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[roytheone]

I'm sorry, it's impolite for me to respond while chewing.

Can you eat our moderator next? please? He wears a stupid beanie!

 

[FluxWaveZ]

It seems my partner used the phrase "Conversation Bomb" (what a proper fellow), and then El Topo and Giant Panda used "Chat Block", then people started saying Chat Bomb

So somewhere in one of these, someone is using the actual term for the ability described in the role PM of whoever has it.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I'm a little curious about something: why do we call it a chat bomb?

I think I get what you are laying down... Now to do some digging.

 

[Karkador]

TBH, it wasn't really meant as a "gotcha", although there's something kind of specific about the notice we got. I'm not sure if the flavor writers (i.e. Ourobolus) would be so kind as to put pertinent game mechanics info right in the fluff, but I thought it was a weird coincidence. Did you catch it from the day-start post, Zipped?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Zippedpinhead was the first to use "Conversation Bombed."

Following that, Giant Panda was the first to use "Chat Blocked."

Finally, LaunchpadMcQ was the first to use "Chat Bomb."

"Bomb" is a weird term, don't you think? Why would someone who has no knowledge of the ability first go to the term "conversation bombed"? Was that how you guys were notified it happened? I doubt it; it probably would have gone something like "you can't use your private chat this night."

"Chat Block" would have been the first term I used, not "Bombed." LaunchpadMcQ was just following the "Bomb" term Zipped first used.

Why was the term "Bombed" used?

 

[Karkador]

It has to do with the fluff

 

[Giant Panda]

It has to do with the fluff

Yeah I could see how Zipped would come to the word bomb based on the notification we got.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Hm, alright then.

 

[Karkador]

I think, unless anyone else wants to claim they were Chat Bombed on any night, we should leave this topic alone for now.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

FluxWaveZ & Timeaisis (3)
LaunchpadMcQ .3031
UltraJay .3036
Gorlak .3043

Karu & Dusk Soldier (1)
FluxWaveZ .3038

batsnacks & MagnumBoy20xx (1)
Giant Panda .3084

Karkador & Zippedpinhead (1)
FluxWaveZ .2888 .2961
UltraJay .2897 .3036
Timeaisis .3040

El Topo & Giant Panda (1)
Ty4on .2887

Hobohodo & Ty4on (0)
Zippedpinhead .3004 .3010
Gorlak .3009 .3043
TL21xx .3051 .3052

Gorlak & LaunchpadMcQ (0)
Boo Boo'n .2896 .2902


No active vote for Day 3:
batsnacks
Boo Boo'n (has previously voted)
Camjo-Z
Coppanuva
Dusk Soldier
El Topo
Flame_AC
Hobohodo
Hyperactivity
Karkador
Karu
kingkitty
Kyanrute
MagnumBoy20xx
Retroid
TL21xx (has previously voted)
Zippedpinhead (has previously voted)



Day 3 ends:

13 votes for majority

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Perhaps this is going too far into meta territory, but the mafia don't actually see the message the victims receive, right? That's true of all abilities. If the two pairs that have been blocked can share fluff details, they could confirm each other.

Understandably, there's two grey areas - this is meta as fuck, and also, the mafia player has to know the fluff of his own PM.

 

[Karkador]

I imagine it would be fair play for a mafia 'chat bomber' to ask the mod what the message says when they use it on someone.

In any case, I wouldn't be able to fairly compare PM text or anything.

 

[Karkador]

A line from the Day 2 day-start fluff

Still, almost everyone had a good sleep, as the boats finally emerged from the dark tunnels.

You motherfuckers

 

[Retroid]

Retroid: Can you elaborate a bit more why you think the doc should have saved cabot/Splinter? I don't understand your logic at all.

Sure, my thought process is that because both the team that got lynched and the team that got killed at night were on the chopping block the previous day, and it could have flipped either way (this is a key factor, it was a very close call), that cabot/Splinter were a safe bet for mafia because any and all discussion would be moved away from them for the short term.

In my mind, the doctor should have been on them because, after town lynched Blargonaut/Kawl and that we found out they were loveless, it should be assumed that a discussion on a flip away from them would take precedence over bringing up lynching cabot/Splinter, making them a prime target during the night.

 

[Retroid]

He didn't explain why he goes from wanting Blawl turbo'd to unvoting them.

The reason I wanted to turbo is because I am in school and it is a lot easier for me to participate during the weekend. As well, I didn't feel like the discussion was moving anywhere at that point and I was worried about being stuck in another cycle of being less active than others.

The reason I unvoted Blawl was because I saw discussion had moved a lot since I last opened the thread. I wanted to catch up without the possibility of a turbo so I could make the decision. I started to catch up and skim through what others had said, but I was also under pressure for my midterm and ultimately was not sure what to do. When I woke up, it had already been turbo'ed and I couldn't make a vote, my bad.

 

[Karu]

Karu, why did your vote stay on Karkador and Zipped all the way to the end of day two? What do you think of them now?

I was hung up on their reactionary reveal, maybe naively so. I don't like flip-flopping on days end, so I stayed. As mentioned, I thought the Splintbot initiative at the end was ridiclious, so there was no way I would do that. Now... I think the discussion should move on from Kark for the time being. Would not vote for him right now. I will try to inject myself more into the conversation tomorrow, it's late.

 

[Ty4on]

In my mind, the doctor should have been on them because, after town lynched Blargonaut/Kawl and that we found out they were loveless, it should be assumed that a discussion on a flip away from them would take precedence over bringing up lynching cabot/Splinter, making them a prime target during the night.

I assume you mean the next day (if Cabinter stayed alive) we would try to lynch one of those who flipped votes, and not Cabot and Splinter? If so what I take issue with is how that debate could take place when we didn't know the alignment of Cabot and Splinter.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I was hung up on their reactionary reveal, maybe naively so. I don't like flip-flopping on days end, so I stayed. As mentioned, I thought the Splintbot initiative at the end was ridiclious, so there was no way I would do that. Now... I think the discussion should move on from Kark for the time being. Would not vote for him right now. I will try to inject myself more into the conversation tomorrow, it's late.

?

What was Kark's role reveal a reaction to?

 

[Karu]

?

What was Kark's role reveal a reaction to?

Reactionary to Blawl's claim, but way later. Now... there were reasons for that, which were laid bare and it convinced most people. My gut told me not to jump on and I didn't.

 

[Camjo-Z]

Sorry, just caught up.

VOTE: Karkador

It seems very convenient you backed off Blarg at the last second to focus on Splinter and wre convinced Splinter was the better choice up till the end. Blarg, who turned scum, and Splinter who obviously was not. You have to admit you had it all wrong. But what I find most odd is that you nor Zipped hammered Blarg, even after all the talk of him being the largest threat. Why? Did you not want your name on the big list of who killed him if he flipped town? It'd make sense that you'd be trying to protect yourself, seeing as you are a tracker.

Still, though...you backed off your gut for Splinter. It's likely you were just second guessing yourself and trying to save your ass in case Blarg was town, but still...it's weird. It's just weird. I know i called you on it and you said you thought Splinter was the better choice, which is still odd because you were the one to reveal that Blarg was likely a liar to begin with.

Thoughts on that, either of you?

At first I was suspicious of Kark's lynch switch at the end of D2, but I'm pretty certain he's town. We know based on Splinter/cabot's role that town has to have a tracker, and Kark has to be it. We know maf doesn't have a roleblocker or they'd have blocked Kark last night, and town presumably has a doc based on the N1 result, so there's no reason a cc wouldn't out by now.

Reactionary to Blawl's claim, but way later. Now... there were reasons for that, which were laid bare and it convinced most people. My gut told me not to jump on and I didn't.

Not seeing how it was reactionary. Blawl claimed tracker D1, Kark was the real Tracker. Kark waited until he got some results on D2 to call him out. That's about as by-the-book as you can get.

 

[Retroid]

I assume you mean the next day (if Cabinter stayed alive) we would try to lynch one of those who flipped votes, and not Cabot and Splinter? If so what I take issue with is how that debate could take place when we didn't know the alignment of Cabot and Splinter.

I agree that it would be hard to debate without knowing their alignment, however, we now know that Blawl are loveless and we know who voted for who, and who flipped. I am not suggesting that Cabinter would be considered innocent, far from that, but that the discussion would be more focused on the fact that many people moved away from voting a loveless. Getting rid of Cabinter was smart because I don't think they would have been a target for the next couple of days.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Dusk Soldier, you were late to the Splibot party. What made you change your vote?

I thought it was obvious that Blarg/Kawl were going to be lynched.

But then when *Splinter took his vote off of them claiming he wanted to extend the discussion. I thought it might be a scum gambit, where he was hoping that one of the other couples would talk themselves into trouble taking the heat (and votes) off of Blarg/Kawl.

Gafia is known for getting crazy paranoid in the final stages of the day.

In the end it was more of a pressure vote than anything.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

With splinter and Cabot dying...

It's weird, usually scum doesn't take out an "option" at night, because typically they are still under scrutiny the next day phase.

Maybe we have a switcher?

Just a thought exercise, no proof of anything.

 

[El Topo]

Don't see why a switcher would have chosen Splabot.

 

[Ty4on]

I agree that it would be hard to debate without knowing their alignment, however, we now know that Blawl are loveless and we know who voted for who, and who flipped. I am not suggesting that Cabinter would be considered innocent, far from that, but that the discussion would be more focused on the fact that many people moved away from voting a loveless. Getting rid of Cabinter was smart because I don't think they would have been a target for the next couple of days.

This is semi-related, but what are your thoughts on today's lynch target? Did you make your mind up about the D2 voting debacle?

Don't see why a switcher would have chosen Splabot.

Let's say you're switching to save Kark. The last thing you want is for the reverse to happen so you select an unlikely NK target. They could also have thought of Cabinter as scummy.

After N1 though you'd think scum would chose a non-obvious target, but the switcher has a higher chance of interfering.

 

[batsnacks]

This was the vote count before Kark claimed yesterday:
el topo & giant panda (0)
cabot

launchpadmcq & gorlak (2)
giant panda
ultrajay

kingkitty & hyperactivity (1)
cabot

timeaisis & fluxwavez (2)
gorlak
camjo-z

magnumboy20xx & batsnacks (1)
flame_ac

cabot & *splinter (1)
launchpadmcq

 

[FluxWaveZ]

This was the vote count before Kark claimed yesterday:

Why does this matter again?

 

[batsnacks]

oops I accidentally replied early.

anyway I was going to say that after Kark claimed and voted, flame_ac and hyperactivity immediately followed with their votes on blarg. blarg follows very quickly with a vote on flux.

I re-read the day before kark claimed, the only post I could find that looked like suspiciously early knowledge of tracking results was this one:

And there is also the chance they are mafia. No need to claim just yet, but food for thought if your target starts acting scummy.

Of course, if they were an assassin, this could be their chance to claim they did visit you, but in a benevolent role. We should be wary of anyone who wishes to betray their PR by saying they visited Blawl.

ultrajay is refering blawl in that post. I think this is too weak to vote on.

 

[batsnacks]

So out of the criteria I was looking at flame_ac and coppa are my most suspicious based on the votes.

Flame_ac votes blarg nearly instantly after Kark claims, stays for most of the day, and attempts a last minute switch to cabot. Coppa votes flux after Kark claims and also attempts a last minute switch to cabot.

I would vote flux or flame/coppa today.

 

[Hobohodo]

Hey guys you know what's not fun, BTEC classes. You need to make so many resources for them that next thing you know, your evening is gone.

Someone asked me why I never voted yesterday. It's because my favourite option of Flux/Time was off the cards, voting on them served no purpose at that point in time as the other candidates were all in the double digits. I almost voted for cabot/splinter (whoops) at one point and probably would have had I not been called in by the lab tech before class started. By the time I was able to commit a good chunk of time to reading the day had ended with majority vote.

Coming into Day 3 im feeling good about Kark. He made a lot of noise yesterday, find it hard to believe that he would do that when Blarg was right on the cusp of being lynched so much.

So with the sleepwalkers have we got anyway of knowing what went down? Like if they were visiting another set of players then who would need to be targeted for the sleepwalkers to end up dead? Could no one have been targeted last night and they ended up sleepwalking into a trap by some unlucky coincidence?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

So the philosophy is to not vote against the flow. Either vote for the majority at the last minute or not at all, huh.

 

[kingkitty]

So with the sleepwalkers have we got anyway of knowing what went down? Like if they were visiting another set of players then who would need to be targeted for the sleepwalkers to end up dead? Could no one have been targeted last night and they ended up sleepwalking into a trap by some unlucky coincidence?

is there a mafia role where if visited by a sleepwalker, they end up dead? the one role that would cause someone to die on visit would be a serial killer. but since we haven't had a death on Day 2, i'm still thinking there isn't one. serial killers are usually forced to kill someone every night.

 

[kingkitty]

Day 2

well, night 1 to be more exact.

anyways, will write up some hot analysis in a few hoursish.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

is there a mafia role where if visited by a sleepwalker, they end up dead? the one role that would cause someone to die on visit would be a serial killer. but since we haven't had a death on Day 2, i'm still thinking there isn't one. serial killers are usually forced to kill someone every night.

Something like a Paranoid Gunner would do that, but a Mafia role having something like that would be OP.

I don't think the idea should be entertained much. It's a very small possibility, but the reasonable conclusion is that Cabinter were killed by Loveless. This is abstracting the issue and trying to misdirect us from what very likely happened.

 

[Flame_AC]

So I wanted to address my own behavior around the end of the day as some people (Batsnacks and Kyan) were curious.

I followed Karkador as I truly believe he is town. As the person who started the Blarg train, I think it is worth it to follow him for a day and see where it goes. There was never a doubt in my mind that Kark was telling the truth, Blarg's reactions (and my immediate vote) are a display of that. As Kark was the closest thing to confirmed town that we had in my mind, I was willing to let him go back on his initial push. I knew that if things turned out poorly then we would lynch Blarg/Kawl on the next day.

However, I think it is worth noting that I did wait for things to develop as far as Splinter is concerned. I wanted to make sure that if we did leave both trackers alive, then we got certain things and that everyone was on the same page.

Splinter's posts were rather abrasive and seemed extremely dismissive. I think it is important for every player to feel like they could die, as otherwise, they won't play well. That's why I went to Splinter.

I won't speak for my partner, we only really post in the game thread.

 

[kingkitty]

Something like a Paranoid Gunner would do that, but a Mafia role having something like that would be OP.

I don't think the idea should be entertained much. It's a very small possibility, but the reasonable conclusion is that Cabinter were killed by Loveless. This is abstracting the issue and trying to misdirect us from what very likely happened.

indeed, simplest answer is scumbro, unless this was a splinter game.

 

[Coppanuva]

Someone asked me why I never voted yesterday. It's because my favourite option of Flux/Time was off the cards, voting on them served no purpose at that point in time as the other candidates were all in the double digits.

So with the sleepwalkers have we got anyway of knowing what went down? Like if they were visiting another set of players then who would need to be targeted for the sleepwalkers to end up dead? Could no one have been targeted last night and they ended up sleepwalking into a trap by some unlucky coincidence?

2 things here:
1) Putting your vote out still shows your thought process and that you're involved in the game. If you thought they were suspicious you should have voted for them, who cares if it goes through or not. It at least shows your opinion on the matter, which is something that you need to be doing given that you were a late addition here.

2) Someone remind me a bit of how sleepwalkers would work with other roles? Could a trap even kill a sleepwalker or are they solely an anti-tracker power? If a sleepwalker visited a hypothetical veteran would they die?

This post ends with question time! YAAAAAY.

Coppa and Flame, did you discuss your choice of vote before voting? What made you so sure to go Splibot over Blawl?

Honestly, we didn't get much chance to discuss. I was busy all of Wednesday with work things and couldn't really communicate much to Flame in our chat (and we agree that talking primarily here is better overall, lest our conversations die with us). Honestly, I didn't like the way Splinter responded to the votes initially, and I thought the way he refused to put a hammer down on Blawl (since he was so deadset against them) was weird.

 

[Warxard]

For now I'm willing to give El Topo's team the benefit of doubt regarding the conversation bomb thing, considering Topo's leaning on the stupid Splinter/Cabot thing yesterday.

I don't really have a gun of accusation to put on right now outside of Launch, but at the end of the day it seems like a wasted vote so early.

I'm gonna back my partner on a vote for now.

VOTE: FluxWaveZ

 

[kingkitty]

i'm not sure if someone already said this, but

thinking it over, if timeflux was scum. and their boat + klarg boat decided to roleclaim on Day 1. why as scum would the fake claim be name cop? considering that klarg claimed they were millers, it would seem smarter for timeflux to claim as alignment cop. because it would be pointless for a miller to exist if there wasn't an alignment cop to be fooled. unless there's another reason for a miller to exist that I'm not thinking of yet.

considering how much effort klarg put into doing that team rocket claim of theirs, one would think scum would try a little harder to make both claims made sense. unless they were worried there was an existing alignment cop who would blow up the plan...but they didn't seem that bothered about the possibility of another tracker on the town side.

 

[batsnacks]

I'm sure there were town people that voted cabot at the end of the day yesterday judging by the numbers but honestly the only explanation anyone has given that makes any sense to me is flux's "cause I thought it'd be funny" reason. Not implying that is good or town motivated reasoning but that's the only one I read that makes sense.

 

[batsnacks]

That's sort of in response to flame_ac's claim that splinter being abrasive and dismissive is scummy enough to warrant voting. Did you consider that splinter's abrasive and dismissive tone was due to people voting him when there was guaranteed to be at least 1 mafia between blarg and kark?

Also I understand splinter's reasons for dragging out the day. Having more dialogue helps town, yes, but like I said yesterday people in mafia games do not sit still for long periods of time. If there is a logical, majority agreement about who to lynch treat it like an opportunity and hammer fast.

 

[Flame_AC]

That's sort of in response to flame_ac's claim that splinter being abrasive and dismissive is scummy enough to warrant voting. Did you consider that splinter's abrasive and dismissive tone was due to people voting him when there was guaranteed to be at least 1 mafia between blarg and kark?

Also I understand splinter's reasons for dragging out the day. Having more dialogue helps town, yes, but like I said yesterday people in mafia games do not sit still for long periods of time. If there is a logical, majority agreement about who to lynch treat it like an opportunity and hammer fast.

It was certainly a possibility that someone was mafia, more then likely even. However, I felt confident in Kark's claim and so I preferred to go with him on it. I also made sure that if the Splinter/cabot lynch happened, then we'd get certain information during the night. If the Splinter/cabot move didn't work out, then Blarg/Kawl are lynched the next day pretty automatically.

Personally, I've always played with the mindset that it is always bad to end the day early, no matter what. Ending early allows scum to create excuses for inactivity and stifles discussion. Some might say that the discussion isn't valuable, but I think every little bit helps.

 

[batsnacks]

Being confident in Kark's claim is not compatible with voting anyone but blarg.

(Kark's actions at the end of the day yesterday look really weird but I'm not ready to assume that mafia counter claimed against their own team.)

 

[Ourobolus]

Current Votes:

el topo & giant panda (1)
ty4on

karkador & zippedpinhead (2)
fluxwavez
ultrajay
timeaisis

launchpadmcq & gorlak (0)
boo boo'n

hobohodo & ty4on (1)
zippedpinhead
gorlak
tl21xx

timeaisis & fluxwavez (4)
gorlak
launchpadmcq
ultrajay
boo boo'n

dusk soldier & karu (1)
fluxwavez

13 votes are needed for majority.

 

[Flame_AC]

Being confident in Kark's claim is not compatible with voting anyone but blarg.

(Kark's actions at the end of the day yesterday look really weird but I'm not ready to assume that mafia counter claimed against their own team.)

I was willing to trust Kark and if it didn't work out then we'd kill Blarg the next day. I know it's not ideal to leave mafia alive whatsoever, but I mentioned my own reason for viewing Splinter as scum, while wrong, and am okay with the vote in the end.

I agree with you that it it is basically impossible that Kark would counterclaim his own team.

If you're curious as to why I wasn't around at the end of the day, I think it's a shame the game is during the week for the most part. As you or others might have noticed, generally I'm most active at the start of the Day (Sunday) and taper off from there. (If only it was like Season 4)

 

[batsnacks]

Why are you trusting Kark about splinter though? Kark had nothing on splinter except... a weak tone read? It just doesn't make sense that you trust Kark enough to sheep him on a weak tone read but you're not voting blarg. You either trust Kark's claim and you vote blarg or you don't trust Kark's claim and you vote someone else.

Also blarg confirmed himself as having access to some sort of tracking ability. You believed that Kark is the town tracker, and we're still okay with giving blarg an extra day to track down other town power roles that seem likely to exist, just to support Kark's tone read on splinter because you "trust" him.

 

[Flame_AC]

Why are you trusting Kark about splinter though? Kark had nothing on splinter except... a weak tone read? It just doesn't make sense that you trust Kark enough to sheep him on a weak tone read but you're not voting blarg. You either trust Kark's claim and you vote blarg or you don't trust Kark's claim and you vote someone else.

Also blarg confirmed himself as having access to some sort of tracking ability. You believed that Kark is the town tracker, and we're still okay with giving blarg an extra day to track down other town power roles that seem likely to exist, just to support Kark's tone read on splinter because you "trust" him.

I said my own reasons for wanting Splinter out, I think it is harmful for town to play with someone who feels perfectly safe. I'm not trusting Kark's theory that Splinter was mafia, but I am willing to trust that we both had town's best interests at heart and so we tried to make a play that might have blown the game wide open.

Also, this is meta, kind of. This happened to Hyperactivity in Harry Potter and it worked that time, killed scum. So I was hopeful we might get lucky again, that played a part in it, somewhat at least. (Poor Hyper though)

If Splinter turned out to be scum, then it wouldn't have mattered if Blarg could track or not as he would more then likely have been town in that scenario.

Worst case, in my opinion, was we lynch Splint, are wrong, then I'd hope town PR's are smart enough to lie low for the night, then we kill Blarg/Kawl the next day and move on to the next night/day. We'd get a lot of voting information and it'd be very useful to see how it played out, granted what we have now is also very useful.

Currently, I'm not willing to throw my vote on anyone yet, seems like less people have chimed in than usual, might just be me though.

 

[Flame_AC]

Ah, sorry for double post.

I think that will be my last post for the night, maybe tomorrow too. Depends how midterms go.

 

[kingkitty]

thoughts:

-timeflux+klarg+karkendoor aren't all in the same scum bro group. Karkendoor counterclaims klarg on Day 2, for what, townie trust? He didn't need to do that at all if he was scum. Did they sense a big potential lynch against klarg that they felt like getting ahead of it with a bus? I didn't sense much of that especially with timeflux diverting attention with their lie. I certainly don't see Karkdendoor and timeflux on the same scum side considering how much Kark pooped on flux throughout this game.

It was bold for klarg to do what they did, it's too bold for me to have timeflux claim name cop (which would lead to issues of "why a name cop and not an alignment cop since klarg is supposedly a miller"), and in the same day have klarg do their dance. And then on Day 2 have timeflux do an about face with their roleclaim, followed by Kark needlessly throwing his scumbro klarg under the bus, followed by blarg of klarg throwing a vote on timeflux.

In terms of unlikely, all three on the same side is ranked as "very unlikely". Having either karkendoor or timeflux on the same side as klarg is ranked as "unlikely".

-Some friction between ultraboo and klarg, including trading of voters towards one another. Kawl consistently put ultraboo as "suspicious". Makes me maybe a little less willing to throw ultraboo into a volcano, at least for today.

-typhoon went hard against timeflux during Day 1. If (unlikely) timeflux flips scum, i feel better towards t4phon a little bit. Same deal vice versa.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I don't think there's enough focus or discussion around the basic fact that Blawl was scum. I'm going to look back and see how their team interacted with others, and their voting patterns.

Two teams I feel people are putting nearly enough attention towards:

11. [m] Dusk Soldier & [m] Karu
15. [m] hobohodo & [m] Ty4on

Also, I forgot that batsnacks even had a partner.