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The Iowa Caucuses |Feb 1|: Winter is here

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ivysaur12

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I'm sort of the mind of whatever happens right now doesn't really matter for either candidate in terms of narrative, but Bernie needed a more decisive victory in a state that was really tailor-made for him. I think it's telling neither candidate actually claimed victory.
 

TDLink

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If it's a tie would a recount not happen with O'Malley's supporters redistributed?

Forgive me if I am wrong since the entire Caucus system is a convoluted mess.
 

MartyStu

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Taking my Hillary hat off for a second, there are 2 reasons for this that I see:

1) Hillary speaks more directly to black issues and racial injustice than Sanders has been willing to. The answer she gave on racial injustice in the last debate was perfect, and everything people have been expecting Sanders to say, instead of constantly tying racism back to economic inequality.

2) Can't stress it enough, Bernie handled those BLM activists invading his stages in the worst. fucking. way. possible. Bernie's camp is complaining about black people not knowing him? Well here was the perfect opportunity for him to introduce himself to the black community. Regardless of you think of those protestors actions, they gave him the perfect opportunity to say "Hey black folks! Look at me!" And what did he do? Clam up and walk away. That's going to haunt him the rest of this race with the black vote.

ASIDE: Bernie's more fervent supports attacking the black political community that dares question Bernie sure ain't helping things either.


This is almost completely wrong. Black support for Clinton was decided decades ago.
 
Wonder if those 90 precincts that are missing are from Bernie's best county...Black Hawk. Still 95 percent in...the most still out there.
 

wildfire

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If we're being real here, Hillary's job isn't to be president. Clinton's job is to move the Democrats back into corporate servitude after they decided to do that Occupy Wallstreet bullshit in 2008 & 2009. I still love the gal and got nothing but the utmost respect for her.

Ok.

 
Yep. It is going to be interesting to see where Trump supporters fall if he starts slipping. I still think Cruz is positioned to pick up more of them than Rubio.

Trump supporters go to Carson or Cruz. They want an anti-establishment candidate. Trumps should win New Hampshire easily though unless there is some huge change of momentum between now and next week.
 

Bowdz

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Where there's a will, there's a way

Life finds a way.

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BowieZ

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Bernie represents a very risky choice, and risk is not appealing when you face the brunt of the consequences of a GOP win.
Sanders is beating Clinton when it comes to GOP head to heads. Why do you propagate this myth that Sanders is riskier?
 

Bronx-Man

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CAN YOU FEEL IT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN?
THE ENERGY!
THE ELECTRICITY!
THIS SOLD-OUT CROWD IS ON THEIR FEET, AND WE'VE GOT OURSELVES ONE HELL OF A SLOBBERKNOCKER!
 
A coin toss to decide it all!
I'm sort of the mind of whatever happens right now doesn't really matter for either candidate in terms of narrative, but Bernie needed a more decisive victory in a state that was really tailor-made for him. I think it's telling neither candidate actually claimed victory.
This is the Italian Stallion story here. Bernie will come through looking like he went nine rounds with Creed.
 
CAN YOU FEEL IT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN?
THE ENERGY!
THE ELECTRICITY!
THIS SOLD-OUT CROWD IS ON THEIR FEET, AND WE'VE GOT OURSELVES ONE HELL OF A SLOBBERKNOCKER!

This is like that part in the match where they keep trading finishers back and forth and kicking out.
 
Yeah, Sanders needed a 3% lead to transform this into momentum. But him losing/winning by this little is not bad for him. We will see how the public reacts in the coming days. For all we know this could be enough momentum for him, or not.
 
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That number is state delegate equivalents.

Yes, to the state convention; not the state's delegates to the national convention. Those numbers include the three coin flips. MSNBC literally just confirmed this. Sans coin flips, Sanders is leading.
 

sphagnum

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I wish Bernie and Bernie supporters would replace "establishment" with "bourgeois". Not that it would do any good for PR reasons but it's certainly more accurate.
 

royalan

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This is almost completely wrong. Black support for Clinton was decided decades ago.

The arrogance behind the assumption that the black vote was decided long ago against Bernie because "Yo Clinton!" is part of the reason he has no chance with it now, and almost offensive.

Like it or not, Bernie's had opportunities to introduce himself to black people. He fucked it up.
 

akira28

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black vote's been warming up to bernie.

Hillary's a known quantity, and to her, so is the minority vote. Bernie, everything is different. People don't know him except as a socialist economy wonk, and he doesn't know how to give and get from the minority voters. He might still have time to learn, but it is late in the game, and Clinton's been eyeing this ball for 16 years.
 

ivysaur12

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Hold on, trying to figure it out with 12 left.

Regionally, it looks like the Black Hawk precincts could go either way, with 1 probably going to Sanders. Hill probably has the 2 in Hancock county. Fremont's outstanding is right next to both a Sanders and Clinton precinct. Muscatine's is next to neither, no one showed up to those precincts.
 
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