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Jim Sterling is being sued by Digital Homicide

Justinh

Member
Here I was hoping that Jim Sterling's last name was actually "Son" and he was related to Goku. I'm just going to keep on believing this (hold on to that feeling!).

Hopefully things work out for Mr. Stanton Sterling and this will put an end to this whole... saga. Also, I hope that Sterling's fans stop harassing the devs. Yeah, they might suck and all but I still don't like that people are posting threats or involving families with the hate on their steam dev pages and stuff (if it's true, which I don't doubt because "internet").
 

Orca

Member
I'm not seeing anything there which is supposed to help their case. Is Jim not allowed to tweet saying he thinks they are a shower of shits without potential legal ramifications? Is he not allowed to call out their shit games for being shit because that will raise awareness of how shit they are and potentially cost them money? I just don't see how there's a legal case in any of this.

At one point they share a post of his telling people not to abuse people in his name...in their lawsuit alleging he has people attack them? What?
 
Apologies in place of every offending article and video for a period of no less than 5 years. An apology video in the primary location on The Defendant's channel front for a period of no less than 5 years.

Yeah...ok
 
Time loss dealing with this case involved including the almost 1 thousand hours the Plaintiff spent performing research on law to represent appropriately in court (this reduced game output by a minimum of five titles putting the plaintiff in worse financial position) 800k
(emphasis mine)

Oh goddamn what. FIVE GAMES IN ONE THOUSAND HOURS
 

MilkBeard

Member
Just read through their documentation. I don't know much about law, but it looks like a load of bullshit.

They are presenting twitter comments, where Jim is literally just stating that he got emails about the ECC lawsuit, among other things he's said that don't really seem all that inflammatory. I mean, I've seen Sterling get much more intense than what is shown.

I assume they are suing him as a scare tactic? I mean, they can't think they will win.
 
I'm rather curious as to what attorney took them in as a client or they are going pro se.

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poodaddy

Member
This is kind of weird as he actually kind of praised their last game and commended them on actually trying to do better work now. Strange that they'd go after him like this after he had kind of relented and taken it easy on them a bit.
 
If they were suing him in the UK, maybe, with a ton of luck, they might have a case, given the outrageous libel laws over there.

In the US, with the strong first amendment protections of free speech, they won't stand a chance and will just waste money on their lawyers (and possibly Jim's). What foolishness!
 
Just read through their documentation. I don't know much about law, but it looks like a load of bullshit.

They are presenting twitter comments, where Jim is literally just stating that he got emails about the ECC lawsuit, among other things he's said that don't really seem all that inflammatory. I mean, I've seen Sterling get much more intense than what is shown.

I assume they are suing him as a scare tactic? I mean, they can't think they will win.

The allegations seem shaky at best. I am however personally interested in the assault tort and really hope that's argued before a Judge.
 

Zomba13

Member
They say they could've made at least five games in 1000 hours... that's 41 days ROFL!

41 days of solid, non stop work. If we let them have normal work days though it's like 100days or something. And even with that, even 100 days worth of work time, for at least 5 game? DH can fuck right off with that. How could they go up in court and claim that in 1000 hours they could have made no less than 5 complete games they intend to sell and have them actually be good, and not the shit they usually put out which Jim rightly points out is shit?

I mean, I don't expect the judge or whoever if this did get to court to even know anything about videogames and just assume they pop out of a computer if you hit enough keys, but c'mon. Also, if you were any good at making games I'm sure you could knock out 5 decently fun games within that time. They'd be simple, and likely use premade assets, but they could entertain (look at some of the things that come out of multiple day game jams), but DH do not have that talent.
 

Sanctuary

Member
Wow, the Digital Homicide dude is crazy.

Listening to it now, although I don't know if I'll be able to sit through over an hour and a half of this. I'm not really a Sterling fan either. He can be hugely over the top at times, and is also extremely biased and doesn't even try to hide it. Regardless, I don't see Digital Homicide winning this.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I doubt DH has a leg to stand on but dam if this isn't scary. Wonder if YouTube lawyers will get involved or does that protection only extend to fair use.

God luck Jim, sure you don't need it but if this end up in court hope u get them to pay your legal fees at the end.
 
They say they could've made at least five games in 1000 hours... that's 41 days ROFL!
I like how you imply that they make games in their sleep...sounds like lie bell and deaf if cache on to me...better watch out you might be next on the Digital Whoicide watch list.
 

epmode

Member
I'm not really a Sterling fan either. He can be hugely over the top at times, and is also extremely biased and doesn't even try to hide it.

Nope, not seeing it. He generally backs up his viewpoints in his reviews and videos even when I don't agree with him.
 

MilkBeard

Member
Uhhhh.....should that really be getting posted here? I mean it's got his address and phone number on there. Is that kind of information really made public knowledge when someone files a lawsuit in the US?

Also, $10,761,000?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Lol. This is just complete nonsense.
 

Foffy

Banned
I recently received a pile of feces in the mail and someone contacted the Jehovah's witnesses website to have them pay me a visit.

That's too funny. This is a nightmare thing to happen...?
 

dukeoflegs

Member
This is one of the most interesting complaints I've ever read. It almost sounds like an attorney wrote it but then you get lines like "a statement that almost destroyed the Plaintiff" the word usage is interesting. My two favorite parts are the one about giving keys away for votes and them saying others do it so it is ok. And the part about how the games are so cheap that customers make a profit from cards.
 
Without getting anyone into trouble, is it possible for someone with access to the filings to summarize the actual civil charges that are being levied against Jim Sterling? Like slander, inciting to violence, harassment, etc, etc?

I'll try but it's very difficult to summarize because it has very little structure. Most complaints are just supposed to make their claim against the Defendant and leave it at that. They usually don't even include any attachments. The evidence and statements presented later on prove your complaint. In other words, don't show all your cards right now, no need to, and you might find something juicy later.

But like many Pro Se litigants, Digital Homicide instead decided to dish everything out in the complaint and instead of just making claims they tell a story with tons of details, some of which don't seem to go anywhere. Some of their "Counts" aren't even claims but just things that happened in their retelling of this story.

Here's my summary. They basically have 11 counts of Libel Per Se/Pro Quod but the last one is labeled "Count 10" because math is hard, apparently. But it's all libel, so I don't know where they're getting the "Assault" claim because it's not in the complaint. The first 10 counts revolve around a September 24, 2015 article Jim Wrote entitled "Digital Homicide And The Case of The Sockpuppet Developers."

(the quotes are all Jim Sterling, the bold parts are my notes)
Count 1) "It's also worth noting that Galactic Hitman's artwork has been taken from elsewhere, just like the initial art for The Slaughtering Grounds was." They claim this is false, and they took down the artwork

Count 2) "Here, we've seen it lead to potential legal trouble for the folks who rebranded and accidentally defamed a completely different studio" This is about ECC games and they claim they've always been ECC games so this is false

Count 3) "apparently you don't need to prove your company's legitimacy or even existence, since it's all based on usernames" Same as above

Count 4) "It also has a Twitter account which, prior to now, has no history of mentioning either Devil's Share nor Galactic Hitman" Same as above

Count 5) "Chicanery may lead into some very real legal trouble" They say the real ECC Games people can't sue them because they didn't register that trademark in the US, so this statement is false

Count 6) "Being as sly as Wet Bandits" Digital Homicide resents the Home Alone reference

Count 7) "Romino" claims Jim misspells his name to insinuate a "relation to a mob or mafia family"

Count 8) Post from twitter linking to the article: "I wrote an article on everything we know about Digital Homicide/ECC Games weirdness" claims Jim is spreading his misinformation

Count 9) "According to the email, this ECC Games is pursuing legal action against DH for using its name. Not enough popcorn on Earth." they don't really rebut this they just keep saying Jim is wrong because they've always operated as ECC but they don't say what happened here or deny that some legal action happened

They then go into a very strange discussion here about how Jim makes money off his subscribers and they don't have the resources to fight his network. It's really out of place and doesn't seem to go anywhere.​

Count 10) a tweet: "Jesus Christ, I just got an email from ECC Games saying they're NOT the ECC Games Digital Homicide named itself after. This is weeeeird." they claim Jim should have contacted them first to get the facts and he's pretending to be surprised

Then their libel claims are strangely broken up here by a section titled "Incident Causing Lost Product Damage" where they tell a story about how their "Distributor" got on their case after all the controversy. Again- it's very hard to read this. They don't say who "The Distributor" is and typically a complaint will define the people involved at the beginning before they start referring to people or entities like that. They only say the people from the distributor that contacted them were Conor Malone and Tom Giardino. But I figure the distributor is Steam because later on they say: "The Plaintiff managed to convince The Steam Representative, Tom, that The Plaintiff had not done anything illegal and The Plaintiff was a victim of false statements. Tom Giardino accepted this sacrifice." This section is by far the most enjoyable part to read. I love how they refer to taking down their games as a "sacrifice."​

"Count 10)" [sic] an undated post from Jim ending with: "I will not deny the pleasure I take in sticking it to them, but their name is mud for a reason, and people deserve to know who's really selling them products." they claim this proves Jim's intent. They reveal some interesting info, they say there's nothing shady about exchanging keys for votes and say they gave away 25,000 keys to get greenlit. I think they probably added this to the end at the last minute.

I'm really excited to see what happens! Federal Court judges are no fuckin joke, they have no time for this bullshit. Most judges tend to be nice to Pro Se litigants because they don't want to look bad in the public eye. But it's harder to find a federal judge like that because they're appointed for life so they don't have to put on a good face for anybody. I want to see what the judge tells them! I'm not too far from Arizona, if this really drags out maybe I can go watch!!

I seriously doubt it will though. Going Pro Se in Federal is dangerous. You have to really know your shit and it's a minefield of deadlines and reports you have to file or you get in trouble. Digital Homicide probably won't follow the scheduling order requirements (or not even know what to do with them) and the judge will use that as an excuse to dismiss it and have one less shitty case on his docket to worry about. They really made a mistake going into Federal Court.
 
My favorite thing was when he posted videos critiquing other bad Steam Greenlight games, and Digital Homicide got mad at him because they had published those games onto Greenlight under fake/alternate names, and clearly he somehow knew that and was targeting them...?

Literally "Let's hide our identity!" "Hey these games are shit" "HOW DARE YOU CALL US OUT AGAIN" "What?"
 

Fat4all

Banned
I seriously doubt it will though. Going Pro Se in Federal is dangerous. You have to really know your shit and it's a minefield of deadlines and reports you have to file or you get in trouble. Digital Homicide probably won't follow the scheduling order requirements (or not even know what to do with them) and the judge will use that as an excuse to dismiss it and have one less shitty case on his docket to worry about. They really made a mistake going into Federal Court.

I feel the same, they either don't know what they are getting into or are too stupid to know what they are getting into.

They're gonna crash and burn.
 
Honeslty, I'm more shocked that Jim Sterling isn't his real name.

DH about to be laughed out of court.

Lol everyone shocked about his name is a bit late, pretty sure it came out during the last big DH bitchfest. Like they're trying to use it as an insult or something.
 
Ha! If they think this battle's worth it, the quality of their game development really does equal the level of their own intelligence. :/

Sad.
 
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