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Bernie Sanders' Campaign Is Concerned About supporters harressing others online.

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Slayven

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http://theslot.jezebel.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-is-concerned-about-the-berniebr-1755911898

In the past five months, the Berniebro has morphed into a social media mob—aided largely by r/SandersforPresident and a feeling that the media has let them down. The Berniebro is now what happens when Reddit eats a fairly liberal, if irritatingly opinionated white guy, and spits him out. He is tired, he is covered in boils, and he is intent on destroying Hillary Clinton by any. means. necessary.

And he is making the campaign look bad.

Mashable’s Emily Cahn reports that politicians and other public figures who support Hillary Clinton can expect to receive a torrent of often-sexist insults in response. “You should have supported someone with integrity instead of a lying shitbag like HRC,” one Berniebro commented on a photo of Sen. Jeanne Shaheen and Clinton.

“Their vaginas are making terrible choices,” another commented.

The vitriol became so much that Mike Casca, Sanders’ rapid response director, took to Twitter to make an appeal for common decency.

Too little too late

But this tea is good

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35422316

Kathleen Geier, a freelance contributor to The Nation and herself a Sanders supporter, says while she has gotten her fair share of ugly online comments from male Clinton supporters, the level of vitriol coming from what she calls a "tiny minority" of Sanders boosters troubles her.

"I think they're doing harm to the cause," she says. "I haven't seen people treat Obama supporters like this, or supporters of other male establishment candidates - just Hillary. So it's definitely misogyny."

Sexism is not the only bad behaviour demonstrated online by Sanders supporters - an ugly racial element has arisen, too.

"I've gotten everything from 'shill', 'paid infiltrator', to flat out having somebody actually call me a N***** in the midst of this," says Elon James White, CEO of This Week in Blackness, who has been critical of Mr Sanders' record on race.

"They harass and try to take away the credibility from the people who question Mr Sanders."

Similarly, after Atlantic author Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote a story criticising Mr Sanders for saying that reparations for African Americans is too "divisive" an issue, he was deluged by negative responses, as was editor and author Jamil Smith of The New Republic, for his own critical piece about Mr Sanders and his trouble appealing to minority voters.
 

Kard8p3

Member
That's pretty shitty, there are tons of bad things you could point out about the others running for President without having to be petty :/
 

ICKE

Banned
A lot of people like Bernie Sanders and his message but when even political commentators (YT personalities among others) call Hillary Clinton a corporate tool, it's just not a good look. And then you have these conspiracy-esque stories, how everyone is against your candidate etc.

It feels somewhat similar to Ron Paul back in the day. He won all the online polls, had very enthusiastic supporters but sometimes the line between support and delusion can be thin. Obviously you can criticize Hillary Clinton for not being progressive enough but it feels like some people are completely discounting all the good things that she's done. Now that people are facing the possibility of Sanders losing, they are becoming the very thing they are supposed to be against. Sexism, racism etc.

It's not a one way street though. Some people attack Sanders too hard for issues he is pretty good at. He is an extremely likable person and I don't think he is insensitive to racial issues; it's just that sometimes his messaging might be slightly better.
 

legacyzero

Banned
I've not heard this word, "Berniebro". Sorry OP.

Also: Jezebel.

EDIT: Also also, People on the internet being shitty is not all that uncommon, last I checked. Trump supporters are even MORE shitty even in person.
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
Closet racists/sexists are on both sides of the aisle, unfortunately.

I don't think it helps anyone to empower them and get them back into the political process.
 

Kite

Member
I find some of Bernie's more nutty supporters irritating, but this is Jezebel trying to manufacture outrage. Fuck off.
 

Slayven

Member
I've not heard this word, "Berniebro". Sorry OP.

Also: Jezebel.

EDIT: Also also, People on the internet being shitty is not all that common, last I checked. Trump supporters are even MORE shitty even in person.

added a BBC article

I find some of Bernie's more nutty supporters irritating, but this is Jezebel trying to manufacture outrage. Fuck off.
Not outage, shit been going on for damn near a year
 
Underdog candidate whose ideas resonate with vocal minority has supporters more prone to being hyperbolic and pushy due to said underdog status. News at 11.
 

chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
So are a lot of the people that are Pumped for the Trump.

Funny that a decent amount might stem from the same "anti-establishment" reasoning. There are a bunch of people at work that like both Sanders and Trump (and previously Carson but nobody talks about him anymore) because they are the ones "fighting the establishment."
 

Volimar

Member
I'm a Bernie supporter and frankly I'm embarrassed by the hateful divisiveness spouted by many Bernie supporters. It's pretty disturbing.

Is it possible for Bernie to become Hilary's VP or vice versa? That way everyone wins!

She'll almost certainly pick someone a lot younger like Castro.
 
I don't think it's really racism, in the classical sense, so much as arrogance. Bernie is right - and obviously so, in their minds - and so there must be something deficient or wrong about those who don't see it. I don't think Hillary really has anything to recommend her, as a candidate, other than being famous as a byproduct of her husband's political acumen and having a shit-ton of connections by which to draw capital to her, but ultimately, politicians are tools, and if she follows the course of most other presidents and does a decent job of pursuing her campaign promises, the world will be objectively better - albeit not by as much as I might prefer - than if a Republican is elected. Were it a lower-stakes election, I'd probably vote third party, but given the probable Supreme Court seat(s) at stake, and the necessity of keeping the ACA from being repealed before we even have a chance to work the kinks out, I feel the need to actively vote against the GOP.
 

Merc_

Member
Closet racists/sexists are on both sides of the aisle, unfortunately.

I don't think it helps anyone to empower them and get them back into the political process.

It really makes you wonder what it is about Sanders that attracted these people. You'd think he'd repel them considering his overall message.
 

Kuroyume

Banned
"I think they're doing harm to the cause," she says. "I haven't seen people treat Obama supporters like this, or supporters of other male establishment candidates - just Hillary. So it's definitely misogyny."

What?
 

danwarb

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This was used a line of attack against Jeremy Corbyn in the UK too. Nicest guy in the world with the least confrontational, most positive campaign in the world. Got him apologizing for some supporters twitter comments.
 

Inuhanyou

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Mud slinging on all sides, but there will be sexist comments against the woman, sure, there were in 2007. and even racist comments in some circles about the blacks, yes, the same as 2007 in the opposite direction.

I'd prefer to talk about Clinton herself in regards to her stance on the issues and connections....and the people who a tack to this type of garbage are really doing Bernie a disservice.

But i also will say that on both sides the "fandom" have their insufferables. That doesn't stand for all of them.
 
It really makes you wonder what it is about Sanders that attracted these people. You'd think he'd repel them considering his overall message.

As I said, I think there's a lot of people so enamored of his solutions that they have to create rationalizations for themselves about those who don't get on board. Whereas I think Trump appeals to the racism that people already had in their hearts, I think racism and sexism are just unfortunate byproducts of Sanders supporters' proclivity for zealotry. When he loses, those attitudes will cool.
 

Trojita

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These obnoxious Bernie bros need to fuck off. I'm saying this as a Bernie supporter.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
The massive salt when Sanders loses and endorses Clinton will be amazing

I'm pretty fucking ready.

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ibyea

Banned
While Clinton fans have been obnoxious at times, I have seen worse stuff come from Sanders fan. As a Sanders fan myself, that's really discouraging and I feel like they are sabotaging his chances.
 
Is it possible for Bernie to become Hilary's VP or vice versa? That way everyone wins!

Bernie doesn't really bring in the demographics Hillary needs as much as someone like Tim Kaine or Julian Castro.

Bernie would be better served by making O'Malley his running mate because O'Malley serves similar demographics and seems to be made of Telfon.
 

PillarEN

Member
Yeah, its obvious by now that Bernie picked up some of the online Ron Paul crowd from elections past, and that's not a good thing.

I was just about to say this. Luckily my Facebook feed is usually free of politics. It just so happens that two people who like to be vocal and were into Ron Paul are now into Bernie. And that's cool and all but when you're sharing a thing about him every day or several times a week it gets really annoying.
 

User1608

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Unfortunate that Bernie has many (notice "many" is not equivalent to most) assholes for supporters. He's a great guy, totally the opposite of these fools in attitude and demeanor despite being fiery himself without attacking others. From my experience they've definitely been pretty dickish to me on other sites like twitter and FB, while Hillary supporters are by and large more pragmatic but nicer too, despite a few crazies of her own. I've had nothing but nice experiences with them!
 
Seeing some of the GAF posts about Bernie/Killary Clinton, Butcher of Benghazi before I had even really formed an opinion on which side to take (sorry O'Malley) pretty much permanently put me in the Clinton camp. I'm sure there are obnoxious people in the Clinton camp too, but they are far less visible and easier to ignore. I can't even imagine what it must be like being a neutral observer wandering into a political thread on reddit.
 

rjinaz

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Yeah it really is a shame. His supporters have done significant harm to his campaign, particularly in attracting black voters. Probably campaign ending damage. Not surprising that a campaign largely popular online attracts the kind vile that tends to live online I guess.

Those people aren't really Bernie supporters they are anti-Bernie. I don't know what they are other than shitty human beings but definitely not Bernie supporters.
 

Kangi

Member
It really makes you wonder what it is about Sanders that attracted these people. You'd think he'd repel them considering his overall message.

Being the only viable challenger to Hillary Clinton in the primaries means he soaks up all of the sexists, whether he likes it or not.

Glad to see it called out. Not that it will sway those too deep in the cesspools.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
Seeing some of the GAF posts about Bernie/Killary Clinton, Butcher of Benghazi before I had even really formed an opinion on which side to take (sorry O'Malley) pretty much permanently put me in the Clinton camp. I'm sure there are obnoxious people in the Clinton camp too, but they are far less visible and easier to ignore. I can't even imagine what it must be like being a neutral observer wandering into a political thread on reddit.

Are you for real? I've never seen a Killary mention on GAF that wasn't sarcasm.
 

Inuhanyou

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Seeing some of the GAF posts about Bernie/Killary Clinton, Butcher of Benghazi before I had even really formed an opinion on which side to take (sorry O'Malley) pretty much permanently put me in the Clinton camp. I'm sure there are obnoxious people in the Clinton camp too, but they are far less visible and easier to ignore. I can't even imagine what it must be like being a neutral observer wandering into a political thread on reddit.

The benghazi posts aren't coming from Bernie supporters, but conservatives in the GOP camp.

When Hillary is being attacked from the left, (most of the time)its on her actual record, not bullshit the GOP wants to use as some talking point for some dumbass investigation nobody cares about.
 

Shai-Tan

Banned
This is of course all anecdotes and likely to be highly affected by confirmation bias. One of the consequences of polarized tribal groups is they are likely to have differential responses to the in group and out group that cause uneven evaluations. There are multiple levels that explains this effect. First an attentional bias - you're more likely to find something annoying if you disagree with what is said; or who is being supported second, hermeneutics of suspicion which is applied unequally to the received view and the dissonant view; third, reinforcing the in group by demonizing the other, while ignoring or explaining away the faults of the tribe
 
Unfortunate that Bernie has many (notice "many" is not equivalent to most) assholes for supporters. He's a great guy, totally the opposite of these fools in attitude and demeanor despite being fiery himself without attacking others. From my experience they've definitely been pretty dickish to me on other sites like twitter and FB, while Hillary supporters are by and large more pragmatic but nicer too, despite a few crazies of her own. I've had nothing but nice experiences with them!

From posters who know Bernie staff, the word is that Bernie himself is a great and awesome guy but has no control over his campaign staff. So far they broke into DNC records, broke into a hugely influential union's location in Nevada and have been harassing women and Clinton supporters online.
 

Kuroyume

Banned
Seeing some of the GAF posts about Bernie/Killary Clinton, Butcher of Benghazi before I had even really formed an opinion on which side to take (sorry O'Malley) pretty much permanently put me in the Clinton camp. I'm sure there are obnoxious people in the Clinton camp too, but they are far less visible and easier to ignore. I can't even imagine what it must be like being a neutral observer wandering into a political thread on reddit.

You've chosen to support a politician based on the behavior of some of their supporters and not the politician's past record or current campaining? Incredible
 

Inuhanyou

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From posters who know Bernie staff, the word is that Bernie himself is a great and awesome guy but has no control over his campaign staff. So far they broke into DNC records, broke into a hugely influential union's location in Nevada and have been harassing women and Clinton supporters online.

"No control" of his campaign staff, is a good narrative isn't it?

One guy who got fired(the only one actually apart of his campaign staff), a few supporters did some dumbass shit, and online warriors were being racist and sexist means he can't control his campaign staff?
 
Seeing some of the GAF posts about Bernie/Killary Clinton, Butcher of Benghazi before I had even really formed an opinion on which side to take (sorry O'Malley) pretty much permanently put me in the Clinton camp. I'm sure there are obnoxious people in the Clinton camp too, but they are far less visible and easier to ignore. I can't even imagine what it must be like being a neutral observer wandering into a political thread on reddit.

lol, i'm not even american but choosing who you vote for by who else is voting for them is hilarious
 

FlyinJ

Douchebag. Yes, me.
I have heard people complaining about obnoxious Bernie supporters but I've never seen it myself. They are old Ron Paul supporters from Reddit? Jesus. I can only imagine.

I'm an old socialist so I'm de facto Bernie. I think it's crazy that he is polling so high in this country.

I've never admonished any of my friends for being a Hilary person. She's corporate, but she is safe in keeping the ship sailing slightly left. Rather her than any of these absolute sociopaths on the GOP ticket.
 
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