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Strategic Butt Coverings - Tropes vs Women in Video Games
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SkeptiMism
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What's that?
partyphone
Banned
you mean that it would be instantly flooded with bullshit and harassment ensuring that no useful discussion could ever happen?
sensui-tomo
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Like youtube comments are worth seeing anyways.
oh no!
Memorabilia
Member
But...I like butts.
Not sure I see the problem here. Art imitates (and sometimes exaggerates) life. On a daily basis, I see far more women than men wearing tight/form-fitting clothing. Praise God for yoga pants.
Not sure I see the problem here. Art imitates (and sometimes exaggerates) life. On a daily basis, I see far more women than men wearing tight/form-fitting clothing. Praise God for yoga pants.
they can be pretty funny
Garrett Hawke
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disabling youtube comments is a form of censorship. the SJWs must've made her turn them off. right after they left tecmo koei head offices
homelessscootaloo
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As expected, Kojima's games tend to be the best because he cares so much for his characters.
Girls wear yoga pants because they are comfortable, not because they want to show off their butts.
what?
It tells you what was obvious from the start - that rationale was a lie or misdirection
Razzorn34
Member
This. It's like people never go outside. Ever see a man wearing anything close to yoga pants? Probably, but it sure isn't the norm. I can out anywhere and see women wearing form fitting clothes daily.
xZoneHunter
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I'm surprised she's still doing these.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
I wear them for both reasons!
El Sabroso
Member
this is real strategic butt covering
It wouldn't be strange or illegal at all. There are tons of sexualized high schoolers in the media and especially games. LiS just wanted to show a more normal student which is good.
You say that as if games/media in general don't sexualize high schoolers on the regular
sensui-tomo
Member
Have you not seen persona? (then again thats idol life in japan for p4's case)
The Lamonster
Member
Life is easier when you don't let every single little thing offend you. But obviously that won't pay the bills.
I advise that anyone offended by over-sexualized butts to vote with their wallet.
I advise that anyone offended by over-sexualized butts to vote with their wallet.
Lollipop Chainsaw?
Yes, these designs are made to pander to you.
that's probably because it's not male butts you're focusing on. trust me, there's plenty of form fitting pants on men too.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Also, atleast Max is 18, they emphasize that several times early on.
Aw... I was kind of bummed (har har) that she took that view. #Freethemalebutt
Still interesting video as usual.
stufte
Member
She's 18.
No, it's in college/university. She's 18 if I remember correctly.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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Compression shorts alone can account for the difference. The problem is that the range of flattering and form-fitting men's clothes doesn't get the same sort of focus in media, especially games.
John Kowalski
Banned
Max is already 18, as is much of the cast.
Except for Warren who is still 16. Making him that much more of a creep.
I remember she brought this up in a talk I saw of hers a while ago, and it honestly blew my mind how I never noticed this sort of thing. I definitely understood this in cutscenes, but it never occurred to me that the camera as it's being controlled can do the same thing. It's all about what it's framing, and what it allows to be framed.
Razzorn34
Member
I'm definitely not saying there isn't exceptions. The point is that male fashion generally does not put emphasis on ass, where as female fashion does. Games tend to exaggerate real life, so that's what we get.
toythatkills
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Isn't she in college?
Anyway, like most of these videos they raise good points in a silly way. Lines like "Lara Crofts butt is at the centre of the screen" are just odd when, in actual fact, Lara Croft is at the centre of the screen, so where else would her butt be? I's sure there is a focus on Lara's body in that game but it's an odd way to portray the idea. Seems to overlook the fact that women are simply built different to men too.
Then on the other hand, you have that fucking absurd Catwoman footage, and (some of) the stuff about men's butts being covered and there's obviously an effort by developers towards this end.
I guess I find these videos kind of scattershot. She takes aim at everyone without really considering games on a case-by-case basis, which is a shame because she clearly has good points to make.
You're right, I see men wearing capes and robes and tattered loincloths on the daily.
It's hard to disagree with most of what's being said here.
But... I mean, if I'm playing as Catwoman in the Arkham games, you better believe I'm ogling that butt. I'm drinking deep, swishing the camera around and watching it wiggle. I'll be going up against the walls and use the boundaries of where the camera can pass through to create fresh, new angles to admire it from and be mesmerised.
But... I mean, if I'm playing as Catwoman in the Arkham games, you better believe I'm ogling that butt. I'm drinking deep, swishing the camera around and watching it wiggle. I'll be going up against the walls and use the boundaries of where the camera can pass through to create fresh, new angles to admire it from and be mesmerised.
No, I just finished the first episode yesterday. Blackwell Academy is a private high school for seniors. Yes, she is 18.
Garrett Hawke
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this was me with Geralt's HairWorks beard
hikarutilmitt
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I'm feeling like it would be maybe... more timely, to use examples at least more recent than the mid-late 90s. Modern Lara, even the pre-reboot CD one, was at least somewhat less fetishy than the PSone games, even if the design in most cases is still based on the original one.
That and, while it makes a point, there are some games in there designed specifically for things like this and to be exaggerated like Lollipop Chainsaw, X-Blades, etc. It can still make the case but it's also meant to be a lot more obvious and blatant than "subversive" like just using camera angles and some well-placed boxart.
I'm with some others here though, I never thought Jade's butt was terribly prominent on the BGE cover, and certainly wasn't ever in the game. Hell, that particular piece of cover art was used in PAL regions, not the US, so most of us didn't even see it until later.
That and, while it makes a point, there are some games in there designed specifically for things like this and to be exaggerated like Lollipop Chainsaw, X-Blades, etc. It can still make the case but it's also meant to be a lot more obvious and blatant than "subversive" like just using camera angles and some well-placed boxart.
I'm with some others here though, I never thought Jade's butt was terribly prominent on the BGE cover, and certainly wasn't ever in the game. Hell, that particular piece of cover art was used in PAL regions, not the US, so most of us didn't even see it until later.
cartographer
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There are lots of examples because the point is to show the prevalence of it. Disagreeing with one or two examples doesn't change the message.
People always end up nitpicking specific examples from her videos when the reality is there are plenty of examples that could have been included instead.
I was 17 when I graduated high school
Yes. I thought about that, and added the edit just for that very reason. I couldn't quite tell what was going on because the captions were poorly written. I put the edit in to cover my butt, so to speak.
DannyDanger
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I watched it to see the butts. tbh
Zomba13
Member
They always are because they would be full of idiot angry gamergate types.
Great video. The men's bottoms being intentionally covered was not something I'd ever noticed before, but the part where she tried in vain to get a look at Batman's bum actually made me laugh. The contrast between all those waist-high angles, cloth flaps and long jackets with the womens' super wedgies and highly exaggerated hip sways was impossible to ignore.
I especially appreciate that she brought up the framing and animation as factors, because this really puts to bed a number of counter-arguments that male characters are sexualised too just because they have muscle definition and some of them have skimpy outfits.
I especially appreciate that she brought up the framing and animation as factors, because this really puts to bed a number of counter-arguments that male characters are sexualised too just because they have muscle definition and some of them have skimpy outfits.