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Jim Sterling is being sued by Digital Homicide
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
*Tidus Laughing*
There are times I agree and others I don't with Jim Sterling, but, I heard the Special Podcast and he is completely right.
I don't even need to argue cause he presented everything there, the Digital Homicide guy just don't want to listen. He just called Jim to talk what he thinks about, and are not open to listen others opinions.
That said, nothing will happen to Jim, since he is doing nothing wrong, and life will continue. Sadly this guy can't let it go and will lost money he could invest trying to understand were his games fails and make it better.
I don't even need to argue cause he presented everything there, the Digital Homicide guy just don't want to listen. He just called Jim to talk what he thinks about, and are not open to listen others opinions.
That said, nothing will happen to Jim, since he is doing nothing wrong, and life will continue. Sadly this guy can't let it go and will lost money he could invest trying to understand were his games fails and make it better.
SolicitorPirate
Member
I imagine a lot of the forum will jump me for this, but from a legal perspective, I'm glad this case was filed. Will hopefully create some useful precedent
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I doubt the ones sending him death threats, hate mail, harassing them and sending shit to his house were older. I'd hope not, but you never know on the internet.
translation: "he told his viewers to investigate us, and they did, and then they came to the conclusion that we were full of shit"
that is a level of pretentious yet meaningless writing i don't even reach at my worst, dear god
NightShift
Member
Holy shit, this has been a long time coming. Hopefully Jim will keep us updated on all of this.
If they tried this shit in the UK it might even work but defamation is such a difficult claim in the US that they shouldn't even bother filing it.
glaringradio
Member
Where are you reading this?
paperspace
Member
I want a movie based on this.
EdibleExplosives
Member
After all the threats, I didn't think they'd actually be stupid enough to go through with this.
SmackAttack
Member
HAHAHAHAHA
What in the world makes these guys think they have a case here? They placed insulting text over Jim's original video and put games on Steam under different developer names in hopes no one would catch it.
What in the world makes these guys think they have a case here? They placed insulting text over Jim's original video and put games on Steam under different developer names in hopes no one would catch it.
SolicitorPirate
Member
Jim's outrage heavy style always led me to assume his audience skewed younger, or was at least not particularly worldly. That said, that's always just been a personal feeling and I have no evidence to back that.
Already Torn
Banned
I think that would be more true for Angry Joe, personally.
Doubt it in the UK, unless David Cameron fucked something up, would be a nice episode of Judge Judy/Judge Rinder though.
SolicitorPirate
Member
Ehhh, bit of column A and bit of column B. When Joe is in his full on Angry Persona, then yeah, it's pretty embarrassing. But he also tries to make thoughtful reviews that I appreciate. I do not feel that he is a particularly insightful reviewer, but at least he does as well as he can.
AVGN coined outrage style, I went to a convention to see him. 1/4 the audience were literal morons. No more or less children than you see for any convention, despite the swears.
Insofar as Jim uses outrage, I'd expect a few morons, but far less than are supporters of Digital Homicide, who are themselves morons.
SolicitorPirate
Member
The UK was once considered one of the libel shopping centres of the world. I believe they have made moves to try improve this, but there was a time when the UK was pretty infamous for its libel tourism.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I can't believe I missed this gem. Holy shit, I love how their "evidence" completely undermines their own case for the most part. And the shitty-ass scans... my eyes are bleeding.
So they can't even do basic additions either. xD Math is hard, y'all
NoFaceNico
Member
It's a Federal Filing so it's available from the PACER website: https://ecf.azd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/ShowIndex.pl
It's public record, you don't have to be an attorney to get a login. However, there is a charge to view documents. I think it came out to like $5 for me to get the complaint. with exhibits. If anyone wants to do this themselves, I'd recommend not getting exhibits because they don't really have anything interesting (or even legible) on them and that'll save you some money.
I'm not going to upload, don't ask. And to anyone else, DO NOT DO THIS. You can probably get in some serious shit if you do.
SolicitorPirate
Member
I'm...not exactly sure why people are bringing up other outrage personalities? I agree that AVGN's style is vapid and embarrassing, but what does that have to do with what I said about Jim? There's more than enough room for multiple peddlers of outrage.
DeCreeperHater
Banned
From the website:
Bhahahahaha
samuraidino
Member
Theres a piece of "Evidence" in the PDF posted which contains a tweet by Jim specifically telling people not harass people.
LOL, what the hell sort of useful precedent do you think this will this create?
They've got basically no case, even if they actually had the money to afford a lawyer.
samuraidino
Member
I need to point out this tweet because I almost died laughing after reading it.
When it gets thrown the fuck out and DH is stuck with all the legal fees and no help from their "army of fans".
There are a few people who have posted the documents 2-3 pages back.
I need to point out this tweet because I almost died laughing after reading it.
Got DAYUM the fire burns so hot. Savage.
SolicitorPirate
Member
More comprehensive tests on what constitutes harassment online. The complete inability for victims of Gamergate to take action against their harassers was pretty indicative of how much the law has lagged behind the Internet
HellBlazer
Member
I'm... confused. This is the evidence DH intend to present, right? It seems like many attachments there would actually work against them.
Like, a message from Jim asking his followers not to harass people, or one where Jim admits he didn't know some assets were from Shutterstock and as such he has edited his former claim to they might have been lifted. Your libel claim isn't going to go very far if the defendant has already retracted their statement in good faith...
Those are just the exhibits for the complaint, and not the actual complaint itself.
Triggerhappytel
Member
It's shitty if they're getting harassed by Jim's audience, but he has no direct control over that and it's no grounds to launch a lawsuit. The way both parties have acted has been childish at times, but DH are at least as much to blame for this whole debacle as Jim is, and I can't imagine any court is going to give them time of day considering he has basically called them out for releasing shitty games.
Will be interesting to see how this develops, but I'm not sure whether DH are enjoying the attention Jim has brought them, or are just plain delusional. Given their Skype conversation thing Jim posted on his website a while ago, I am inclined to believe the latter.
EDIT - it's a shame you can't see how much money they have accumulated. I'd be interested to see how much traction this gains.
Will be interesting to see how this develops, but I'm not sure whether DH are enjoying the attention Jim has brought them, or are just plain delusional. Given their Skype conversation thing Jim posted on his website a while ago, I am inclined to believe the latter.
EDIT - it's a shame you can't see how much money they have accumulated. I'd be interested to see how much traction this gains.
SmackAttack
Member
Damn, son.
I need to point out this tweet because I almost died laughing after reading it.
DeCreeperHater
Banned
I'm crying
I need to point out this tweet because I almost died laughing after reading it.
That's the most hilarious thing I've seen in weeks.
Chie Satonaka
Member
I need to point out this tweet because I almost died laughing after reading it.
Jesus.
I need to point out this tweet because I almost died laughing after reading it.
That response is so on point its priceless XD! They really are Kickstarting their own lawyer :').
StrikeFirst117
Banned
I need to point out this tweet because I almost died laughing after reading it.
I'm dead that is too damn good.
ImaLemming
Member
For some reason, I want to see DigiHom get into a fight with that guy who lost his shit at I Hate Everything over "Cool Cat Saves the Kids".
Triggerhappytel
Member
I'm not seeing anything there which is supposed to help their case. Is Jim not allowed to tweet saying he thinks they are a shower of shits without potential legal ramifications? Is he not allowed to call out their shit games for being shit because that will raise awareness of how shit they are and potentially cost them money? I just don't see how there's a legal case in any of this.
StrikeFirst117
Banned
That and the research reduced their game output by 5, come the fuck on they have "made" 18 games in less than two years cranking them out like no tomorrow.
skullmuffins
Banned
I'm fairly certain it's not illegal to rehost public documents obtained from PACER; my understanding is those terms are actually talking about trying to collect information from the PACER servers themselves without paying, eg through any loopholes, exploits, or automated scrapers or anything like that. The RECAP project - using a browser extension to automatically re-upload documents from PACER to a free service - has existed for years with afaik no legal issues. The PACER website itself only seems to address it to say that fee-exempt users should be careful using the extension as the exemption only applies to certain uses and distribution is not one of them.
tl;dr: you can upload the docs, it's fine.