrule Warriors Legends
Dragon Quest 7
Dragon Quest 8
Dragon Quest 11
DQMJ2
Yokai Watch 2-3
Snack World
Yokai Busters
SMT4 Final
Ace Attorney 6
MHX
MH Stories
and that new Harvest Moon game.

Speaking for myself, I don't really care about japanese games, so why should I bother with a Nintendo console?

 

[Pellegri Testament]

WOW! Four games! OMG.

I'm really not sure what you're expecting at this point, it's been known for over a year now that AAA companies are done putting any meaningful amount of effort into the system. You either like the niche or you like the limited amount of older higher budget games, because very few bigger games are going to come to the system anymore, especially not of the Western developer variety.

 

[Yasumi]

I think this is due to the different standards that the vita fans have in comparison with the rest of the gaming industry.

No offense to the devs, but most of these are the lower C-tier games (B tier at best) on other platforms, hence most gamers wouldn't bat an eyelid to them. You wouldn't find much of these multi-plat games in the same list for other platforms, as there are many other A and B titles on those platforms which easily overshadow these C-tier games. And suppose they have run out of the A and B tier games to play on those platforms, they can access much of these C-tier titles too without a Vita.

In the eyes of vita fans, this is very impressive i guess, especially if they only have a vita. But mostly for those who have at least one other platform, its not at all interesting.

 

[Thoraxes]

Most of those games I own on other platforms or will be buying on other platforms.

I suppose the list is good for people who only own a Vita though.

Also they forgot Trails of Cold Steel II, but I'll be getting that and playing it 95% of the time on PS3.

 

[Alvarez]

List of 25 upcoming Wii U titles that prove the Wii U ain't dead:

 

[Mass_Pincup]

WOW! Four games! OMG.



Speaking for myself, I don't really care about japanese games, so why should I bother with a Nintendo console?

Yes 4 games outside of the hundreds you've excluded lol.

I think this is due to the different standards that the vita fans have in comparison with the rest of the gaming industry.

No offense to the devs, but most of these are the lower C-tier games (B tier at best) on other platforms, hence most gamers wouldn't bat an eyelid to them. You wouldn't find much of these multi-plat games in the same list for other platforms, as there are many other A and B titles on those platforms which easily overshadow these C-tier games. And suppose they have run out of the A and B tier games to play on those platforms, they can access much of these C-tier titles too without a Vita.

In the eyes of vita fans, this is very impressive i guess, especially if they only have a vita. But mostly for those who have at least one other platform, its not at all interesting.

I have an Xbox One, a PS4, a PS3, a 3DS and a PC yet the Vita is still appealing to me, not because of that list though.

 

[FriedConsole]

As somebody who doesn't play many Japanese niche games, there is always new stuff to play every month. The indies are slowing down and it is disappointing. Still lots to look forward to and new announcements.

 

[Sora_N]

I'm getting a couple of those day one. Vita is life.

 

[ArtHands]

Most of those games I own on other platforms or will be buying on other platforms.

I suppose the list is good for people who only own a Vita though.

Also they forgot Trails of Cold Steel II, but I'll be getting that and playing it 95% of the time on PS3.

Well exactly. Its hard to see a platform alive when most if not all it has are C tier indie titles or B-tier multi titles from other platforms which most people already have...while these other platforms has got their own respective A tier and also exclusive major titles too.

And the cheerleader effect doesn't really work here.

 

[jwk94]

Early Vita was great for me, but now that we're down to niche Japanese games and indies I can get on my PS4 or PC if i choose, I don't really play the thing much anymore. The only time i'll fire it up is when I want to play Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus. Right now I'm trying to decide if I want Estival Versus on PS4 or Vita and honestly, I'm probably going to go with PS4 because I don't really see a reason to get the Vita version. I'm hapy with my purchase because Gravity Rush and a bunch of the early games (hell, even some of the early ports were ace), but I can't really say I'm ecstatic about it anymore.

I was consideraing getting AC Chronicles on Vita even though I have China on PS4, but I can't convince myself to pull the trigger, especially without cross-save. It's just not worth it for me.

I think right now, the Vita is great for people who want ports on a portable console or japanese niche games.

 

[Flunkie]

here's my list I would have chosen, mind you they chose to cover a wide spectrum of genres.

Atelier Sophie
Atelier Shallie Plus
13 Sentinels
Danganronpa 3
Trails of Cold Steel II
Bloodstained
Dungeon Travelers 2-2
Demon Gaze 2
Exist Archive
Grand Kingdom
Dragon Quest Heroes II
The Sorrow of Sacrifice and Snow
Summon Night 6
Digimon Next Order
The Asterisk War: The Academy City of the Water Houka Kenran
MegaTagmension Blanc + Neptune VS Zombies
Trillion: God of Destruction
Rose and the Old Castle of Twilight
Hero Must Die
God Wars
Yomawari
Tokyo Xanadu
SaGa Scarlet Grace
Ys
Dragon Quest Builders
Odin Sphere
God Eater
Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization
Project Setsuna

I'm gonna be poor!

This needs to go in the OP

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Nope, because PS4 and Steam aren't confined in japanese games. If you like them, cool, enjoy. I don't.

Why would you get a Vita if you don't care for Japanese games? Surely Tearaway and Uncharted weren't enough.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

No Dragon Quest Heroes 2?

 

[jwk94]

Why would you get a Vita if you don't care for Japanese games? Surely Tearaway and Uncharted weren't enough.

Unit 13 =(

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Well exactly. Its hard to see a platform alive when most if not all it has are C tier indie titles or B-tier multi titles from other platforms which most people already have...while these other platforms has got their own respective A tier and also exclusive major titles too.

And the cheerleader effect doesn't really work here.

Nice. Hopefully AE comes to PC and PS4 as well

hopefully a persona 4 the golden PC edition or something

Dragon's Crown
Muramasa Rebirth
13 Sentinels

Come on!!! Put them on pc!

Good. Hope it recieve a HD remaster on the PS4 (or even better, multiplatforms) for more gamers to enjoy it

But when it's for other platform the "for more gamer to enjoy it" narrative quickly fades away.

why not get a 3DS for the entire trilogy instead of port begging.

Seems like those C or D-tier games really interest you.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

Well exactly. Its hard to see a platform alive when most if not all it has are C tier indie titles or B-tier multi titles from other platforms which most people already have...while these other platforms has got their own respective A tier and also exclusive major titles too.

And the cheerleader effect doesn't really work here.

You've yet to explain where you pulled this "tier list" from, or even how you classify the tiers.

 

[Calm waterfall]

But when it's for other platform the "for more gamer to enjoy it" narrative quickly fades away.



Seems like those C or D-tier games really interest you.

Haha detective Gaf strikes again.

 

[ArtHands]

But when it's for other platform the "for more gamer to enjoy it" narrative quickly fades away.



Seems like those C or D-tier games really interest you.

Just so I have a wider range of C or D tier titles to buy and play in between the major games on other platforms.

 

[Siege.exe]

Just so I have a wider range of C or D tier titles to buy and play in between the major games on other platforms.

Persona 4 Golden is a "C or D tier" title, then?

 

[Takuan]

Was hoping for not a hero, but Google tells me the vita port was canned for technical reasons. Sucks.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Just so I have a wider range of C or D tier titles to buy and play in between the major games on other platforms.

But you said that:

You wouldn't find much of these multi-plat games in the same list for other platforms, as there are many other A and B titles on those platforms which easily overshadow these C-tier games. And suppose they have run out of the A and B tier games to play on those platforms, they can access much of these C-tier titles too without a Vita.

Keep digging though.

 

[Newtype-001]

But when it's for other platform the "for more gamer to enjoy it" narrative quickly fades away.



Seems like those C or D-tier games really interest you.

 

[Champion]

Wow maybe my tastes in gaming is changing but to me those don't change the vitas outcome at all. They all sound niche or destined to fail (AC: Chronicles anyone?)

The Vita's fate has already been decided. There is no game(s) that can turn things around for the system but at least there's a lot of games to play for those that have one.

I'd love for my 3DS to be getting the type of indie love the Vita is getting right now.

 

[bobawesome]

I don't count the multiplats.

Unless that is what you have to consider to 'keep a system alive'.

Multiplats apparently count on everything but the Vita.

 

[SarusGray]

This needs to go in the OP

 

[Jon Carter]

I thought the Vita was dead, but that was before I saw that Lego Avengers was releasing on it.

 

[Powwa]

But when it's for other platform the "for more gamer to enjoy it" narrative quickly fades away.



Seems like those C or D-tier games really interest you.

This is just perfect, lol.

 

[DrROBschiz]

I dont get the point of hating on a system that brings so much joy

 

[Yoshi]

Missing all three games I expect to buy for Vita still:
Zero Time Dilemma (I would prefer it on 3DS, but it only releases digitally in Europe, and Vita is region free)
Danganronpa 3
Steins;Gate 0

 

[redcrayon]

Well exactly. Its hard to see a platform alive when most if not all it has are C tier indie titles or B-tier multi titles from other platforms which most people already have...while these other platforms has got their own respective A tier and also exclusive major titles too.
.

When I can take a PS4 on the train I'll consider Vita versions of multiplats as being the inferior version. Why is it that so many people who rag on portables don't regard portability as a valid reason for the games to exist. If you only play at home, then fair enough, but personally a version of a game being portable makes it far and away the essential version of it for me. I realise I'm in a severe minority, but not everything needs to be aimed at the PC/XBO/PS4 crowd.

There are hundreds of upcoming Vita games, and a couple of dozen of those I'm looking forward to this year. It's a failure commercially, but that doesn't mean it's dead as a platform for gamers who value portability when so many titles are being released for it. Both can be true at the same time.

Here's my list of stuff I can't wait to play on the Vita.

Hyper light drifter
Cosmic Star Heroine
Liege
Banner Saga
Darkest Dungeon
Severed
Salt and Sanctuary
Heart forth alicia
Drifter
Steamworld heist
Slain!
Assault android cactus
Shiren the wanderer V
Crossing Souls
Timespinner
Crypt of the necrodancer
Iconoclasts
Regalia (srpg)
Pixel noir
Eitr
God Eater 2 Rage Burst
God Eater Resurrection
Stranger of Sword City
Ys 8
Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night
Trails of Cold Steel
Ray gigant
Tokyo Xanadu
World of Final Fantasy
Grand knights history
Exist Archive (2D JRPG)
Land of no night
Toukiden 2
Project Setsuna
13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim
Dragon Quest heroes 2
Demon Gaze 2
God Wars (SRPG)
Saga Scarlet Grace

 

[NoKisum]

Hyped for Senran Kagura
Keeping an eye on Shakedown Hawaii and World of Final Fantasy
Originally wanted Crypt of the NecroDancer, but its missing feature is forcing me to skip it.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Pumped for

Darkest Dungeon
Cold Steel 2
Slain
Axiom Verge
Odin Sphere
13 Sentinels
Grand Kingdom
Dragon Quest Builders
DQ Heroes 2
SAGA Scarlet Grace

And many more that I am probably forgetting about

 

[names2hard4you]

List is a bit of a letdown to be honest, and not because of the Vita's lack of games. Contrary to what many may think the system is still getting quite a few games. Whoever made the list though decided to simply not put the "good stuff" in there. Still super excited for 2016. Both indies and localizations are going to keep old little Vita running for a little longer on my side.

 

[DrROBschiz]

List is a bit of a letdown to be honest, and not because of the Vita's lack of games. Contrary to what many may think the system is still getting quite a few games. Whoever made the list though decided to simply not put the "good stuff" in there. Still super excited for 2016. Both indies and localizations are going to keep old little Vita running for a little longer on my side.

Agreed

Weak list. Though Im sure the article was written to try to pick the broadest selection of genres in order to showcase the point that its "Not Dead"

Its never been dead. Its just laser focused on ONLY serving its target audience which unfortunately doesnt charm the negative posters in this thread who cant wrap their head around the platform