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He thinks that games for PS5 would work on PS4K.
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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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He thinks that games for PS5 would work on PS4K.
GamerMax73
Member
No that's backwards compatibility. PS4K is backwards compatible with PS4, it will play PS4 games.
And that's forward compatibility - PS4 is capable of playing PS4K games at a lower quality because they are based on the same basic AMD architecture.
If it's not releasing until 2017, they aren't talking about it anytime soon.
wapplew
Member
- a way to make early adopter feel less pissed.
- the thing that holding back your latest hardware potential.
GamerMax73
Member
This.
David Ricardo
Member
The difference between the PS4k and the PS4 is 2.5 times the difference between the PS4 and the XBO. If PS4 1080p 30 games run 900p 30 with drops in the XBO. Imagine how a 1080p 30 PS4k game will run on the PS4.
The key is what the developers choose as a target. If they target og PS4, PS4k games will look a little prettier with enhanced resolution and/or frame rate. No problem with that. But if they target PS4k, og PS4 version is going to run like shit.
Omnistalgic
Member
What about game like Rocket League or Firewatch? Would it really matter if developers have a PS4 or PS4k in front of them?
If only the biggest 150 million dollar gsmes (GOW4/GTS/GTA6) are going to take advantage of the extra power, I think we may be needlessly worrying. This is Sony putting out another tools for creative people, but I think most devs do take a lot of pride in there work. A company like Rockstar isn't going to release this messy broken mess of a port for ps4 and X1 because they have newer systems to play with.
My 2 cents at leastz
If only the biggest 150 million dollar gsmes (GOW4/GTS/GTA6) are going to take advantage of the extra power, I think we may be needlessly worrying. This is Sony putting out another tools for creative people, but I think most devs do take a lot of pride in there work. A company like Rockstar isn't going to release this messy broken mess of a port for ps4 and X1 because they have newer systems to play with.
My 2 cents at leastz
I can definitely see that happening - effects on one that aren't on the other - if that's what you mean. But if that is happening because the original machine legitimately just can't handle it, then it's not really a loss for that machine...it was never going to get that effect anyway.
If we're talking about games exclusive to the more powerful box... it could happen unless Sony has a policy against it, but I imagine it would be quite a bit down the road before that would happen. Probably after the original PS4 has enjoyed a 'regular' console-cycle lifetime... it would take some years before the new box was common enough to replace the old as the 'standard' going concern for developers.
Mister Megative
Banned
Completely out of control? Dude, you know the vast, vast, VAST majority of gamers don't visit GAF, right? We account for like 0.00001% of the gaming community worldwide. I don't see people throwing PS4s in trash cans and burning controllers en masse. A few pages back, people were actually proclaiming the death of consoles over this. The death of consoles! Stop the ridiculous hyperbole. Here's what's going to happen: PS4 will sell great all year, because the majority of people don't know/wouldn't care if they did, and at some point PS4k'll be announced. The PS4 will see a steep price cut. It will continue to sell great, because the vast majority of the gaming community, as all consumers do, care far more about affordable prices than sweet-ass graffix. If they didn't, we'd all be playing on $3,000 gaming rigs. When PS4k hits, as long as the price is under 400 it, too, will sell like mad, because the rest of the community DOES care about sweet-ass graffix, and I'm betting almost every swingin' dick here who says "I'm done with consoles" will be there day one. How many times to consoles have to die before you realize it Will. Not. Happen?
Really. This thread is the very definition of "hyperbole".
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Here on a gaf
I don't think Sony could say anything to calm people that fear to be left alone with an "old" console and sub-optimal games unless they buy a PS4k.
Omnistalgic
Member
I still agree with the poster your quoted. PS3/ps4 cross gen stuff was noticeably weaker on 7 year old hardware, but still offered a good gaming session. This is hardware separated by less than half that time, fully b/c with each other and sharing the market. I don't think any ps4 game is going to run like crap because of ps4k, it would have just run like crap because of the developer.
Omnistalgic
Member
everything here could easily take place just as stated. Well written.
But I guess it's just more fun to post about PS crashing and Sony pissing on fans, and this backfiring in their faces while Nintendo returns to reclaim the throne.
Bitch Pudding
Member
There's a 60mn PS4/XB1 install base out there, probably 70mn before the new SKUs arive. May take a while before publishers say "fuck those!" and focus their efforts on PS4k/XB1.5.
Well' get some cool 1st party games which will exploit the new power, that goes without saying, but I am sure all major 3rd party AAA games, incl. a new GTA, will run with the same quality they'd run if there weren't some faster SKUs around.
GlamFM
Banned
Don't be such a drama queen and don't confuse GAF with the real world.
In the real world no one cares.
Zoetis said "end of the year", so we can expect the announcement at PSX at the latest.
Would also make sense since maybe some people would hold back from buying PSVR and save the money for PS4K instead.
Gaf is not the real world.
quick question (didn't want to make a new thread). Is there a concern that PS VR (the actual hardware coming out in October) won't be compatible with PS4K? I see people freaking out about Playstation and Sony... but everything I'm reading says that Playstation games will work on both systems, VR (the same hardware) will work on both systems.. so are people just pissed that they "will get a gimped VR experience" on the current gen hardware?
So can we call you guys boasters?
The Abominable Snowman
Member
One thing that makes me nervous about the new hardware is the possibility of a large delay between announcement and release. With E3 and PSX and a 2017 release date you're talking about a 6+ month window before release that will suppress interest in PS4 and buying new hardware. It's more Apple-like to release a revision within a couple months of announcement. Doesn't make sense to keep everyone waiting for such a moderate intermediate step.
Melchiah
Member
I realize some people are angered about the idea of console upgrades, eventhough it doesn't actually change what they already have, but all the hyperbole isn't exactly helping their argument. Wouldn't it be better to support the personal stance with a grounded point of view, instead of blown up doom-mongering (with an additional PS4 has no games mantra)?
Andodalf
Banned
the opposite. The PS4k is backwards compatible as in it is compatible with 'backward" or old games. The PS4 is forward compatible in that it runs "future" ps4k games.
Yes, I am quite confused now.
I was looking forward to VR, but now I just don't know if it is time to jump in anymore if a stronger hardware is coming out quickly after.
By the time PS4k is out, PSVR price may have come down a bit, so it may be logical to wait.
sono
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#4theplayer
useyourfist
Member
I'm waiting for the inevitable bundle of them both at a reasonable price.
CosmicQueso
Member
Sure they can.
E3 is only 2 1/2 months away.
Only way sales would be impacted is if they do say something. So they won't. And sales won't change at all.
SmiteOfHand
Member
The exact same way it would have already. Games are already hardware scaled. You flat do not understand how video games are made. This romanticized notion that game developers have the one hardware in mind and everything else plays second fiddle doesn't exist. It is the exact same OS, the exact same API calls, running on the exact same code base, the only thing altered is a larger resource budget.
Naughty Dog is perfectly capable of targeting two hardware profiles. These aren't kids operating out of their basement. This isn't an engineering feat of sending humans to other planets. It is a well understood part of modern development.
PSVR will be compatible with PS4K, based on the rumors we have, so far. Being more powerful, it would naturally be more capable of delivering a fuller fidelity VR experience, but it seems pretty obvious from the PSVR specs that's it's been designed to make the best of being used with the PS4. If they were planning to have the PS4K in the picture the whole time and as they primary workhorse for PSVR, they probably would have ratcheted up the specs on the VR headset (higher resolution, better FOV, etc.)
What leaked spec?
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
I live in the real world, I care.
Yeah, I see your point. I wouldn't be at all surprised if PS5 comes out in 2018 or 2019. That is after all, in line with industry CEO/exec predictions from 2013 when current gen launched. We might have to settle for a bit less of a leap than a PS5 in 2020, but there should still be a much more significant difference than going from PS4 to a PS4K in early 2017 with only 2x or 2.5x the graphics performance.
An APU using Zen CPU and Navi GPU architectures with HBM2 (probably not the absolute fastest memory by then, as AMD noted "Nextgen memory" for Navi on PC side)
With 1.0 ~ 1.2 TB/sec HBM2 for PS5 will be very, very good, and thankfully no longer cutting edge in 2018/2019, thus most likely cheaper (SK Hynix has a roadmap out to 2023 and HBM3 could be as soon as 2018/2019) .
The 10nm node seems kinda dicey for 2018 but probably more doable in 2019.
All this assuming there's no PS4K.
Night Angel
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manzo
Member
Pretty much this.
I asked my group of friends who play together on PS4 that what do they think: "but you can play all the coming games on PS4, right? Then who gives a shit". This was pretty much the same answer from all of them. All pretty casual, only play R6, Battlfront and Project Cars.
The casuals won't care. The old console guard calls for the end of the world.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Rumors been going around for weeks in multiple places, and even this was posted before today. Not to mention that OP is a verified insider, I don't think he is allowed to make stuff up.
This shit has to stop.
thetester77
Member
Really??
How many times has this been said in the 170 odd pages even although these rumours were posted in March.
vpance
Member
The extra power can be used to play 2 games at the same time.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I kind of hope mod will ban people who makes 'april fool' post in this thread.
GlamFM
Banned
How much outrage do you see in the real world already?
Burning cars where you live yet?
And that didn't stop people from complaining in the same breath about framerate or some other sacrifice made, wishing they had bumped at least some of the games to next gen.
And when you say "right at the end" of last gen, bear in mind you're talking about a generation longer and more protracted than just about any before it. The first party studios, across the board, for all of the major platform holders, are clearly having a harder time prepping AAA exclusives that really make each platform stand out for distinctive content. Sony still has studios who have yet to show anything significant for the PS4 while other internal studios have already crashed and burned. Meanwhile 3rd party publishers and more independent dev studios are chugging along, cranking out content since they don't ever really worry about maxing out the performance of any given piece of hardware. So there's some inversion occurring here where 1st parties aren't leading the way early enough in a console's lifeline to really set baseline expectations anymore.
Sure, it's nice to see what devs can do with hardware when they have enough time to really learn all its intricacies and the full breadth of its performance parameters but that clearly takes longer and longer as the hardware becomes more powerful and more capable and therefore demands more and more ambitious projects to properly show off the hardware potential. There's clearly diminishing returns based on how long it takes to accomplish that for a given platform.
Yes. I checked the calendar and today is indeed April Fools.
Wall Street Journal doesn't do April Fools jokes before April first http://www.wsj.com/articles/sony-plans-new-playstation-for-graphics-heavy-games-1459152941 they probably don't do April Fools jokes at all.
platina
Member
Backup and restore. The ps4 has that option
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I know this is anecdotal, but none of my friends who do not visit GAF or Reddit, etc., and own PS4's even knows about this. When told, they shrugged, lol.
Only us core nuts are making big deals about this from my personal experience.
Dude's last comment was almost 10 days ago. Maybe he's seeing this for the first time thinking this is a joke. No need to be so intolerant imo.
I think the more casual buyers will be much more cool with this than people that have been strongly invested in consoles for a while. Tech products get refreshed much more often and they'll likely just shrug it off or be happy that there will possibly be a cheaper PS4 alongside the 4k.
GlamFM
Banned
Yep.
Same here. I work at a small shop, only about 4 other gamers but none have heard of it and wouldn't care either way. Of course some people will care but 99% of gamers won't care and will just assume it's the same as when PS3 came out with different versions.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
So because I think the PS4K is a big fuck you to current fans I'm somehow outraged enough to riot?
Get a grip.
GlamFM
Banned
You are missing the point entirely.